EPTI just can't take this guy seriously since the Hyungjoon show. :D
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tyr
France1686 Posts
I just can't take this guy seriously since the Hyungjoon show. :D | ||
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InteGrated
United States259 Posts
ya the other games were not as good but game 2 made it worthwhile to watch | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
that's what this season about and i could not even remember one game while i remember some from season 2 and 3. hope the gsl 2011 will be better and looking forward to idra vs jinro :D | ||
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
These Koreans are so crazy good. MC made jinro look like an amateur. | ||
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DarkRise
1644 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:41 mothergoose729 wrote: Payed 20 dollars to watch MC own the whole tournament in HD. Completely worth it. That guy is so OP, he is a freaking monster. These Koreans are so crazy good. MC made jinro look like an amateur. hes startegy against terran is soo good it looks like terran is UP when MC is fighting lol | ||
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Markwerf
Netherlands3728 Posts
Take for example a ultimately balanced game. Each race would have 1/3rd chance to win a GSL. Yet the chance that in 3 GSL's there would have been 3 different races winning would be quite small.. It would be (2/3) * (1/3) = 2/9 not even 25%... So basically people need to learn their statistics a bit and stop making completely idiotic assumptions based on just 3 win results 3 top 4's. A statistic that does get somewhat reasonable is the amount of each races that qualified for GSL 3 or the ones that got S class. GSL 3 saw lots of zergs and terrans, not so many protoss. S-class is slightly more terrans and then about a equal amount of zerg and protoss. Overall you can't say anything from these numbers yet as it's just not enough data. The most reasonable way to balance by numbers is just to look at win %s of matchups in the top of the best ladder imo. If the new master league is a fact that would be a perfect benchmark for racial balance imo. Also the map factor is pretty huge it seems in zerg based matchups so far so the system for map choosing also plays a huge role. GSL 3 was the only GSL without a veto system and had by far the worst results for zerg (most entered and least got through), which could have been a huge part of it. I certainly think some good zergs got knocked out by not being able to thumb down steppes of war for example. | ||
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Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
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FataLe
New Zealand4528 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:41 DarkRise wrote: Let's face it, the reason why GSL 3 was popular because it has more foreigner in the scene and jinro made it to semis. that's what this season about and i could not even remember one game while i remember some from season 2 and 3. hope the gsl 2011 will be better and looking forward to idra vs jinro :D You either don't watch enough or have poor taste. The Clide vs Leenock series was amazing. Watching MarineKingPrime get roflstomped was also a treat. >  | ||
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aisight
United States145 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:38 Heimatloser wrote: round of 4 is where the real "pro gaming" begins. i agree with you in that. and there are more terran progamers then all other races. i agree with you here also. but the fail-rate of terran is the highest! You see: Out of 2 Zergs, 2 made it to champion (100%) Out of 2 Protoss, 1 made champion (50%) Out of 8(!) Terran, 0 became chapmion (0% out of 8!) That's a hilarious way of interpreting the results. There were 27 Zerg players in GSL3. None of them made it to the Ro4. Does that mean that there is a grand total of zero "real pro" Zerg players around? By the same token, you can't claim anything about win or fail rate among an absurdly small sample (in this case the champions out of three GSL seasons). If there are more Terran players than any other races, it would probably go to follow that more of them lose than the other races, unless there were some stupidly extreme level of imbalance favoring them as a race. | ||
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{ToT}ColmA
Japan3260 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:41 DarkRise wrote: Let's face it, the reason why GSL 3 was popular because it has more foreigner in the scene and jinro made it to semis. that's what this season about and i could not even remember one game while i remember some from season 2 and 3. hope the gsl 2011 will be better and looking forward to idra vs jinro :D if u cant remember leenock vs clide then its probably over for you anyway | ||
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noD
2230 Posts
luck i get back to sleep coz it seems it was xD | ||
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Iberry
United States2 Posts
There might be balance unit issue but that really hard job to do to make all unit balance, I know Blizzard try really hard for balancing units. Beside people need to adapt whatever patch come out and create new strategies and all other stuff, so just be patient the game just came out, it takes time. | ||
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mothergoose729
United States666 Posts
Oh, and MC is so freaking good. He is the only one that is imbalance. New rule: after a certain skill level you must play dial up so that lag balances out your pwnage. | ||
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:39 tyr wrote: So i heard Flounder won a GSL. I just can't take this guy seriously since the Hyungjoon show. :D Was he the one who Hyungjoon always picked on? | ||
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GimbleB
Scotland178 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:25 Heimatloser wrote: your "logics" aside, terran is the only race which didnt win a gsl. Here a Race-Power-Ranking by Gsl Wins: 1.) Zerg [ 2 Wins ] 2.) Protoss [ 1 Win ] 3.) shared by Terran and Random [ 0 Wins ] You're seriously using that as balance statistics? I'm betting you didn't take maths at school did you. Or if you did you failed. Blizzard have stated they sometimes balance use the games in tournaments for reference when discussing balance. Never the results. Because they aren't thick as pig shit. Imagine if they did balance on your sample group of the winner of three (three!) tournaments. Zerg could have won all three times and it would mean literally fuck all in terms of balance. Terran player here by the way, trying to maintain some level of dignity for the race. I'm probably wasting my time, there will always be players who will sieze on anything they can to make themselves the victims. Guess what Terran players; if you lose, it's your fault. That goes for everyone, really. I hope this blame culture that's sprung up fucks off soon. | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On December 19 2010 00:25 nihoh wrote: Was he the one who Hyungjoon always picked on? I'd say that would be Sea  MC "major" showing was during the birthday party of Shark with his Kara - Mister dancing skills ("He's our ace dancer in MBC") | ||
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A Wet Shamwow
United States1590 Posts
On December 18 2010 23:38 Heimatloser wrote: round of 4 is where the real "pro gaming" begins. i agree with you in that. and there are more terran progamers then all other races. i agree with you here also. but the fail-rate of terran is the highest! You see: Out of 2 Zergs, 2 made it to champion (100%) Out of 2 Protoss, 1 made champion (50%) Out of 8(!) Terran, 0 became chapmion (0% out of 8!) Yes but you have to look at it this way Out of 2 zergs, 2 made it to championship Out of 8 terran, 3 made it to championship Out of 2 Protoss 1 made it to the championship Also in a round of four with many terrans in the ro4 we have seen many tvt's and that will cut down the sucess rate of terran's. In other words, the higher the number of terrans in the Ro4 the higher the number of terrans not making the finals I think the reason that many terrans are having problems is because since the beginning the terran race has never really had any lategame strategies and now the other two races have started to figure out the early timing attacks of terran and so on. Just look at marineking he is one of the top terran players, and guess what he does? Early pressure every time, and once he became figured out, he gets roflstomped by better players | ||
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proxY_
United States1561 Posts
Terran right now just doesn't seem to have a premier "go to" player that can be counted on to be consistently good, at least not in the gsl. Zerg has fruitdealer, nestea, and to a lesser extent players like idra, Check, July etc. Protoss has MC, Genius, and Tester (even though hes failed to qualify lately). I don't really know who the premier terran is. A lot of people are saying that it's Jinro, and it may very well be, but his game does have some holes in it that he needs to work on. Terrans like Rain and Marineking are just being seen as gimmicky and one dimensional. Looking at the code s list, between Nada, Boxer, Ensnare, Jinro, and Clide I would assume that one or more of them will make that leap. | ||
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