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znowstorm
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia281 Posts
January 16 2011 06:32 GMT
#3881
Great work Jinro!! Delaying the third for so long wasnt really talked about on GOM but first killing the probe with the hellion and then the banshee was stellar.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
January 16 2011 06:59 GMT
#3882
On January 16 2011 13:15 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 09:18 Trentelshark wrote:
On January 16 2011 07:11 Dionyseus wrote:
MC getting eliminated could be very bad for SC2's chances in Korea.

I wouldn't be so sure . The studio errupted with each of Jinro's games (vs MC) when with a large number of other ones it's just another day in SC2 (not to mention excitement for Nada games, etc that day as well). SC2 is growing and with the number of all-ins in previous seasons, this is quite frankly the best one yet the all-ins we have seen aside. I tried to go to sleep last night, I really did but I was absolutely glued to the stream from midnight (EST) to 4am (following Jinro's interview) whereas with previous seasons I would stay up, watch a few games, get antsy and go to sleep.

This is the first season I have re-watched VODs more than twice. I don't think MC getting eliminated is going to hurt it at all. In fact, if the same player kept winning over and over, it would get dull, especially with most of MC's games being a face smashing push that while impressive ends the games relatively quickly. What it NEEDS is more macro based, longer games (Jinro, Idra, Nada, etc) to maintain/build interest. Like I said, you could see the excitement in the studio following both of the Jinro/MC games....it's been a while since there was that much energy in that studio .


Actually, having the same player win over and over is what leads to a high number of viewers. Think about it, what we really want to see is a bonjwa. To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement.

People will really go out of their way to contradict other peoples on the internet.
Didn't you figured you were perhaps wrong when you typed your last sentence ?
"To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement."
So being sure of the results beforehand makes for excitement ? No. Rivalry makes for excitement. Having one guy killing everyone for months makes for intense boredom and droping viewers.
2 months ago, everyone was praying that flash lose because he made everything boring.
how2TL
Profile Joined August 2010
1197 Posts
January 16 2011 07:02 GMT
#3883
If Idra wins, SC2 popularity will explode in Korea as millions of citizens take up arms against the invading Gracken.

This must happen.
nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
January 16 2011 08:21 GMT
#3884
Does anyone have a link to Jinro's interview? Gomcam isnt working for me :o
Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
January 16 2011 08:35 GMT
#3885
On January 16 2011 15:59 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 13:15 rysecake wrote:
On January 16 2011 09:18 Trentelshark wrote:
On January 16 2011 07:11 Dionyseus wrote:
MC getting eliminated could be very bad for SC2's chances in Korea.

I wouldn't be so sure . The studio errupted with each of Jinro's games (vs MC) when with a large number of other ones it's just another day in SC2 (not to mention excitement for Nada games, etc that day as well). SC2 is growing and with the number of all-ins in previous seasons, this is quite frankly the best one yet the all-ins we have seen aside. I tried to go to sleep last night, I really did but I was absolutely glued to the stream from midnight (EST) to 4am (following Jinro's interview) whereas with previous seasons I would stay up, watch a few games, get antsy and go to sleep.

This is the first season I have re-watched VODs more than twice. I don't think MC getting eliminated is going to hurt it at all. In fact, if the same player kept winning over and over, it would get dull, especially with most of MC's games being a face smashing push that while impressive ends the games relatively quickly. What it NEEDS is more macro based, longer games (Jinro, Idra, Nada, etc) to maintain/build interest. Like I said, you could see the excitement in the studio following both of the Jinro/MC games....it's been a while since there was that much energy in that studio .


Actually, having the same player win over and over is what leads to a high number of viewers. Think about it, what we really want to see is a bonjwa. To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement.

People will really go out of their way to contradict other peoples on the internet.
Didn't you figured you were perhaps wrong when you typed your last sentence ?
"To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement."
So being sure of the results beforehand makes for excitement ? No. Rivalry makes for excitement. Having one guy killing everyone for months makes for intense boredom and droping viewers.
2 months ago, everyone was praying that flash lose because he made everything boring.


