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On January 17 2011 09:46 PlosionCornu wrote:
Did they remove ultras from the game? Seriously I cannot undestand this corruptor hydra roach ball of fire that everyone is lobbing at protoss armies of death.
I'm dead serious,please enlighten me.
with colossus/blink stalkers you can abuse cliff and micro against ultras as long as you want
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Using DTs = cheese now apparently. Sure is great learnings from the posts on Teamliquid XD
Grats to White-ra, very well deserved.
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On January 17 2011 09:46 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:40 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:36 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:31 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:26 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Cool logic. So the Zerg is free to overdrone, cos if the opponent does aggressive play, he's lame/etc/can't win in a macro game. Anyway. Songname? ^____^ Except White Ra all ined. I mean, even a 4 gate isn't all in(which is sort of sad, but whatever.) Even when he killed the hatch, he didn't expand. On metalopolis, he had such a lead, yet instead of expanding made a stargate. Like just very very late he did make a nexus, but just in how late it was shows it was an all in. If he didn't kill Morrow's expo, he would've lost. Plain and simple. Same thing as you saw in game 1, in which White ra did 5 gate, failed, and lost to Morrow in the late game. There's a difference between droning too hard and not being able to compete in a macro game. There's a HUGE differense skill wise. One is just a simple, easy mistake. The other is what defines Starcraft 2. You didn't seem to understand my point. As stated by everyone a billion times, Morrow loves his dronies and defending with the minimum amount of resources. You can a) Play at a disadvantage and wonder why you're kinda meh in a macro game (because, again, Morrow will invest a lot of his resources in early econ) or b) try to abuse on that. Also, you do this four games in a row, you make the Zergy more leary to overdrone, then you go for a standard macro game in game 5 on LT. Standard BO5 high-level play. There's so much depth to this game, it's a pity people just read it as "omg he's so bad my plat buddy can do this and beat morrow". I understand your point perfectly, I'm just stating why people are upset at Morrow. I understand its a tournament, and its very late for White Ra, I'm okay with him doing this. But I can still be dissapointed in the play itself of White Ra. For example, theres a difference between capitalizing on knowing Morrow loves to drone hard and going 5 gate every game, then not expanding even when you kill his expo and keep trying to kill him. There's a difference between being agressive and going all in. And just to clear things up, its not that 4 gate(and for the record White ra was going 5 gate) is all in, its not. It's that White Ra MADE it all in. But again, I 100% understand your view, I'm just helping say why I myself am dissapointed in his play. I hope for a better game 5 On January 17 2011 09:36 mcc wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Your logic seems kind of faulty, he is not saying I cannot win macro, he is saying I will have lower chance and that is big difference. Sorry if I exaggerated somewhat. I do that when I'm getting somewhat passionate. My point is: White ra feels, or at least this is showing, that he can't compete in a macro game WELL with Morrow. Not that he can't at all. Last game seems to contradict you 
I have full faith in White Ra's macro abilities, that is why I'm dissapointed in why he 5 gated 4/5 games.
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On January 17 2011 09:48 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though. I dont get these posts. Is it Ra's fault that toss is that strong against zerg? Should he play bad strats to make up for that? But tbh we can soon start to speculate which changes will come to balance this matchup.
Wow another OP discussion starting
why do we always hear this if someone win a tournament
Please stop -.-
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Well, the final series was a bit too one sided to be truly the most epic show of the ages, but a nice watch nevertheless. Both White-Ra and Morrow have been absolutely amazing. As was the casting! :D
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The cool thing about WhiteRa is, that he is so friggin' unpredictable and dangerous. Yeah, he can cheese you, but afterwards he roflstomps you in a huge macrogame. He's a beast!
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Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
All of you whiners understand nothing about White-Ra. If you think that he should not have punished Morrow for being greedy with warpgate rushes, even if he had to do that 10 times in a row, you don't understand anything about competitive Starcraft either.
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Sweden1768 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:46 PlosionCornu wrote:
Did they remove ultras from the game? Seriously I cannot undestand this corruptor hydra roach ball of fire that everyone is lobbing at protoss armies of death.
I'm dead serious,please enlighten me.
He was about 2 bases away from being able to get Ultras. Thank you, come again.
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On January 17 2011 09:46 FrostShadow wrote:
I used to like whitera, but watching him play today in homestory and this shows he really just does run of the mill cheesy shit.
4-5 gate or dt rush every game of both finals. wasted 2+ hours watching it today :/ , thats totally my mistake though.
You know in Take's tournament it was PvP which is highly one-basing matchup and his opponents did the same. Also are you saying Protoss should not use DTs, people like you are so funny. I love macro games as probably everyone, but well executed short games are also great. Porrly executed one base all ins that win games are bad.
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Eh you people still complaining about the gates did see that game right? Man can execute a lot of shit. He tends to be aggressive though, Morrow pulled some nice defenses, but perhaps should have been a bit more prepared. ZvP ain't easy however and he did get to the finals in an awesome way, so good job.
