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RaNgeD
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States733 Posts
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#541
On January 17 2011 09:20 FrostShadow wrote:
If I wanted to watch a protoss 1 base cheese, get outplayed and still win,

I would watch my own replays.

this, lol
Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance. 1 Corinthians 13:7
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 00:23:49
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#542
I kinda liked White-Ra before now, no longer do. 4 or 5 gating every single game?

Here i thought he was supposed to be a high level protoss.

Good thing Morrow is entertaining or I'd just leave, loving his defences.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#543
Btw to all the Zergs out there, on Blistering you always keep your army at your natural. If he moves into your main instead of nat you can bring it back in time perfectly fine and probably even get a nice arc. Don't risk getting FF'd off your nat.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
QuakerOats
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1024 Posts
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#544
On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?

4 and 5 gate every game FTW.


If you know your opponent does not know how to counter 4/5gate wouldn't you do it too?
Archvil3
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark989 Posts
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#545
4 gate yeah - sadly it's the best tac.

It's not that White-ra cant pull off anything better. That's just how the game is currently. Why use inferior tactics when you can win 1200 bucks ?
Let thy speech be better than silence, or be silent.
Eggcake
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland722 Posts
January 17 2011 00:23 GMT
#546
On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?

4 and 5 gate every game FTW.


Because he wins.
Kuzmorgo
Profile Joined May 2009
Hungary1058 Posts
January 17 2011 00:24 GMT
#547
Morrow builds a ton of drones, and tries to get away without enough defence. White-Ra would actually be dumb if he didn't capitalize on that...
"No, whine not! Play, or play not! There is no whine."
Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3397 Posts
January 17 2011 00:24 GMT
#548
On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?

4 and 5 gate every game FTW.

Yes, because these few represent his ten year long sc career.
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
January 17 2011 00:24 GMT
#549
On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?

4 and 5 gate every game FTW.

maybe because this will be his 3rd tournament win today.
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
January 17 2011 00:24 GMT
#550
Aw, thought this was Within You, Without You from the Beatles for a moment.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Yusername
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden252 Posts
January 17 2011 00:24 GMT
#551
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.

Only because of MorroW's godly defense. Against a normal Zerg this would be boring.
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
January 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#552
On January 17 2011 09:23 HowardRoark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 09:21 Gescom wrote:
Maybe you should watch the amazing Homestory games from earlier today before you try and criticize White-Ra.

He's playing to win.

Remember when Morrow went 5rax reaper multiple games in a row? Playing to win.


Yeah, but the 5rax reapers were actually patched shortly after.


So?

If anything that makes it even worse.



I don't see what's wrong with WhiteRas play...
Kevmeister @ Dota2
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 00:26:28
January 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#553
I can definitely understand why White-Ra wants to play in a way that he known will win, but that doesn't make it any less boring to watch. Morrow is the only excitement in these matches with some great defense and he tries so damn hard to hang on. I don't want to see a Protoss that just goes "Well my 1-base mega ball of units can beat you, so that's all I'm gonna do." That game on Shakuras was the same thing, only Morrow managed to come back after the first attack and White-Ra seemed to fall to pieces.
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
January 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#554
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.

How are these great games?
They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense.

And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him.

White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game):
"I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game."

And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
January 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#555
On January 17 2011 09:22 KingRajesh wrote:
Why is White-Ra such a highly regarded player?

4 and 5 gate every game FTW.


He doesn't always do that... In this case I think it's a simple case of knowing your opponent. Morrow is a macro monster. He loves them drones. White-Ra just abuses this.

Also, of course, the maps:

- Close position on metalopolis
- Blistering Sands (did morrow actually pick this....................?)

On the Xel'Naga game white-ra won quite convincingly because morrow just made way too many zerglings for no apparent reason.
Hello=)
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
January 17 2011 00:25 GMT
#556
On January 17 2011 09:24 Yusername wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.

Only because of MorroW's godly defense. Against a normal Zerg this would be boring.


i have to agree, i loved white-ra for years(still do) but atm the only good thing about the last couples of games is MorroW hero defense
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
kuroshiro
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom378 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 00:27:58
January 17 2011 00:26 GMT
#557
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.


QFT. Morrow is scary. He'd be crushing most other protoss right now.

Plus white-ra is a beast at macro as well, he doesn't need to prove it to anyone; he needs to earn that dough and get his wife some nice things

I'm enjoying the games so far. It looks to me like morrow just needs to tweak his builds a bit more (less drones?) to hold off and take the lead.
I am you, and you are me.
Lord Vetinari
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway51 Posts
January 17 2011 00:26 GMT
#558
Can't wait for the next game, such suspense! Will White Ra go for the 4-gate or mix it up with a 5-gate?!

Gescom
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada3397 Posts
January 17 2011 00:26 GMT
#559
On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.

How are these great games?
They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense.

And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him.

White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game):
"I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game."

And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.

And by Morrow being down 3-1, he's saying, I can't defend a 1-base push....
Jaedong Hyuk || Bisu Jangbi || Fantasy Flash
Eggcake
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland722 Posts
January 17 2011 00:26 GMT
#560
On January 17 2011 09:25 AJMcSpiffy wrote:
I can definitely understand why White-Ra wants to play in a way that he known will win, but that doesn't make it any more boring to watch. Morrow is the only excitement in these matches with some great defense and he tries so damn hard to hang on. I don't want to see a Protoss that just goes "Well my 1-base mega ball of units can beat you, so that's all I'm gonna do." That game on Shakuras was the same thing, only Morrow managed to come back after the first attack and White-Ra seemed to fall to pieces.


Because he prepared accordingly. He had 4 or even 5 spine crawlers up. He didn't have a single one on Blistering Sands.
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