Yeah, everyone thinks it's boring when it's happening. They hate that the player always wins yet they start tuning in every single time to see if someone beats them. Then, when that player's reign is finally over, everybody always ends up thinking back to how good that player was and how amazing it was to see them dominate the competition.

It's a fact that while dynasties are generally hated in sports while they're at the top, they're talked about because they make history. A little parity is a good thing, but a sport or esport being a crapshoot where a different person wins each match or tournament makes for far less entertaining results over time.
This space for rent.
Gonzodamus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States273 Posts
January 16 2011 08:41 GMT
#3886
Finally caught up with the GSL. All I have to say is Go Jinro!

Okay, I'll say more.

When he was matched up against MC the first time, my friends and I were devastated. Based on their history, I thought it would be over right there.

When he was matched against MC the second time, I was worried that the first win would be a one time thing.

Nope. Turns out Jinro's just that damn good. Can't wait to see Jinro vs. Idra. I know who my money's on. Figuratively anyway. It's on Jinro.
Sniffy
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia290 Posts
January 16 2011 08:45 GMT
#3887
On January 16 2011 13:15 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 09:18 Trentelshark wrote:
On January 16 2011 07:11 Dionyseus wrote:
MC getting eliminated could be very bad for SC2's chances in Korea.

I wouldn't be so sure . The studio errupted with each of Jinro's games (vs MC) when with a large number of other ones it's just another day in SC2 (not to mention excitement for Nada games, etc that day as well). SC2 is growing and with the number of all-ins in previous seasons, this is quite frankly the best one yet the all-ins we have seen aside. I tried to go to sleep last night, I really did but I was absolutely glued to the stream from midnight (EST) to 4am (following Jinro's interview) whereas with previous seasons I would stay up, watch a few games, get antsy and go to sleep.

This is the first season I have re-watched VODs more than twice. I don't think MC getting eliminated is going to hurt it at all. In fact, if the same player kept winning over and over, it would get dull, especially with most of MC's games being a face smashing push that while impressive ends the games relatively quickly. What it NEEDS is more macro based, longer games (Jinro, Idra, Nada, etc) to maintain/build interest. Like I said, you could see the excitement in the studio following both of the Jinro/MC games....it's been a while since there was that much energy in that studio .


Actually, having the same player win over and over is what leads to a high number of viewers. Think about it, what we really want to see is a bonjwa. To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement.


What would lead to a high number of viewers is people actually playing skillfully rather than pulling their workers and crossing their fingers.

Why players like Rainbow resort to trash play like that is beyond me. I'm glad he got beaten, and I hope everyone who tries crap like that gets stomped on. The sooner it dies the sooner we can see more games like the ones Jinro and Idra play regularly.
Somnolence
Profile Joined August 2010
Lithuania127 Posts
January 16 2011 10:11 GMT
#3888
On January 16 2011 17:45 Sniffy wrote:
Why players like Rainbow resort to trash play like that is beyond me. I'm glad he got beaten, and I hope everyone who tries crap like that gets stomped on. The sooner it dies the sooner we can see more games like the ones Jinro and Idra play regularly.


Rainbow was beyond disappointing. His TvP strat that he did not want to revea vs NEXGenius was... hidden expo.
JakeBurton
Profile Joined October 2010
74 Posts
January 16 2011 10:33 GMT
#3889
On January 16 2011 19:11 Somnolence wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 17:45 Sniffy wrote:
Why players like Rainbow resort to trash play like that is beyond me. I'm glad he got beaten, and I hope everyone who tries crap like that gets stomped on. The sooner it dies the sooner we can see more games like the ones Jinro and Idra play regularly.


Rainbow was beyond disappointing. His TvP strat that he did not want to revea vs NEXGenius was... hidden expo.


