[GSL] S3 Grand Finals - Page 226

On December 18 2010 23:39 tyr wrote:
So i heard Flounder won a GSL.
I just can't take this guy seriously since the Hyungjoon show. :D

On December 19 2010 03:38 shinosai wrote:
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.

In the end I think it's clear that MC was the better player, but I also think that game 2 showed the legitimate way to fight protoss late game. Bunker + siege push is the way to go. Rains problem was that he just couldn't keep up with MCs multitasking, but he had the right idea in strategy.

The push would have ended the game, but the execution was poor. He spent too much time dealing with harassment instead of pushing forward while he had an advantage. In the end he lost to a player with superior multitasking ability.

On December 19 2010 03:38 shinosai wrote:
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.

On December 18 2010 23:50 Markwerf wrote:
People trying to use statistics on GSL champions and ro4 outcomes are complete morons. The actual winning races of GSL have absolutely no value for judging balance as there have been only 3 GSL's.
Take for example a ultimately balanced game. Each race would have 1/3rd chance to win a GSL. Yet the chance that in 3 GSL's there would have been 3 different races winning would be quite small.. It would be (2/3) * (1/3) = 2/9 not even 25%... So basically people need to learn their statistics a bit and stop making completely idiotic assumptions based on just 3 win results 3 top 4's.

A statistic that does get somewhat reasonable is the amount of each races that qualified for GSL 3 or the ones that got S class. GSL 3 saw lots of zergs and terrans, not so many protoss. S-class is slightly more terrans and then about a equal amount of zerg and protoss.
Overall you can't say anything from these numbers yet as it's just not enough data.

The most reasonable way to balance by numbers is just to look at win %s of matchups in the top of the best ladder imo. If the new master league is a fact that would be a perfect benchmark for racial balance imo. Also the map factor is pretty huge it seems in zerg based matchups so far so the system for map choosing also plays a huge role. GSL 3 was the only GSL without a veto system and had by far the worst results for zerg (most entered and least got through), which could have been a huge part of it. I certainly think some good zergs got knocked out by not being able to thumb down steppes of war for example.

On December 19 2010 03:37 eNtitY~ wrote:


MC isn't flounder.

On December 19 2010 03:38 shinosai wrote:
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.