EPT[GSL March] Code A Semi Finals - Page 31
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Iamyournoob
Germany595 Posts
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Teael
United States724 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote: Build orders are usually luck. Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races. It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done. Well then don't base trade a terran? And honestly, mule or no mule, terran had that game. So stop harping on the mule... especially in terms of this game - it made no difference, terran was way ahead | ||
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DumEN
Sweden123 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:20 Beyonder wrote: What are the results up to now? OP isnt updated + Show Spoiler + Leenok vs Losira 0-2 + Show Spoiler + Alicia vs Supernova 0-2 | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:20 Beyonder wrote: What are the results up to now? OP isnt updated It's not exactly up to now since it's over already. Losira 2:0 Leenock Supernova 2:0 Alicia | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote: Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play. Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races. It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done. Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj! You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still. | ||
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TributeBoxer
United States163 Posts
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Maskedsatyr
Singapore1245 Posts
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HankScorpio
Canada66 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:22 Teael wrote: Well then don't base trade a terran? And honestly, mule or no mule, terran had that game. So stop harping on the mule... especially in terms of this game - it made no difference, terran was way ahead Easier said then done. I'm sure Alicia's intent there wasn't to base trade, but he could have pushed with those 6 or so stalkers he had, or he could have pushed with 2 stalkers and left 4 stalkers and 2 observers to guard his mineral lines... | ||
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Zeles
United States335 Posts
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worosei
Australia198 Posts
I wish Alicia defended his natural better | ||
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Weirdkid
Singapore2431 Posts
 even though most of us do say the second one. | ||
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worosei
Australia198 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:25 HankScorpio wrote: Easier said then done. I'm sure Alicia's intent there wasn't to base trade, but he could have pushed with those 6 or so stalkers he had, or he could have pushed with 2 stalkers and left 4 stalkers and 2 observers to guard his mineral lines... I dont think he could have left any stalkers behind - primarily as i think the vikings would have prevailed over the collossus if it werent for 1 or 2 stalkers remaining. | ||
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HankScorpio
Canada66 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:25 Kyuki wrote: Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj! You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still. The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran. As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game. Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent. | ||
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HankScorpio
Canada66 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:26 worosei wrote: i'd hestitate to say though that the Terran hidden expansion was much better than the Protoss hidden gold expansion (in game 1), by and large because chrono isnt as good as mule in the immediate short term, which allowed Supernova to re-form his army quicker for another push.... I wish Alicia defended his natural better Sssh. You better edit that post before the terran throngs on this board attack you for pointing out the strength of mules. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote: Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play. Both. Jinro was the inferior player for going thor rush in the first place. If you play a build that auto-loses to a common opening, it's a bad play/gamble. | ||
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Teael
United States724 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:30 HankScorpio wrote: The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran. As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game. Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent. That's because a blind DT play is a HUGE RISK Think about yesterday's game with hongun and MC for instance TWICE hongun went for a DT rush, and both times he lost to a 4gate, which hit him before his DT finished But that's totally his fault for playing so risky, or not scouting, and not luck EVERY BUILD has it's risk for instance massing roaches will see you getting owned by anything that flies going MMM against toss in the late game could potentially get you in a lot of trouble if he's getting his templar tech up gambling IRL has it's risks, and so will gambling in game | ||
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HankScorpio
Canada66 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:34 Teael wrote: That's because a blind DT play is a HUGE RISK Think about yesterday's game with hongun and MC for instance TWICE hongun went for a DT rush, and both times he lost to a 4gate, which hit him before his DT finished But that's totally his fault for playing so risky, or not scouting, and not luck EVERY BUILD has it's risk for instance massing roaches will see you getting owned by anything that flies going MMM against toss in the late game could potentially get you in a lot of trouble if he's getting his templar tech up gambling IRL has it's risks, and so will gambling in game Yep. Gambling is a risk. And risk is dependent on luck. Ergo my point. | ||
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danielsan
Romania399 Posts
On March 09 2011 19:30 HankScorpio wrote: The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran. As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game. Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent. it's blind DT that's a cheesy BO loss, not non-cloack banshee followed by a raven the "lucky BO". While getting DT against bio play is sometimes a good gamble as there is no infrastructure for a raven, still going DT after seeing the banshee, should be categorized under retard play. game 2 was lost to overconfidence. after failing that attack protoss had no chance to win even without mules, so i don't see where this is going | ||
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