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meowmasta
Profile Joined September 2010
146 Posts
January 19 2011 11:38 GMT
#4221
MKP's style is that he really has no style. He adjusts to whatever situation is given to him. If you think his base trade playstyle will continue to exist for the next couple of months, I'd say think again. He will only continue to refine his play and outthink you
Torrentsven
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden51 Posts
January 19 2011 11:38 GMT
#4222
On January 19 2011 20:34 noD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:30 Vimsey wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:28 noD wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote:
Code A Ro4:

TTTT

Code S Ro4:

TTTZ

Fuck everything.


like it wasnt tttz on season 1 and 2 ....

Sorry I thought we were still with protoss is OP I didnt get the memo.


When will people stop crying and just enjoy the games.


Jinro and MVP are OP
races are like chess pieces .... People need to know how to move them ...


yea exactly, but would you rather want to use a peon or a queen?
F0Ll0w the line, follow the redline to the sun
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
January 19 2011 11:38 GMT
#4223
On January 19 2011 20:37 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:32 ondik wrote:
NaDa played SO bad that it really made me rage just throwing the games away without any motivation to advance to semis (or so it seemed). Any decent player (not saying he's not decent but just didn't care or i don't know) would have won in his position in game 1 and most definitely in game 3. I really don't think MKP's style has any potential in future when players learn to counter it properly as NaDa was able to get in commanding lead in games 1 and 3 fairly easily and I believe Jinro has good chance to advance to finals.

nada is rich hard to get motivated. Does he even live in ogs house 24/7? I doubt it.


I don't think he lives there at all.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
January 19 2011 11:38 GMT
#4224
On January 19 2011 20:38 LittLeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:31 Holgerius wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:30 Garnet wrote:
If two Terran get into the finals, maybe we'll finally have a Terran champion.

Nah, they'll both find a way to fail with getting the gold.

Constant draws ends up with the referees having to cancel the game. No one is declaired a winner.

Something like that, ya. :D
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4943 Posts
January 19 2011 11:38 GMT
#4225
On January 19 2011 20:29 TaKemE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote:
Code A Ro4:

TTTT

Code S Ro4:

TTTZ

Fuck everything.


Dont forget IEM TTTTTTTTTTPP


Don't forget top 8 in Gainward tourney TTTTTTTZ
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
qetou
Profile Joined January 2011
39 Posts
January 19 2011 11:39 GMT
#4226
On January 19 2011 20:37 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:32 ondik wrote:
NaDa played SO bad that it really made me rage just throwing the games away without any motivation to advance to semis (or so it seemed). Any decent player (not saying he's not decent but just didn't care or i don't know) would have won in his position in game 1 and most definitely in game 3. I really don't think MKP's style has any potential in future when players learn to counter it properly as NaDa was able to get in commanding lead in games 1 and 3 fairly easily and I believe Jinro has good chance to advance to finals.

nada is rich hard to get motivated. Does he even live in ogs house 24/7? I doubt it.

I dont think he is that rich that he doesnt need 47k or whatever is the prize for 1st place.
vnlegend
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States1389 Posts
January 19 2011 11:40 GMT
#4227
Damn there's a lot of complaining about sieging. The fact is MK built a ton of medivacs so he can stim and move around at will. He'll engage, kill Nada's bio and retreat/load up in medivacs as soon as the tanks begin to siege. MK only engages while Nada's army is moving around so Nada never had a chance to use siege.
Marines > everything
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
January 19 2011 11:40 GMT
#4228
On January 19 2011 20:37 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:35 Roggay wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:32 ondik wrote:
NaDa played SO bad that it really made me rage just throwing the games away without any motivation to advance to semis (or so it seemed). Any decent player (not saying he's not decent but just didn't care or i don't know) would have won in his position in game 1 and most definitely in game 3. I really don't think MKP's style has any potential in future when players learn to counter it properly as NaDa was able to get in commanding lead in games 1 and 3 fairly easily and I believe Jinro has good chance to advance to finals.


