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Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 18:34:36
December 18 2010 18:34 GMT
#4501
So, let me understand this for one more time: Game 2 is the most recommended game among all, and even that game is slightly above mediocre in my opinion (especially with tastosis observing quality, i like them so much but observing just sucked at that game). Yes, 21 kill DT and 20 kill HT were good, really really good, but MC drilling through Rain's containment without even microing a bit was nuts. I just couldn't watch it until the end. Actually I could, but I regret it.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
December 18 2010 18:35 GMT
#4502
Yay I`m really happy for MC! He deserved to win more than Rain IMO.

I lol'd when he scouted proxy gate almost as early as humanly possible and still lost...terrible decision making that shouldn`t happen at such a high level.
Try another route paperboy.
eNtitY~
Profile Joined January 2007
United States1293 Posts
December 18 2010 18:37 GMT
#4503
On December 18 2010 23:39 tyr wrote:
So i heard Flounder won a GSL.
I just can't take this guy seriously since the Hyungjoon show. :D


MC isn't flounder.
http://www.starcraftdream.com
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 18:41:29
December 18 2010 18:38 GMT
#4504
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.

In the end I think it's clear that MC was the better player, but I also think that game 2 showed the legitimate way to fight protoss late game. Bunker + siege push is the way to go. Rains problem was that he just couldn't keep up with MCs multitasking, but he had the right idea in strategy.

The push would have ended the game, but the execution was poor. He spent too much time dealing with harassment instead of pushing forward while he had an advantage. In the end he lost to a player with superior multitasking ability.
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Terr
Profile Joined October 2010
237 Posts
December 18 2010 18:41 GMT
#4505
I absolutely loved the finials! Can't even imagine how they could have been any better!
Great production values, I even liked that Baneling show before the finals and most of the videos during the breaks!

I'm really stoked about 2011 and what is still to come!
"How peaceful it must be for you, to have a mind unburdened by thought." - Protoss Zealot
JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
December 18 2010 18:42 GMT
#4506
On December 19 2010 03:38 shinosai wrote:
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.

In the end I think it's clear that MC was the better player, but I also think that game 2 showed the legitimate way to fight protoss late game. Bunker + siege push is the way to go. Rains problem was that he just couldn't keep up with MCs multitasking, but he had the right idea in strategy.

The push would have ended the game, but the execution was poor. He spent too much time dealing with harassment instead of pushing forward while he had an advantage. In the end he lost to a player with superior multitasking ability.


I think people are more arguing that Rain uses all-ins too often, while MC uses it sparingly to change up the gameplay. One is predictable, the other is a good strategy.
Yargh
Cofo
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States1388 Posts
December 18 2010 18:43 GMT
#4507
Game 2 was really entertaining. Stargate, HT/DT, AND warp prisms. Pretty much everything I've been looking for in terms of unique protoss play.
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GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 18:49:01
December 18 2010 18:47 GMT
#4508
On December 19 2010 03:38 shinosai wrote:
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.

You're tripping on something if you think anyone here is saying proxy gateway = skill...

No one's complaining about it because it doesn't make up for a third of MC's strategy.
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
December 18 2010 18:51 GMT
#4509
I'm really happy to see a protoss win, and I say that as a terran player. Watching a terran brute force his way to victory through using nothing but marauders gets old really fast.

Grats to MC and I hope tyler and Incontrol have found the secrets behind protoss after watching MC.
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
darklordjac
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2231 Posts
December 18 2010 18:57 GMT
#4510
Grats to Mc for winning it and Rain for making it this far.
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
December 18 2010 19:08 GMT
#4511
haha, mc what a cocky bastard

really awesome play tho :o

game 2 was the best game ive seen in a gsl finals so far
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 19:30:07
December 18 2010 19:29 GMT
#4512
On December 18 2010 23:50 Markwerf wrote:
People trying to use statistics on GSL champions and ro4 outcomes are complete morons. The actual winning races of GSL have absolutely no value for judging balance as there have been only 3 GSL's.
Take for example a ultimately balanced game. Each race would have 1/3rd chance to win a GSL. Yet the chance that in 3 GSL's there would have been 3 different races winning would be quite small.. It would be (2/3) * (1/3) = 2/9 not even 25%... So basically people need to learn their statistics a bit and stop making completely idiotic assumptions based on just 3 win results 3 top 4's.

