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On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.
Cool logic. So the Zerg is free to overdrone, cos if the opponent does aggressive play, he's lame/etc/can't win in a macro game.
Anyway. Songname? ^____^
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Why are you guys whining about
Meta close position, white-ra 4 gate is probably the best decision
Blistering Sand is the only map Zerg can go aggressive which is why he 5 gate before morrow econ kicks in and pump those roaches
and idk why white-ra should play what morrow is most comfortable at
I know it's not the most interesting game but white-ra is playing smart and getting the most of all advantage he can get
And those whose saying White-ra can't macro, its all about map and spawn location
His match against Machine clearly show his macro
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On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?
4 and 5 gate every game FTW.
You know playing to win by abusing your race to the fullest doesnt mean you are a bad player, but rather the opposite. Ra is a great player.
But yeah these games once again reinforce the impression that PvZ is heavily P favored, especially on certain spawn positions. There is no zerg in europe that is able to beat the top protoss somewhat consistently.
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Morrows control is damn impressive. Just wish he wasnt so greedy when it comes to the drones. He needs a couple of more units or some spines to defend the 4-5 gates of WhiteRa
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Why are people complaining about Whtie-Ra's 4/5-gate pressure builds? They're not even all-in as seen in Game 2. He can easily transition out of them if he feels that he needs to. They're good, solid builds. IMO it's better than watching the nonstop cannon proxies in GSL.
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well it's a bit lame watching same thing happening again.
but fair is fair, White-ra executed. Morrow went too greedy.
This is not ladder folks, a good sum is on the line.
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On January 17 2011 09:26 Eggcake wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:25 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
I can definitely understand why White-Ra wants to play in a way that he known will win, but that doesn't make it any more boring to watch. Morrow is the only excitement in these matches with some great defense and he tries so damn hard to hang on. I don't want to see a Protoss that just goes "Well my 1-base mega ball of units can beat you, so that's all I'm gonna do." That game on Shakuras was the same thing, only Morrow managed to come back after the first attack and White-Ra seemed to fall to pieces. Because he prepared accordingly. He had 4 or even 5 spine crawlers up. He didn't have a single one on Blistering Sands.
that's because they are useless on blistering...
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On January 17 2011 09:24 Nizaris wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?
4 and 5 gate every game FTW. maybe because this will be his 3rd tournament win today.
what second? homestory cup and?
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On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.
If Whitera can't beat Morrow in a macro game why would he play a macro game? This thinking makes no sense. You should either be disappointed that Morrow is uncapable of defending 4/5gate or disappointed that Blizzard made 4/5gate too hard to beat. Being disappointed at Whitera for doing the best move to win the game is not really an option...
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On January 17 2011 09:28 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:26 Eggcake wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
I can definitely understand why White-Ra wants to play in a way that he known will win, but that doesn't make it any more boring to watch. Morrow is the only excitement in these matches with some great defense and he tries so damn hard to hang on. I don't want to see a Protoss that just goes "Well my 1-base mega ball of units can beat you, so that's all I'm gonna do." That game on Shakuras was the same thing, only Morrow managed to come back after the first attack and White-Ra seemed to fall to pieces. Because he prepared accordingly. He had 4 or even 5 spine crawlers up. He didn't have a single one on Blistering Sands. that's because they are useless on blistering...
Well, MorroW picked it...
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On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?
4 and 5 gate every game FTW.
Because he is not a one-trick pony and breaks out plenty of different builds? Do people have really short memories or something?
Sue him for using the best build available against Morrow's macro in a large cash tournament...
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Stop fucking whining about White-Ra's play already. No one cares if you don't find his wins entertaining. Hate the game, not the player.
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Thank goodness it's not close positions.
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On January 17 2011 09:28 ParasitJonte wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:26 Eggcake wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
I can definitely understand why White-Ra wants to play in a way that he known will win, but that doesn't make it any more boring to watch. Morrow is the only excitement in these matches with some great defense and he tries so damn hard to hang on. I don't want to see a Protoss that just goes "Well my 1-base mega ball of units can beat you, so that's all I'm gonna do." That game on Shakuras was the same thing, only Morrow managed to come back after the first attack and White-Ra seemed to fall to pieces. Because he prepared accordingly. He had 4 or even 5 spine crawlers up. He didn't have a single one on Blistering Sands. that's because they are useless on blistering...
What I wanted to say: he didn't prepare at all, on Shakuras he did.
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On January 17 2011 09:27 Azarkon wrote:
Why are people complaining about Whtie-Ra's 4/5-gate pressure builds? They're not even all-in as seen in Game 2. He can easily transition out of them if he feels that he needs to. They're good, solid builds. IMO it's better than watching the nonstop cannon proxies in GSL.
I'd rather watch cannon contain into nexus expand because at least it's 2 basing.
Just watching 4 gate is so boring and lame. I know it's for money but it's not entertaining.
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On January 17 2011 09:24 Yusername wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. Only because of MorroW's godly defense. Against a normal Zerg this would be boring.
4 gating should not work in all games, simply because morrow should be able to pull something off by now. If you've looked closely, White-Ra seems to be making non all in 4 gates, in the sense that each time he's been repelled he's immediately teched and expanded, after crippling economy. If morrow played somewhat differently he could make white-ra go for a quicker expo.
Basically, he needs to change his game plan, Ra is only playing according to what he sees in morrow.
Not saying that close position metalopolis doesn't suck for ZvP though.
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On January 17 2011 09:22 cangiz wrote:
if you pick blistering sands, you need to be prepared to defend a 4/5 gate.
Yep, on BS the attacker has the advantage, which sucks for the Zerg when facing a 4/5 gate. On the other hand, if P goes for a macro build, Zerg can just as unstoppable due to the back rocks.
Morrow was sort of unlucky on metal because of the close positions, though.
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On January 17 2011 09:26 Gescom wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. And by Morrow being down 3-1, he's saying, I can't defend a 1-base push....
Well, the 5rax reapers were nerfed, and this probably will be patched aswell, the game is still young, so don't expect perfect balance just yet. I understand and respect Ra's decision, he plays to win and does it perfectly, and he should play to win.
This is Blizzard's problem, Ra and other pros should do what they can to win, just like Morrow did at Cologne.
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oh we might see a +1 zealot warprism build?
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