NaDa admitted that he barely trains, if think he just didnt have enough experience of those situations and didnt played them well.

But yea I don't think MKP's style is really good, definitly have some huge weaknesses.

im pretty sure with MKP's style, he is now the #1 base trader in tvt in the world ez
im positive he faces a vastly superior tank/marine army every single game and just side steps it and forces a base trade as the only remaining tactic

this shit is seriously ridiculous and needs to stop. eventually people are going to catch on to this


How do you catch on to it? Tanks are slow, it'd take them forever to get back to defend the main, and if you unsiege Foxer can stim and kill your tanks.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 19 2011 11:40 GMT
#4229
On January 19 2011 20:32 Senx wrote:
Yeah Jinro can't go into the MKP series thinking it'll be a standard macro game, prepare for base trades and have a mobile army to counter his. If jinro does use siege tanks, hes gotta use them extremely carefully or MKP will just straight up stomp him.

Its gonna be hard, his style is very hard to beat, You either have to play the same style and do it better or play a flawless siege tank/marine comp which is alot less forgiving than pure bio.

Bolded for the truth. Siedge takes some time and then they are defenceless. Nada didnt make a mistake in game 3 by going without siedging. He was in no position for immoblive siedge push. He knew that if he had done it MK would just run by him or into him masacring his tanks.
Huckleuro
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom294 Posts
January 19 2011 11:41 GMT
#4230
People asking for NaDa/Terrans to try and defend, slow expand against this type of Marineking play are looking at it wrong.

Terran plays slow/ defensive and Marineking will take more bases, a lot quicker. He will make overwhelming amounts of units and/ or make MORe TANKS than the defensive, immobile terran.

Basically, Marineking's style is more legit than people give it credit for.

However, a strong 2 base push with some bunkers and a few tanks back home i think would kill Marineking before he gets too big.
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
January 19 2011 11:41 GMT
#4231
On January 19 2011 20:36 Ysellian wrote:
So far the best way to counter MKP has been shown to be to do the exact same style only superior.

Good luck with that.
High five :---)
bahl sofs tiil
Profile Joined December 2010
United States233 Posts
January 19 2011 11:42 GMT
#4232
The question I really want answered that Artosis didn't ask is "what kind of challenges does MarineKing face in his regular life due to his giant, giant balls?"
And isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is one trick: rational thinking; but, when you're good and crazy, ooohoohoohoohoooo, the sky is the limit!
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
January 19 2011 11:42 GMT
#4233
On January 19 2011 20:39 qetou wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:37 tdt wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:32 ondik wrote:
NaDa played SO bad that it really made me rage just throwing the games away without any motivation to advance to semis (or so it seemed). Any decent player (not saying he's not decent but just didn't care or i don't know) would have won in his position in game 1 and most definitely in game 3. I really don't think MKP's style has any potential in future when players learn to counter it properly as NaDa was able to get in commanding lead in games 1 and 3 fairly easily and I believe Jinro has good chance to advance to finals.

nada is rich hard to get motivated. Does he even live in ogs house 24/7? I doubt it.

I dont think he is that rich that he doesnt need 47k or whatever is the prize for 1st place.

didnt nada just finish up a 600k contract from pantech/wemade?
ZeNd0kUn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States331 Posts
January 19 2011 11:42 GMT
#4234
On January 19 2011 20:38 meowmasta wrote:
MKP's style is that he really has no style. He adjusts to whatever situation is given to him. If you think his base trade playstyle will continue to exist for the next couple of months, I'd say think again. He will only continue to refine his play and outthink you
People underrate MKP so so much. The dude is the most innovative and creative player I've seen so far. He fricking nuked a hatchery 3 times in his first game against a zerg on LT and he's playing around with Battlecruisers in his practice. The dude's got some serious strategies but sticks to what's working for him and is safest and most solid. And he will kill you with mere marines if he can ... if he can't he's still not at a loss like a one-trick-pony would be.
"Do not judge by appearances, but judge with right judgment." - Jesus
noD
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
2230 Posts
January 19 2011 11:43 GMT
#4235
On January 19 2011 20:38 Torrentsven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:34 noD wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:30 Vimsey wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:28 noD wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote:
Code A Ro4:

TTTT

Code S Ro4:

TTTZ

Fuck everything.


like it wasnt tttz on season 1 and 2 ....