A statistic that does get somewhat reasonable is the amount of each races that qualified for GSL 3 or the ones that got S class. GSL 3 saw lots of zergs and terrans, not so many protoss. S-class is slightly more terrans and then about a equal amount of zerg and protoss.
Overall you can't say anything from these numbers yet as it's just not enough data.

The most reasonable way to balance by numbers is just to look at win %s of matchups in the top of the best ladder imo. If the new master league is a fact that would be a perfect benchmark for racial balance imo. Also the map factor is pretty huge it seems in zerg based matchups so far so the system for map choosing also plays a huge role. GSL 3 was the only GSL without a veto system and had by far the worst results for zerg (most entered and least got through), which could have been a huge part of it. I certainly think some good zergs got knocked out by not being able to thumb down steppes of war for example.


I agree with your opening line. Blizzard doesn't (and shouldn't) look at GSL statistics for input on game balance. They WATCH THE DAMN GAMES.

There is ZERO value in analyzing statistics in the small data pool that is top level tournament play, when you can just watch the individual games to see what's going on.

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oGsMC is too good, nerf him!
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
December 18 2010 19:29 GMT
#4513
On December 19 2010 03:37 eNtitY~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2010 23:39 tyr wrote:
So i heard Flounder won a GSL.
I just can't take this guy seriously since the Hyungjoon show. :D


MC isn't flounder.


Liquipedia seems to disagree with you.
Who is flounder in your opinion?
UnholyRai
Profile Joined September 2010
720 Posts
December 18 2010 19:34 GMT
#4514
VOD of game 2?
Gogo Grubby.
Railin
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada96 Posts
December 18 2010 19:34 GMT
#4515
This was the first GSL I watched live and I really enjoyed the show =)

Baneling pre-show was hilarious, and I enjoyed most of the games - of course, it wasn't the Leenock vs Clide entertainment value, but I couldn't have lasted several long games at 5-6 AM anyway, so short was better.

I felt kinda bad for Rain at times, but than - props to him for making it into the finals (hope he's not so nervous next time), and I'm really glad MC took it.
~~femFxRailin~~ "Sc2 strategies have an interesting history of being developed in Europe, perfected in Korea, and used on unsuspecting Americans" [Tree.Hugger]
GimbleB
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Scotland178 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-18 20:04:29
December 18 2010 20:01 GMT
#4516
Last video I'll be putting in this thread. The award ceremony from my point of view. If you want more finals videos, I'll be putting them in my blog.

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Enjoy!
"What's the point of it all, when you're building a wall and in front of your eyes it disappears." -pigwiththefaceofaboy
vectorix108
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States4633 Posts
December 18 2010 20:02 GMT
#4517
yay, MC is a beast!
Aka XephyR/Shaneyesss
Cent
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada155 Posts
December 18 2010 20:07 GMT
#4518
imo, toss lategame macro > terran lategame macro, but that wasn't what I saw most evidently in the finals. I saw MC, a superior player, maneuver ahead of Rain in every aspect. This guy is just godly. Imba or no, MC is just better. Congrats

/fingerwag
Life is a lot like playing Terran. You can't win all your battles, but you gotta keep making good trades and maybe eventually possibly somehow you'll win.
Moragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States355 Posts
December 18 2010 20:11 GMT
#4519
On December 19 2010 03:38 shinosai wrote:
First 3 games were actually really interesting to watch. Rain showed to me that he was better than I initially thought he was. Game 4 was pretty disgusting. No worse than marine/scv cheese, yet I find it amusing that few are complaining about it. I mean, what, scv all-in is fail but proxy gateway = skill? Give me a break.


The best players have to have cheese in their repetoire. IdrA and Jinro have been exploited in their early games because people KNOW they wont have a big army. Yet IdrA even called fruitdealer by far the best zerg and he six pooled on his way to the GSL championship. You just have to do it sometimes if you want to win.
ToasteR_
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada551 Posts
December 18 2010 20:13 GMT
#4520
Congratulation to MC for the win, I think it's what most people expected. However, Rain played a brilliant third game. Hopefully we see more play like that from him in the future.
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