And well played by mister Ra. One more for the hattrick :D
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the problem morrow have is not having hive tech, he was in 4 base and max to top that off but no infestation pit
no ultras or even broodlords
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On January 17 2011 09:46 mcc wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2011 09:40 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:36 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:31 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:26 n0ise wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Cool logic. So the Zerg is free to overdrone, cos if the opponent does aggressive play, he's lame/etc/can't win in a macro game. Anyway. Songname? ^____^ Except White Ra all ined. I mean, even a 4 gate isn't all in(which is sort of sad, but whatever.) Even when he killed the hatch, he didn't expand. On metalopolis, he had such a lead, yet instead of expanding made a stargate. Like just very very late he did make a nexus, but just in how late it was shows it was an all in. If he didn't kill Morrow's expo, he would've lost. Plain and simple. Same thing as you saw in game 1, in which White ra did 5 gate, failed, and lost to Morrow in the late game. There's a difference between droning too hard and not being able to compete in a macro game. There's a HUGE differense skill wise. One is just a simple, easy mistake. The other is what defines Starcraft 2. You didn't seem to understand my point. As stated by everyone a billion times, Morrow loves his dronies and defending with the minimum amount of resources. You can a) Play at a disadvantage and wonder why you're kinda meh in a macro game (because, again, Morrow will invest a lot of his resources in early econ) or b) try to abuse on that. Also, you do this four games in a row, you make the Zergy more leary to overdrone, then you go for a standard macro game in game 5 on LT. Standard BO5 high-level play. There's so much depth to this game, it's a pity people just read it as "omg he's so bad my plat buddy can do this and beat morrow". I understand your point perfectly, I'm just stating why people are upset at Morrow. I understand its a tournament, and its very late for White Ra, I'm okay with him doing this. But I can still be dissapointed in the play itself of White Ra. For example, theres a difference between capitalizing on knowing Morrow loves to drone hard and going 5 gate every game, then not expanding even when you kill his expo and keep trying to kill him. There's a difference between being agressive and going all in. And just to clear things up, its not that 4 gate(and for the record White ra was going 5 gate) is all in, its not. It's that White Ra MADE it all in. But again, I 100% understand your view, I'm just helping say why I myself am dissapointed in his play. I hope for a better game 5 On January 17 2011 09:36 mcc wrote:On January 17 2011 09:25 Pandain wrote:On January 17 2011 09:23 .Theory wrote:
What's with the 4gate QQ? They're still great games. How are these great games? They're only great(somewhat, SOMEWHAT) because Morrow is such a beast at defense. And for people saying "Oh, he's playing to win", that doesn't mean people can't be dissapointed in him. White Ra is basically saying, by 5 gating 3 times in a row(after getting totally dominated in a macro game): "I can't win vs Morrow in a macro game." And that's what makes me, along with other people in this thread, dissapointed with White ra and his play this series. Your logic seems kind of faulty, he is not saying I cannot win macro, he is saying I will have lower chance and that is big difference. Sorry if I exaggerated somewhat. I do that when I'm getting somewhat passionate. My point is: White ra feels, or at least this is showing, that he can't compete in a macro game WELL with Morrow. Not that he can't at all. Last game seems to contradict you
Exactly. All these people who are whining about White-ra cant macro etc.. can watch the 5th game. Just a solid straight up well executed macro game.
White-ra is on fire today. Wouldnt be surprised if he takes the Warzone cup as well..
Homestory 1st, Screddit 1st and now Warzone(probably!)..not bad for a days work.
GL White-ra :D
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United Kingdom38257 Posts
WhiteRa has pulled in a guaranteed $4300 in the last couple of days, could be as much as $5300 if he wins Warzone tonight. That's a pretty huge week!
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Boooo Hoooooooo White-Ra can only 4-gate!!
No, he is a phenomenal player with an extremely agressive playstyle while fully capable of playing macro as well.
He used the tactics that he could win with. 1200 bucks on the line and dont for one minute underestimate Morrow. In White-Ra's position there's no way I would put on a show either. He picked the strongest builds and executed them well.
A few months ago, around the time he got married he looked like he was out of the game. He was too old and his prime was over. Guess he proved us wrong. His play is so solid and with the current state of protoss I think he will dominate a lot of tournaments in the close future.
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On January 17 2011 09:31 kuroshiro wrote:
I think people who keep saying that these games are not entertaining aren't paying attention. srsly. Watch the freakin game instead of labelling '4-gate' and automatically deciding 'this game sucks'.
Just my opinion though.
Obviously that's your own opinion.
Some people don't find constant 4-gating entertaining. We can see thousands of 4 gating protoss games whenever we want, however we can't see high level macro "up to 6 bases action action" games.
4 gates make me yawn. And yes, I watched the game. That's the problem...
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Yeahhh go White Ra! =D
Awesome series and awesome tournament. Everything went buttery smooth, besides MorroW's internet hiccup last week, but that was outside of Reddit's control.
...oh, and don't forget that highlight video. Gave me chills.
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Sweden1768 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:51 Random() wrote:
All of you whiners understand nothing about White-Ra. If you think that he should not have punished Morrow for being greedy with warpgate rushes, even if he had to do that 10 times in a row, you don't understand anything about competitive Starcraft either.
Morrow wasn't being overly greedy... Protoss early attacks on those maps, those positions, are just too strong to make for a good game.
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Anyone knows when those games were actually played?
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Sweden1768 Posts
On January 17 2011 09:51 DarkRise wrote:
the problem morrow have is not having hive tech, he was in 4 base and max to top that off but no infestation pit
no ultras or even broodlords
You've got to be kidding me. He lost his third base and had to rebuild. You DO understand how far back that sets him? If not, then don't post.
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I love to see that WhiteRa's making a strong comeback into the tournament scene. Congrats WhiteRa. =D
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