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ZeNd0kUn
United States331 Posts
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:28 Telcontar wrote: Pretty standard if you ask me. Any decent protoss player can throw down FFs to block pure speedlings. Agreed 100%. I think a lot of people get carried away with the whole GSL winner being the best player ever thing. oGsMC is a great player but everything he does isn't new and amazing. And I feel it's kind of ridiculous to be saying Ret made horrible decisions and played terrible. From what I saw he made standard decisions for a zerg player based on what the opponent was doing and what his economy would permit. He just attempted to be aggressive in the first game which you have to do more than kill a nexus as zerg or you will be behind any decent protoss in economy because he had to use larva for units instead of drones. Basically early aggression zerg = all-in. Most pros I see play build hydras to counter gateway units which is what he did. His army control might not have been 100% but it wasnt that lopsided of a game. The rest of the games come down to the fact that its tough to guess when to drone and when to make units. No one can be perfect with that aspect of the game, especially when in close positions. GG Ret, I feel your pain. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:47 ZeNd0kUn wrote: I think the closest game was on XelNaga Caverns. Good games Ret .. want to see you in Code S ... I guess the next patch will help with the pylon wall ins a bit. Good luck in your ZvZ against Zenio. I don't think it will change much. 3 pylons instead of 2. Maybe this will be massive or maybe P just won't get such a massive lead when they do this. Who knows. | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:44 Numy wrote: Again, he took all off gas just to survive till that point. If he had drones on gas and hydra den going he would have never stopped that first push anyway. I noticed he had loooot of extra gas at a point. He sure could have turned that into hydras. | ||
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Manimal_pro
Romania991 Posts
edit: he looked really flimsy against zenio with some terrible terrible mistakes | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:44 Uncultured wrote: Raoches just straight up die to stalker sentry with a 6gate. UNLESS they get burrow. And then it's a tossup which requires tons of work on the zergs part. MC's forcefields are superb, and forcefield pretty much counter roaches. I see a Muta Tech die to 6 Gate, i see a Hydra Tech die to 6 Gate, i see only speedlings die to 6 Gate. The only tech i see the Zerg not die straight away is the roach tech. So it seems like you have no other choice (only banelings, lol). | ||
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Random()
Kyrgyz Republic1462 Posts
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Faze.
Canada285 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:45 arew wrote: Yeah, make it bigger and go play every single game for 20minutes, rofl. Some maps are to small, yes, but saying that about every single map just makes me laugh. The problem is not really about the maps. What's wrong with normal length games? The best, most fun and epic games to watch last much longer than that. Unless you have an obsession for tier 1 massing there's not much to see in a 10 minute game. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:48 Manimal_pro wrote: by the way, the bracket setup robbed RET 200 $, if he was in zenio's spot he would have made it to the final no problem thats total bs, top is very good and i probably cant beat him | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:50 Liquid`Ret wrote: thats total bs, top is very good and i probably cant beat him Top got beaten in Dreamhack whose finalist was Mana who you demolished, so... | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:49 Faze. wrote: What's wrong with normal length games? The best, most fun and epic games to watch last much longer than that. Unless you have an obsession for tier 1 massing there's not much to see in a 10 minute game. StarCraft:BroodWar was playable and still is for more than 10 years not just because of making the maps bigger... If you blaim all the maps, then re-thnik about the strategy and the balance in a some parts of the game. Blaiming all the maps just doesn't make sense, also, not every single game must to be epic. | ||
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
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shell
Portugal2722 Posts
Better luck next time! ZvP is nowadays the most broken matchup imo | ||
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Shrugger
44 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:52 -Archangel- wrote: Solid logic.Top got beaten in Dreamhack whose finalist was Mana who you demolished, so... | ||
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DarKFoRcE
Germany1215 Posts
todays games were pretty sad to watch for me  edit: manas PvZ is pretty bad (or at least, definitely worse than his other 2 MUs), he even lost in his warmup game before his match vs ret against me and i was playing on a laptop because im not at home. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:53 DarKFoRcE wrote: It makes me pretty sad to hear so many people thinking that they know everything better and talk bad about players while they have absolutely no clue about high level play :/ todays games were pretty sad to watch for me Stream so we can watch some zerg being Euros  | ||
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gnutz
Germany666 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4520 Posts
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:53 Liquid`Ret wrote: so what? u try playing zvt vs a korean, im doing it everyday and i get raped all day long, mana is a european and he doesnt know how to abuse zerg Have you tried 12 overpool hatch, 11 pool to counter these cannon cheese? It gets you a hatch at natural and lings in time to stop cannons | ||
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ZeNd0kUn
United States331 Posts
On December 30 2010 01:53 DarKFoRcE wrote: I guess it's pretty much like watching a football game and criticizing the players while not really being able to play the game as them. And yeah it's a sad day for Zerg again. It makes me pretty sad to hear so many people thinking that they know everything better and talk bad about players while they have absolutely no clue about high level play :/ todays games were pretty sad to watch for me | ||
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