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Iamyournoob
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany595 Posts
March 09 2011 10:21 GMT
#601
I have to say that after not having watched Code A for a while, I really enjoyed the commentary today. It was entertaining, DOA is a cool guy, I like his attitude and I somehow don't mind Kelly's accent anymore. I think both are doing fine and they kinda match. Looking forward to see more of them, I believe they will get better as time progresses.
Teael
Profile Joined February 2011
United States724 Posts
March 09 2011 10:22 GMT
#602
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build orders are usually luck.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.


Well then don't base trade a terran?

And honestly, mule or no mule, terran had that game.
So stop harping on the mule... especially in terms of this game - it made no difference, terran was way ahead
DumEN
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden123 Posts
March 09 2011 10:22 GMT
#603
On March 09 2011 19:20 Beyonder wrote:
What are the results up to now? OP isnt updated


+ Show Spoiler +
Leenok vs Losira 0-2

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Alicia vs Supernova 0-2
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
March 09 2011 10:23 GMT
#604
On March 09 2011 19:20 Beyonder wrote:
What are the results up to now? OP isnt updated


It's not exactly up to now since it's over already.
Losira 2:0 Leenock
Supernova 2:0 Alicia
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
Beyonder
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands15103 Posts
March 09 2011 10:24 GMT
#605
Ah I see. BO3 for the lose thanks guys
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Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
March 09 2011 10:24 GMT
#606
well 1 out of 2 correct Hopefully ALicia and HuK can get into code s regardless!!!
Live and Let Die!
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 10:26:13
March 09 2011 10:25 GMT
#607
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.

Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj!

You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still.
Mada Mada Dane
TributeBoxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States163 Posts
March 09 2011 10:25 GMT
#608
The most epic casting fail ever. Kelly with her deaf person accent talking nonsense about the battle while the banshee kills off the attackers economy. The casters couldn't imagine someone could come back with 10 barracks and a secret base.
"Violence and corruption, seldom strangers to the human scene, appear to be increasing today."
Maskedsatyr
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore1245 Posts
March 09 2011 10:25 GMT
#609
2-0 Losira, 2-0 SuperNova
"Don't believe in you who believes in me, don't believe in me who believes in you, believe in you...who believes in yourself!"
HankScorpio
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada66 Posts
March 09 2011 10:25 GMT
#610
On March 09 2011 19:22 Teael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build orders are usually luck.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.


Well then don't base trade a terran?

And honestly, mule or no mule, terran had that game.
So stop harping on the mule... especially in terms of this game - it made no difference, terran was way ahead


Easier said then done. I'm sure Alicia's intent there wasn't to base trade, but he could have pushed with those 6 or so stalkers he had, or he could have pushed with 2 stalkers and left 4 stalkers and 2 observers to guard his mineral lines...

Zeles
Profile Joined October 2010
United States335 Posts
March 09 2011 10:26 GMT
#611
I love a LR thread with no updates.
worosei
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia198 Posts
March 09 2011 10:26 GMT
#612
i'd hestitate to say though that the Terran hidden expansion was much better than the Protoss hidden gold expansion (in game 1), by and large because chrono isnt as good as mule in the immediate short term, which allowed Supernova to re-form his army quicker for another push....

I wish Alicia defended his natural better
Weirdkid
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Singapore2431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 10:28:19
March 09 2011 10:27 GMT
#613
Hey uhh Kelly, if you ever read this, Seoul is actually pronounced "Soul", not like "Siol" even though most of us do say the second one.
"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself." - Proverbs 26:4
worosei
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia198 Posts
March 09 2011 10:28 GMT
#614
On March 09 2011 19:25 HankScorpio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 19:22 Teael wrote:
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build orders are usually luck.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.


Well then don't base trade a terran?

And honestly, mule or no mule, terran had that game.
So stop harping on the mule... especially in terms of this game - it made no difference, terran was way ahead


Easier said then done. I'm sure Alicia's intent there wasn't to base trade, but he could have pushed with those 6 or so stalkers he had, or he could have pushed with 2 stalkers and left 4 stalkers and 2 observers to guard his mineral lines...



I dont think he could have left any stalkers behind - primarily as i think the vikings would have prevailed over the collossus if it werent for 1 or 2 stalkers remaining.
HankScorpio
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada66 Posts
March 09 2011 10:30 GMT
#615
On March 09 2011 19:25 Kyuki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.

Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj!

You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still.


The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran.

As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game.

Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent.
HankScorpio
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada66 Posts
March 09 2011 10:32 GMT
#616
On March 09 2011 19:26 worosei wrote:
i'd hestitate to say though that the Terran hidden expansion was much better than the Protoss hidden gold expansion (in game 1), by and large because chrono isnt as good as mule in the immediate short term, which allowed Supernova to re-form his army quicker for another push....

I wish Alicia defended his natural better



Sssh. You better edit that post before the terran throngs on this board attack you for pointing out the strength of mules.
Ribbon
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5278 Posts
March 09 2011 10:34 GMT
#617
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play.


Both. Jinro was the inferior player for going thor rush in the first place. If you play a build that auto-loses to a common opening, it's a bad play/gamble.
Teael
Profile Joined February 2011
United States724 Posts
March 09 2011 10:34 GMT
#618
On March 09 2011 19:30 HankScorpio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 19:25 Kyuki wrote:
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.

Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj!

You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still.


The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran.

As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game.

Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent.


That's because a blind DT play is a HUGE RISK

Think about yesterday's game with hongun and MC for instance
TWICE hongun went for a DT rush, and both times he lost to a 4gate, which hit him before his DT finished

But that's totally his fault for playing so risky, or not scouting, and not luck

EVERY BUILD has it's risk
for instance massing roaches will see you getting owned by anything that flies
going MMM against toss in the late game could potentially get you in a lot of trouble if he's getting his templar tech up


gambling IRL has it's risks, and so will gambling in game
HankScorpio
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada66 Posts
March 09 2011 10:38 GMT
#619
On March 09 2011 19:34 Teael wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 19:30 HankScorpio wrote:
On March 09 2011 19:25 Kyuki wrote:
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.

Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj!

You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still.


The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran.

As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game.

Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent.


That's because a blind DT play is a HUGE RISK

Think about yesterday's game with hongun and MC for instance
TWICE hongun went for a DT rush, and both times he lost to a 4gate, which hit him before his DT finished

But that's totally his fault for playing so risky, or not scouting, and not luck

EVERY BUILD has it's risk
for instance massing roaches will see you getting owned by anything that flies
going MMM against toss in the late game could potentially get you in a lot of trouble if he's getting his templar tech up


gambling IRL has it's risks, and so will gambling in game


Yep.

Gambling is a risk. And risk is dependent on luck. Ergo my point.
danielsan
Profile Joined December 2010
Romania399 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-09 10:43:32
March 09 2011 10:40 GMT
#620
On March 09 2011 19:30 HankScorpio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2011 19:25 Kyuki wrote:
On March 09 2011 19:18 HankScorpio wrote:
Build order wins are usually luck. Last GSL, MVP demolished MC because he went for DT's. Does that suggest that MVP is far superior, or that luck was simply in play.

Mules winning the game in a worker tradeoff isn't a racial imbalance, it's simply a perk that terran has, which allows them to recover from base trade/near base trade far better than the other two races.

It's merely something that's ignored when unit comparisons are done.

Seriously go away... You're trolling hard. You first apply bullshit to game2 that just was not true, and then you take that bullshit and apply your universal knowledge of mules and how that won terran the game. Gj!

You don't seem to understand the concept of scouting and how that affects a players choice of buildorder. The choice itself if it is completly blind, could be called luck, but that's pretty much NEVER the case. Players make wrong decisions though, and we see it frequently still.


The Terran won because of that 3rd base. If he didn't have that 3rd base he would have won because of mules after the worker trade. It's not an imbalance, it's just something that happens with terran.

As far as it Never being the case...Is this your first time watching GSL? Genius lost a couple of seasons ago because he went blind DT vs blind Banshee. Build order loss. I already pointed out the MVP vs MC game.

Blind build orders happen ALL THE Time, and merely failing to notice it does not make you right or even coherent.


it's blind DT that's a cheesy BO loss, not non-cloack banshee followed by a raven the "lucky BO".

While getting DT against bio play is sometimes a good gamble as there is no infrastructure for a raven, still going DT after seeing the banshee, should be categorized under retard play.


game 2 was lost to overconfidence. after failing that attack protoss had no chance to win even without mules, so i don't see where this is going
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