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On December 18 2010 22:33 Srule wrote:
protoss is so OP. it was more of a race with then skill. If toss didnt have storm, colosis, or other OP tech units terran might be able to compete but still the gateway units with forcfield support would own.
It's a sad day in SC when the better player lost just because of his race. And it happens to me all the time on the ladder too!
please ban this guy
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On December 18 2010 21:19 Bactrian wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 21:17 Ludwigvan wrote:On December 18 2010 21:13 AndAgain wrote:From another thread: On December 18 2010 21:08 esp wrote:On December 18 2010 21:05 ReachTheSky wrote:
so does anyone else think that mc looks like daria? rofl ![[image loading]](http://lipmag.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/daria-glasses.jpg) LOL! How did I not see that!? from what comic is she? Daria
shes a sidekick from beavis and butthead which got her own series.
edit: also lol to the guy above who cant see sarcasm
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I wonder if Avilo is going to make a new blog now.
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PvT is fine.
basically, protoss have finally figured out how to own bio balls... before this it was the protoss whining about imba terran in this matchup.
the balance whine just goes to show that the new generation gamers are whining kiddies. back in the day we didn't have balance patches every 5 minutes and actually had to learn to deal with monstrous strategies on our own.
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On December 18 2010 22:37 Samus wrote:
The matchup is just broken (PvT)
Terran has to end the game early or they'll lose.
Rain was probably going to lose anyways regardless of his race, Made alot of noobie mistakes.
Pulled off some nice tactics though on certain maps.
you're so wrong..
the problem is that most terran refuse to build up a lategame army.
watch painusers transition into banshee/thor to see some kickass lategame T.
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Haha it really is beyond parody that the Terran QQ comes out of the woodwork the MINUTE a protoss wins GSL.
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LOL. I didnt watch the games but the first thing I see are discussions about Protoss being imba? Wtf is going on... First Zerg was imba because Fruit/NesTea won and now Protoss because MC won? Next time MarineKing will win and then Terran is imba.
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On December 18 2010 22:49 SC2Real wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 22:37 Samus wrote:
The matchup is just broken (PvT)
Terran has to end the game early or they'll lose.
Rain was probably going to lose anyways regardless of his race, Made alot of noobie mistakes.
Pulled off some nice tactics though on certain maps. you're so wrong.. the problem is that most terran refuse to build up a lategame army. watch painusers transition into banshee/thor to see some kickass lategame T.
That painuser composition is complete crap and only worked well because his opponents didn't adapt well to it. A properly upgraded gateway army completely stomps it and banshee play is simply not good at all lategame (way to easily countered with HT and/or phoenix). Also the patch is making this even worse by buffing phoenix and observers and nerfing thor repair.
Lategame bio works alright with the proper micro, but I do think battlecruisers need to be restored to their old stats making them a viable lategame transition in PvT. It just doesn't make sense to have BC's still suck so hard while in the only matchup where they would be viable (as in TvZ and TvT they suck even more) their counter gets buffed. Voidray buff vs massive should easily compensate for a slight BC buff vs ground again.
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When does the next GSL start?
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I don't get why people were calling these cheese games? Only the game on steppes was cheese IMO. The rest of them were all pretty standard sorts of games...
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Told ya it was gonna be 4-1.
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On December 18 2010 22:53 The KY wrote:
Haha it really is beyond parody that the Terran QQ comes out of the woodwork the MINUTE a protoss wins GSL.
QFT.
This is really able to be generalized to every race and tournament, unfortunately.
Famous Player X (who happens to play as Race A) convincingly beat Famous Player Y (who happens to play as Race B)? Let's ignore how they played in the game, their inherent ability levels, and all statistics of the races; Race A is clearly overpowered and needs to be nerfed! In fact, I can name at least 3 units from Race A that I don't like, so those should be the units that get knocked down. And on top of that, Race B also needs at least 4 buffs of my choice (1200 ranked orange copper league here), two of which are completely unrelated to the game played between Player X and Player Y. And Race C sucks.
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On December 18 2010 23:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 22:53 The KY wrote:
Haha it really is beyond parody that the Terran QQ comes out of the woodwork the MINUTE a protoss wins GSL. QFT. This is really able to be generalized to every race and tournament, unfortunately. Famous Player X (who happens to play as Race A) convincingly beat Famous Player Y (who happens to play as Race B)? Let's ignore how they played in the game, their inherent ability levels, and all statistics of the races; Race A is clearly overpowered and needs to be nerfed! In fact, I can name at least 3 units from Race A that I don't like, so those should be the units that get knocked down. And on top of that, Race B also needs at least 4 buffs of my choice (1200 ranked orange copper league here), two of which are completely unrelated to the game played between Player X and Player Y. And Race C sucks.
your "logics" aside, terran is the only race which didnt win a gsl. Here a Race-Power-Ranking by Gsl Wins:
1.) Zerg [ 2 Wins ]
2.) Protoss [ 1 Win ]
3.) shared by Terran and Random [ 0 Wins ]
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I just realized the most important question of this GSL finals:
With GomTV making a music video to Tasteless' theme song, using Torch & Carefoot no less, have we been effectively reverse-trolled after all of the "interesting" names for Artosis' questions?