Sorry I thought we were still with protoss is OP I didnt get the memo.


When will people stop crying and just enjoy the games.


Jinro and MVP are OP
races are like chess pieces .... People need to know how to move them ...


yea exactly, but would you rather want to use a peon or a queen?


I would rather know how to use the whole pieces.
Tho I dont think T = 16 queens and Z = 16 peons ... =X
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 19 2011 11:43 GMT
#4236
On January 19 2011 20:41 McDonalds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:36 Ysellian wrote:
So far the best way to counter MKP has been shown to be to do the exact same style only superior.

Good luck with that.


Hey Clide beat exactly like that remember? I'm sure MVP is superior to it as well.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
January 19 2011 11:43 GMT
#4237
Couple of things that would've helped Nada against MKP:

Vikings (completely wipe out MKP's buildings during the trade).

Planetary Fortress (good vs. marines).

Using the gold as your new base instead of your opponent's natural.

If Jinro is as good as I think he is, I believe he will learn from Nada's mistakes and be able to pull out wins in the same situations.
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
January 19 2011 11:43 GMT
#4238
On January 19 2011 20:33 Vimsey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:31 TaKemE wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:30 Vimsey wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:28 noD wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:27 branflakes14 wrote:
Code A Ro4:

TTTT

Code S Ro4:

TTTZ

Fuck everything.


like it wasnt tttz on season 1 and 2 ....

Sorry I thought we were still with protoss is OP I didnt get the memo.


When will people stop crying and just enjoy the games.


So are you saying ppl cant complain about so many terrans makeing it each time and still enjoy the game?....

I am saying i cant keep up with the crying, a few days ago it was that protoss was IMBA,

Given that terran hasnt won a GSL yet its a bit ripe.

I play protoss, just getting sick of all the crying its like an MMO forum at times.


If anyone made the argument that protoss was IMBA because they made their first and only GSL semifinal they were idiots. Blizzard didn't just buff toss because they were overpowered.

With terran on the other hand the argument is legit. In every GSL more than 1/3 of qualifiers have been terran. In every round of every GSL more than 1/3 of players have been terran. They have made every final. The total GSL semifinalists over the first 4 seasons have been 15 terran, 3 zerg, 2 protoss. Thats ridiculous.
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
January 19 2011 11:43 GMT
#4239
On January 19 2011 20:42 billyX333 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2011 20:39 qetou wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:37 tdt wrote:
On January 19 2011 20:32 ondik wrote:
NaDa played SO bad that it really made me rage just throwing the games away without any motivation to advance to semis (or so it seemed). Any decent player (not saying he's not decent but just didn't care or i don't know) would have won in his position in game 1 and most definitely in game 3. I really don't think MKP's style has any potential in future when players learn to counter it properly as NaDa was able to get in commanding lead in games 1 and 3 fairly easily and I believe Jinro has good chance to advance to finals.

nada is rich hard to get motivated. Does he even live in ogs house 24/7? I doubt it.

I dont think he is that rich that he doesnt need 47k or whatever is the prize for 1st place.

didnt nada just finish up a 600k contract from pantech/wemade?

If these guys are smart then they're managing their money well because they know they can't do this for very long.
High five :---)
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
January 19 2011 11:43 GMT
#4240
Just went back and watched Jinro vs MKP and I think Jinro's chances are quite good.
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