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On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.
Your logic seems kind of faulty, he is not saying I cannot win macro, he is saying I will have lower chance and that is big difference.
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Ouch mutas sandwiched by blink.
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On January 17 2011 09:36 n0ise wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:31 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:26 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Cool logic. So the Zerg is free to overdrone, cos if the opponent does aggressive play, he's lame/etc/can't win in a macro game. Anyway. Songname? ^____^ Except White Ra all ined. I mean, even a 4 gate isn't all in(which is sort of sad, but whatever.) Even when he killed the hatch, he didn't expand. On metalopolis, he had such a lead, yet instead of expanding made a stargate. Like just very very late he did make a nexus, but just in how late it was shows it was an all in. If he didn't kill Morrow's expo, he would've lost. Plain and simple. Same thing as you saw in game 1, in which White ra did 5 gate, failed, and lost to Morrow in the late game. There's a difference between droning too hard and not being able to compete in a macro game. There's a HUGE differense skill wise. One is just a simple, easy mistake. The other is what defines Starcraft 2. You didn't seem to understand my point. As stated by everyone a billion times, Morrow loves his dronies and defending with the minimum amount of resources. You can a) Play at a disadvantage and wonder why you're kinda meh in a macro game (because, again, Morrow will invest a lot of his resources in early econ) or b) try to abuse on that. Also, you do this four games in a row, you make the Zergy more leary to overdrone, then you go for a standard macro game in game 5 on LT. Standard BO5 high-level play. There's so much depth to this game, it's a pity people just read it as "omg he's so bad my plat buddy can do this and beat morrow".
I understand your point perfectly, I'm just stating why people are upset at Morrow. I understand its a tournament, and its very late for White Ra, I'm okay with him doing this.
But I can still be dissapointed in the play itself of White Ra. For example, theres a difference between capitalizing on knowing Morrow loves to drone hard and going 5 gate every game, then not expanding even when you kill his expo and keep trying to kill him.
There's a difference between being agressive and going all in. And just to clear things up, its not that 4 gate(and for the record White ra was going 5 gate) is all in, its not. It's that White Ra MADE it all in.
But again, I 100% understand your view, I'm just helping say why I myself am dissapointed in his play.
I hope for a better game 5
On January 17 2011 09:36 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Your logic seems kind of faulty, he is not saying I cannot win macro, he is saying I will have lower chance and that is big difference.
Sorry if I exaggerated somewhat. I do that when I'm getting somewhat passionate. My point is: White ra feels, or at least this is showing, that he can't compete in a macro game WELL with Morrow. Not that he can't at all.
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I love how white-ra denies all muta harass while denying morrow's third at the same time. See how a great player has different gameplans and is able to make good decisions according to what he sees. This is what morrow needs to be able to beat 3 4-gates in a row.
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The casters and the observer not being at the same time of the replay is really annoying 
edit: happy with whitera now? :D
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Nice idea by Morrow to send those zerglings in behind the army.
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Very well played by White Ra!
That was a good game!
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Gratz White-ra  great last game
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White-ra you beast. Huge congrats you deserved it!
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WhiteRa is a genuine superhero, great last game =)
Good effort from MorroW too, he was awesome throughout the tourny
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Goooo White-Ra! It's great seeing a lot of him after his vanishing act at the end of the beta.
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Can't beat morrow in a macro game....right
Nice, thought he was gonna lose the battle when he lost all the colossi.
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On January 17 2011 09:40 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:36 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:31 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:26 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Cool logic. So the Zerg is free to overdrone, cos if the opponent does aggressive play, he's lame/etc/can't win in a macro game. Anyway. Songname? ^____^ Except White Ra all ined. I mean, even a 4 gate isn't all in(which is sort of sad, but whatever.) Even when he killed the hatch, he didn't expand. On metalopolis, he had such a lead, yet instead of expanding made a stargate. Like just very very late he did make a nexus, but just in how late it was shows it was an all in. If he didn't kill Morrow's expo, he would've lost. Plain and simple. Same thing as you saw in game 1, in which White ra did 5 gate, failed, and lost to Morrow in the late game. There's a difference between droning too hard and not being able to compete in a macro game. There's a HUGE differense skill wise. One is just a simple, easy mistake. The other is what defines Starcraft 2. You didn't seem to understand my point. As stated by everyone a billion times, Morrow loves his dronies and defending with the minimum amount of resources. You can a) Play at a disadvantage and wonder why you're kinda meh in a macro game (because, again, Morrow will invest a lot of his resources in early econ) or b) try to abuse on that. Also, you do this four games in a row, you make the Zergy more leary to overdrone, then you go for a standard macro game in game 5 on LT. Standard BO5 high-level play. There's so much depth to this game, it's a pity people just read it as "omg he's so bad my plat buddy can do this and beat morrow". I understand your point perfectly, I'm just stating why people are upset at Morrow. I understand its a tournament, and its very late for White Ra, I'm okay with him doing this. But I can still be dissapointed in the play itself of White Ra. For example, theres a difference between capitalizing on knowing Morrow loves to drone hard and going 5 gate every game, then not expanding even when you kill his expo and keep trying to kill him. There's a difference between being agressive and going all in. And just to clear things up, its not that 4 gate(and for the record White ra was going 5 gate) is all in, its not. It's that White Ra MADE it all in. But again, I 100% understand your view, I'm just helping say why I myself am dissapointed in his play. I hope for a better game 5 Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:36 mcc wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Your logic seems kind of faulty, he is not saying I cannot win macro, he is saying I will have lower chance and that is big difference. Sorry if I exaggerated somewhat. I do that when I'm getting somewhat passionate. My point is: White ra feels, or at least this is showing, that he can't compete in a macro game WELL with Morrow. Not that he can't at all.
No. It only means he does this because he feels/knows he can win faster and easier this way. There's a difference.
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He won the Take's tournament. Reddit and maybe is going to win the warzone tournament. That's a pretty good for one days work :D
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GG, White-Ra is a beeeassst.
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EPT