To be honest, when I saw it go down I was really impressed. I definitely thought that it was a pretty ballsy solution to grab a lead in a game against a better player without resorting to retarded bunker rushing. + Show Spoiler +
Rainbow did get killed but to be fair that heavy sentry push by MC kills an awful lot of great terrans.
AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
January 16 2011 10:55 GMT
#3890
On January 16 2011 03:49 theherder2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 00:05 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On January 15 2011 23:58 Fa1nT wrote:
On January 15 2011 23:09 ParasitJonte wrote:
MC didn't use force fields in the first game versus Jinro when he attacked to block scvs from repairing the bunker. How can he make such a mistake when you know he is the fucking master of doing that (see game versus rainbow). Makes no sense.

Edit: I'm crying protoss tears but singing Swedish songs. Just so you know .


Any comments on this Jinro?

This one move almost cost you the game, and he forum exploded afterwards, but most people shrugged it off as "oh he just messed up this one time...." when force fielding is probably the most important freaking thing a protoss can do when attacking

Dunno, mistake or didnt want to block his zealots from attacking the bunker/tanks.


Exactly! To everyone comparing MC's first and second game. The first composition was sentry, STALKER against MM in bunkers, the FFs are to keep the units from running away as well as prevent repairing.

In Jinro's game, MC had a sentry ZEALOT composition vs only one bunker and TANKS. If he FF the bunker then the tanks would eat up the zealots like nothing. There was also a turret on the high ground to prevent more lifting by the phoenixes, their high dps with low phoenix health would destroy the air force. That is why he spent more energy on guardian shield instead, to reduce the splash damage of the tanks which would do more damage to his units than just a bunker. It was NOT a mistake, it was his strategy and thought process which failed.


Guardian Shield is useless against splash damage. It does no reduction as it is not treated as a ranged attack. In fact against mech it pretty much has no effect what-so-ever. I think he could have used FF to block the bunker from being repaired without blocking the path to the siege tanks.

I think MC just did not execute his attack as well as he could have.
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
January 16 2011 11:13 GMT
#3891
On January 16 2011 17:35 Vehemus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2011 15:59 MrCon wrote:
On January 16 2011 13:15 rysecake wrote:
On January 16 2011 09:18 Trentelshark wrote:
On January 16 2011 07:11 Dionyseus wrote:
MC getting eliminated could be very bad for SC2's chances in Korea.

I wouldn't be so sure . The studio errupted with each of Jinro's games (vs MC) when with a large number of other ones it's just another day in SC2 (not to mention excitement for Nada games, etc that day as well). SC2 is growing and with the number of all-ins in previous seasons, this is quite frankly the best one yet the all-ins we have seen aside. I tried to go to sleep last night, I really did but I was absolutely glued to the stream from midnight (EST) to 4am (following Jinro's interview) whereas with previous seasons I would stay up, watch a few games, get antsy and go to sleep.

This is the first season I have re-watched VODs more than twice. I don't think MC getting eliminated is going to hurt it at all. In fact, if the same player kept winning over and over, it would get dull, especially with most of MC's games being a face smashing push that while impressive ends the games relatively quickly. What it NEEDS is more macro based, longer games (Jinro, Idra, Nada, etc) to maintain/build interest. Like I said, you could see the excitement in the studio following both of the Jinro/MC games....it's been a while since there was that much energy in that studio .


Actually, having the same player win over and over is what leads to a high number of viewers. Think about it, what we really want to see is a bonjwa. To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement.

People will really go out of their way to contradict other peoples on the internet.
Didn't you figured you were perhaps wrong when you typed your last sentence ?
"To have someone like Flash/Jaedong completely destroy everybody else. Makes for excitement."
So being sure of the results beforehand makes for excitement ? No. Rivalry makes for excitement. Having one guy killing everyone for months makes for intense boredom and droping viewers.
2 months ago, everyone was praying that flash lose because he made everything boring.