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Did anyone else notice the "Uniden fighting, Day[#J]" sign in the crowd?
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On December 18 2010 23:25 Heimatloser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 23:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 18 2010 22:53 The KY wrote:
Haha it really is beyond parody that the Terran QQ comes out of the woodwork the MINUTE a protoss wins GSL. QFT. This is really able to be generalized to every race and tournament, unfortunately. Famous Player X (who happens to play as Race A) convincingly beat Famous Player Y (who happens to play as Race B)? Let's ignore how they played in the game, their inherent ability levels, and all statistics of the races; Race A is clearly overpowered and needs to be nerfed! In fact, I can name at least 3 units from Race A that I don't like, so those should be the units that get knocked down. And on top of that, Race B also needs at least 4 buffs of my choice (1200 ranked orange copper league here), two of which are completely unrelated to the game played between Player X and Player Y. And Race C sucks. your "logics" aside, terran is the only race which didnt win a gsl. Here a Race-Power-Ranking by Gsl Wins: 1.) Zerg [ 2 Wins ] 2.) Protoss [ 1 Win ] 3.) shared by Terran and Random [ 0 Wins ]
Aside from it being quite amazing if all three races each won one out of the three GSLs that have happened so far, let's take a look at the far more relevant top 4 composition.
GSL1:
1 Zerg
2 Terran
3 Terran
3 Terran
GSL2:
1 Zerg
2 Terran
3 Terran
3 Terran
GSL3:
1 Protoss
2 Terran
3 Terran
3 Protoss
TOTALS:
1: 2 Zerg, 1 Protoss
2: 3 Terran
3: 5 Terran, 1 Protoss
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I really need to watch the vods apart from the first game, if anyone has a link, please PM me.
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On December 18 2010 23:02 Markwerf wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 22:49 SC2Real wrote:On December 18 2010 22:37 Samus wrote:
The matchup is just broken (PvT)
Terran has to end the game early or they'll lose.
Rain was probably going to lose anyways regardless of his race, Made alot of noobie mistakes.
Pulled off some nice tactics though on certain maps. you're so wrong.. the problem is that most terran refuse to build up a lategame army. watch painusers transition into banshee/thor to see some kickass lategame T. That painuser composition is complete crap and only worked well because his opponents didn't adapt well to it. A properly upgraded gateway army completely stomps it and banshee play is simply not good at all lategame (way to easily countered with HT and/or phoenix). Also the patch is making this even worse by buffing phoenix and observers and nerfing thor repair. Lategame bio works alright with the proper micro, but I do think battlecruisers need to be restored to their old stats making them a viable lategame transition in PvT. It just doesn't make sense to have BC's still suck so hard while in the only matchup where they would be viable (as in TvZ and TvT they suck even more) their counter gets buffed. Voidray buff vs massive should easily compensate for a slight BC buff vs ground again.
of course there are strong compositions against that but it's not that fragile as pure bio..
phoenixes and observer die quite fast to range 10 thors and gateway units die fast to banshees and thors (and maybe blue-flame helions with excess minerals).
hts just like ghost stand out a little bit as they are both always very good in TvP/PvT.
yes, bcs are underused (just as carriers are).. they have some appearance in TvT when both go tank/viking-play.
anyway, PvT is not broken :< thats my point
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On December 18 2010 23:30 aisight wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2010 23:25 Heimatloser wrote:On December 18 2010 23:21 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On December 18 2010 22:53 The KY wrote:
Haha it really is beyond parody that the Terran QQ comes out of the woodwork the MINUTE a protoss wins GSL. QFT. This is really able to be generalized to every race and tournament, unfortunately. Famous Player X (who happens to play as Race A) convincingly beat Famous Player Y (who happens to play as Race B)? Let's ignore how they played in the game, their inherent ability levels, and all statistics of the races; Race A is clearly overpowered and needs to be nerfed! In fact, I can name at least 3 units from Race A that I don't like, so those should be the units that get knocked down. And on top of that, Race B also needs at least 4 buffs of my choice (1200 ranked orange copper league here), two of which are completely unrelated to the game played between Player X and Player Y. And Race C sucks. your "logics" aside, terran is the only race which didnt win a gsl. Here a Race-Power-Ranking by Gsl Wins: 1.) Zerg [ 2 Wins ] 2.) Protoss [ 1 Win ] 3.) shared by Terran and Random [ 0 Wins ] Aside from it being quite amazing if all three races each won one out of the three GSLs that have happened so far, let's take a look at the far more relevant top 4 composition. GSL1: 1 Zerg 2 Terran 3 Terran 3 Terran GSL2: 1 Zerg 2 Terran 3 Terran 3 Terran GSL3: 1 Protoss 2 Terran 3 Terran 3 Protoss TOTALS: 1: 2 Zerg, 1 Protoss 2: 3 Terran 3: 5 Terran, 1 Protoss
round of 4 is where the real "pro gaming" begins. i agree with you in that. and there are more terran progamers then all other races. i agree with you here also.
but the fail-rate of terran is the highest! You see:
Out of 2 Zergs, 2 made it to champion (100%)
Out of 2 Protoss, 1 made champion (50%)
Out of 8(!) Terran, 0 became chapmion (0% out of 8!)
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