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TheCrow
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway296 Posts
January 17 2011 00:45 GMT
#621
There, he owned Morrow in a macrogame. Smart of him to go all out macro after having four gated all the previous games, Morrow seemed really nervous and planted tons of spines this game.
peeeky
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada631 Posts
January 17 2011 00:45 GMT
#622
WhiteRa has won a lot of money today, congrats! Enjoyed watching this tournament, hope there is more to come.
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
January 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#623
now whose talking
white-ra can't macro??!!
Thanks white-ra, nice game

Amazing tournament, I'm looking for the next one
FrostShadow
Profile Joined August 2010
United States335 Posts
January 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#624
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#625
Well played White-Ra .. nice domination :D
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
PlosionCornu
Profile Joined August 2010
Italy814 Posts
January 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#626
Did they remove ultras from the game? Seriously I cannot undestand this corruptor hydra roach ball of fire that everyone is lobbing at protoss armies of death.

I'm dead serious,please enlighten me.

walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
January 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#627
Congratulations to White-Ra. It would be awesome to see him go 3 for 3 later today.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
January 17 2011 00:46 GMT
#628
On January 17 2011 09:40 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 09:36 n0ise wrote:
On January 17 2011 09:31 Pandain wrote:
On January 17 2011 09:26 n0ise wrote:
On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.

How are these great games?
They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense.

And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him.

White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game):
"I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game."

And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.


Cool logic. So the Zerg is free to overdrone, cos if the opponent does aggressive play, he's lame/etc/can't win in a macro game.

Anyway. Songname? ^____^


Except White Ra all ined. I mean, even a 4 gate isn't all in(which is sort of sad, but whatever.)

Even when he killed the hatch, he didn't expand. On metalopolis, he had such a lead, yet instead of expanding made a stargate. Like just very very late he did make a nexus, but just in how late it was shows it was an all in.

If he didn't kill Morrow's expo, he would've lost. Plain and simple. Same thing as you saw in game 1, in which White ra did 5 gate, failed, and lost to Morrow in the late game.

There's a difference between droning too hard and not being able to compete in a macro game. There's a HUGE differense skill wise. One is just a simple, easy mistake. The other is what defines Starcraft 2.



You didn't seem to understand my point. As stated by everyone a billion times, Morrow loves his dronies and defending with the minimum amount of resources. You can a) Play at a disadvantage and wonder why you're kinda meh in a macro game (because, again, Morrow will invest a lot of his resources in early econ) or b) try to abuse on that.

Also, you do this four games in a row, you make the Zergy more leary to overdrone, then you go for a standard macro game in game 5 on LT. Standard BO5 high-level play.

There's so much depth to this game, it's a pity people just read it as "omg he's so bad my plat buddy can do this and beat morrow".


I understand your point perfectly, I'm just stating why people are upset at Morrow. I understand its a tournament, and its very late for White Ra, I'm okay with him doing this.

But I can still be dissapointed in the play itself of White Ra. For example, theres a difference between capitalizing on knowing Morrow loves to drone hard and going 5 gate every game, then not expanding even when you kill his expo and keep trying to kill him.

There's a difference between being agressive and going all in. And just to clear things up, its not that 4 gate(and for the record White ra was going 5 gate) is all in, its not. It's that White Ra MADE it all in.

But again, I 100% understand your view, I'm just helping say why I myself am dissapointed in his play.

I hope for a better game 5

Show nested quote +
On January 17 2011 09:36 mcc wrote:
On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:
On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games.

How are these great games?
They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense.

And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him.

White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game):
"I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game."

And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series.

Your logic seems kind of faulty, he is not saying I cannot win macro, he is saying I will have lower chance and that is big difference.

Sorry if I exaggerated somewhat. I do that when I'm getting somewhat passionate. My point is: White ra feels, or at least this is showing, that he can't compete in a macro game WELL with Morrow. Not that he can't at all.

Last game seems to contradict you
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
January 17 2011 00:47 GMT
#629
On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.

You couldn't expect anything different in a PvP, dood. *sigh*
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
January 17 2011 00:47 GMT
#630
On January 17 2011 09:45 TheCrow wrote:
There, he owned Morrow in a macrogame. Smart of him to go all out macro after having four gated all the previous games, Morrow seemed really nervous and planted tons of spines this game.


No he wasn't nervous....... If you want to go mutalisk without producing lots of lings you need to build spine crawlers. Also, you can use them later. Please stop blabbering out whatever appears in your head as a plausible reason.
Hello=)
Chicane
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7875 Posts
January 17 2011 00:47 GMT
#631
Good game! Woo!
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#632
On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.


What?

The homestory was like PvP only in the end, what do you expect?

and that last game against morrow was insane by whitera


you can't be serious
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#633
Congratulations to White-Ra!
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#634
On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.

I dont get these posts. Is it Ra's fault that toss is that strong against zerg? Should he play bad strats to make up for that?

But tbh we can soon start to speculate which changes will come to balance this matchup.
Off-season = best season
DarkRise
Profile Joined November 2010
1644 Posts
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#635
On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.


sigh
DT is a cheese??!! Do you even know what cheese is???
Good players, tournament and casters
Great event
sekritzzz
Profile Joined December 2010
1515 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 00:49:20
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#636
On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.

dt is NEVER cheese wtf unless u play in pvp. Stop giving wood league whines please. Dt's alone are never supposed to win u a game unless ur opponent has a SUPER SUPER SUPER late lair or is just a dumbass terran who constantly misses scans. DTs are a harrass/map control/let u expand freely type unit.
Eggcake
Profile Joined August 2010
Switzerland722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-17 00:50:11
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#637
@FrostShadow
I bet my left nut that you didn't see the Homestory finals. He was defending more 4-gates than doing pushes. He dominated the tournament, he killed Morrow in two macro games, and won in 3 4-/5-Gates where Morrow didn't react accordingly due to non-existent scouting or too much droning.

Haters gonna hate
ParasitJonte
Profile Joined September 2004
Sweden1768 Posts
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#638
The DTs really gave White-Ra the win in the last game. His reaction to get DT was so spot on. Morrow was so far behind after losing that third, the game was practically over.
Hello=)
TheCrow
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway296 Posts
January 17 2011 00:48 GMT
#639
On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.


He doesnt exactly play run of the mill style in my opinion. WhiteRa chose DT's after he scouted the far away expo from MorroW. It was reaction play and the right decision to harass with since mutas were out.
iamke55
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
United States2806 Posts
January 17 2011 00:49 GMT
#640
On January 17 2011 09:45 TheCrow wrote:
There, he owned Morrow in a macrogame. Smart of him to go all out macro after having four gated all the previous games, Morrow seemed really nervous and planted tons of spines this game.


That's nothing to do with nervousness, it's part of the lost temple muta build. If he went for roach instead, he wouldn't have made those spine crawlers.
During practice session, I discovered very good build against zerg. -Bisu[Shield]
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