Yeah, everyone thinks it's boring when it's happening. They hate that the player always wins yet they start tuning in every single time to see if someone beats them. Then, when that player's reign is finally over, everybody always ends up thinking back to how good that player was and how amazing it was to see them dominate the competition.

It's a fact that while dynasties are generally hated in sports while they're at the top, they're talked about because they make history. A little parity is a good thing, but a sport or esport being a crapshoot where a different person wins each match or tournament makes for far less entertaining results over time.

Different views, different opinions. Besides you are comparing two extremes. Having one player dominate the scene is boring and having a ton of them win all the time is boring as well, but having a mix of 3 or 4 players who consistently prove themselves above the rest is what makes for an exciting competition.

At the very least have one great player for every race to increase rivalry between the races and players as well. Add in a dark horse and you have yourself a real competition.
Eggcake
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-16 11:39:33
January 16 2011 11:30 GMT
#3892
ZOMG I just saw the Vods at 5:00 in the morning, after I came home.

That was really amazing. I never expected that. I hope Jinro gets even further, that was so impressive - every single game!


And competition is good. I'm swiss, so obviously I'm a big fan of Federer. Having him dominate the scene was really nice, he played just so awesome. But having competition with Nadal and other very good players is the best thing that happened.

And seriously: I don't want to see players get roflstomped. Of course it's fun to watch, but it's over quickly and it gets boring. I rather see a 5-set match with tie breaks than a 3 set match with 6-1 and 6-0 wins.
dart06
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3 Posts
January 16 2011 11:45 GMT
#3893
Just wanted to post in here to say congrats to Jinro. He played amazing against MC. I'm glad I got to see it live. There weren't many non-koreans there, so I had to step it up. Thanks for the picture Jinro!
[image loading]
sammler
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom381 Posts
January 16 2011 12:06 GMT
#3894
Just about to watch the VODS. It has 110,000 views already. Fuck me ESPORTS!
"I wish I was good enough to be called bad by IdrA." - Moa
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
January 16 2011 12:53 GMT
#3895
Has Jinro ever played against BratOK and Morrow's terran? How did he do against them?
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
January 16 2011 13:17 GMT
#3896
On January 16 2011 20:45 dart06 wrote:
Just wanted to post in here to say congrats to Jinro. He played amazing against MC. I'm glad I got to see it live. There weren't many non-koreans there, so I had to step it up. Thanks for the picture Jinro!
[image loading]


Glad to see the directions worked! And if that was after the fact, I think you ended up in the stream for a few seconds.
fryy
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia103 Posts
January 16 2011 13:19 GMT
#3897
Been so busy this weekend only just got to watch the vods.

SO AWESOME JINRO!!! Beating MC 2-0 after what he did to you last season... wow. What a turn-around. Congrats!! Really enjoyable games.





dart06
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3 Posts
January 16 2011 13:22 GMT
#3898
On January 16 2011 22:17 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Glad to see the directions worked! And if that was after the fact, I think you ended up in the stream for a few seconds.

Yeah they did.

I was on the stream a few times. Well, in the backround anyway. Huk was there too.
Dakmaniac
Profile Joined November 2010
212 Posts
January 16 2011 22:35 GMT
#3899
especially jinros banshee play was awesome ! i was really impressed by it

overall a damn good performance !!!
wisdom is earned not given !!!
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 16 2011 22:42 GMT
#3900
On January 16 2011 20:45 dart06 wrote:
Just wanted to post in here to say congrats to Jinro. He played amazing against MC. I'm glad I got to see it live. There weren't many non-koreans there, so I had to step it up. Thanks for the picture Jinro!
[image loading]

Man you could have at least smiled when standing next to arguably the best foreigner at the moment (don't rage - i said arguably) .. Awesome pic - so amazing you got to meet him hehe

Go go Jinro Ro8 hwaiting!!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
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