EPTHe's playing the Terran the way it was meant to be played. He's the future.
OGS MC was BRILLIANT. It seemed like he really understood Jinro's weaknesses on each map and had special builds for each.
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
He's playing the Terran the way it was meant to be played. He's the future. OGS MC was BRILLIANT. It seemed like he really understood Jinro's weaknesses on each map and had special builds for each. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
Jinro wasn't kidding when he said MC has a way better chance than him. I guess neither player is surprised by these results? | ||
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cordlc
United States360 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:10 Talin wrote: You can't analyze it just by listing the names. That's meaningless. If you want to look at it completely out of context like that, in the last 3 rounds Jinro beat an RTS pro gamer legend, a solid regular GSL player who knocked out the most legendary player ever, and a guy who was until recently #1 on Korean ladder (I'm unsure about this, I did catch somebody saying that on TL, so don't call me out on this one). Then he lost against the most dominating PvT player and probably the best player in the world right now. None of the guys Rain beat were at the top of their game and HongUn is by no means a top level player. Most importantly, what he actually showed in these games wasn't anywhere near impressive, disregarding any personal dislikes for "aggression" and all (which I don't really have myself). Well, I guess that was mainly for those who can't get past tournament results, because whenever people question how good Jinro actually is, tournament results (recent GSL, MLG Dallas) are shoved in our face. I agree you can't simply look at the players, but even if you did, Rain comes out on top. Moon hasn't proved himself in SC2, so his WC3 achievements are meaningless, and Polt hasn't done anything impressive. Not sure who the #1 on Korean ladder is, perhaps you mean choya, the guy who beat IMmvp (who was #1 for a while, currently #4). In context - I'll admit, Rain hasn't been all that impressive, other than a few good moments here and there. But what about Jinro? The macro based play that everyone loves Jinro for, hasn't actually been proven to work against the really top tier players. People liked his style against zerg, but the zerg playing were Moon and NEXDrug, neither of which played particularly well. We saw how Jinro struggled against choya, and guess what? His clearest victories were strong 1-base tactics (G1 with an SCV attack, G5 with cloak banshees). The fast expo in G2 nearly got him killed (or it should have, had choya played correctly). I think Korean Terran tend to go for strong 1-base plays because it is more reliable than the fast expo, not because they can't play macro games. I'd love to be proven wrong, but I doubt it'll happen. This is why I think Rain's TvP is stronger than Jinro's, he's known for early aggression, so the builds MC used would be far more risky to attempt. Anyway, not trying to "shit" on Jinro (unlike this guy dennis seems to be), I'm just annoyed at how people are trying to place the blame everywhere else, whether it's imbalance or discrediting MC for "cheesy" play. Just accept the fact that Jinro got outplayed - I'm sure Jinro has, he'll learn from the losses today and be a better player for it. At the very least, we can be certain he won't let what happened in game 1 ever repeat itself. Shit happens... and seeing as how he even got to RO4, it's hard to feel bad for him, with that he's already won more prize money than Idra. | ||
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k20
United States342 Posts
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Roezz
United States16 Posts
On December 11 2010 05:10 Newguy wrote: Problem is right now these aren't what cheeeses actually are......for instance, look at the 2 rax. Plenty of pros complain about these kind of cheeses because scouting them really doesn't make a difference, and there is basically no way to micro versus the initial marines with your non-speedlings, he just kites you and you watch lings die while struggling to get a spine crawler up and guess what they're transitioning into, because if you guess wrong, you lose. I agree. Cheese to a lot of people flat out means one person has an in game advantage simply by random choices the players make--absent of skill in any way. In some cases it does come down to micro, and it's part of the game; or in other cases it's proper scouting or responses. That's, to me, not cheese. The game is still complex enough it probably will take some time to see how it all plays out, and whether skill, build orders and other choices are sufficient to let either player properly respond. As to the finals as others said, right now they promise to be short matches where each player hopes they guess the right build early on or can pull off a miracle save. | ||
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Rflcrx
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tarian
United States67 Posts
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Barbiero
Brazil5259 Posts
Holy crap, was that a good PvT sense. MC is insane. Jinro couldn't to SHIT. The 4th game was hilarious tho. | ||
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Keef
United States30 Posts
http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/blog/1596320#blog | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
I don't think Jinro made a single mistake in the entire match. He had a number of build order disadvantages, but nothing wrong with his execution or decision making. The problem is MC also did not do anything wrong whatsoever with his execution or decision making either. MC played like he was in a completely different league than Jinro, he read him like a book, even blindly countering that Thor rush when necessary. There was no cheese, no all-ins, the probes never made an appearance, if any of MC's game-ending attacks had failed, he would not even had been at a disadvantage. He just executed very aggressive, early-game strategies, and he executed them perfectly. If MC plays even half as good as he did this match against Rain, he is going to just totally curbstomp Rain to the $87000. I'm not disappointed in Jinro, he played very well and got really far, he just simply ran into a brick wall in MC. If the semis were the other way around (HongUn vs Jinro and MC vs Rain), I feel we might have seen some longer games out of Jinro, but nevertheless he did extremely good this GSL and he should definitely be proud of that. | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
tarian United States. December 11 2010. It's pretty much impossible for mc to get as lucky as he did against jinro... rain will have a much better chance.. Game 1 was a bit of a fluke, but game 2, 3, and 4? How did oGsMC get "lucky?" As far as I could tell, MC played similar builds that HongUn used against Rain - the critical difference being that MC played them expertly, with incredible finesse. Game 4 was awesome, after 3 one-sided games we get treated to one nail-biter. (Edit: quoted wrong person) | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
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mikado
Australia407 Posts
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JazusZerg
24 Posts
Games 2 and 3 he just got outplayed. Damn MC is good.... And Game 4 was pretty much a BO loss, Jinro had a well-executed attack that got blind countered by MC. Just bad luck there... I wish the series had been longer so we got to see more play out of these excellent players, but I think no matter how many games they played MC would come out on top. He's just a beast man. Props to Jinro for playing an awesome tournament and showing the world that macro Terran is indeed possible. Jinro had a unique style of play that was not only successful, but more importantly added another dimension to a GSL that was otherwise pretty one-note. | ||
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khellian
Korea (South)922 Posts
Jinro, so damn proud of what you have done. Really representing Sweden and TL.Net in the best possible way. Looking forward to follow your future even more after this. GG | ||
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Rayjin
Germany205 Posts
I predict next season we will see more TL-player gain S-Rank in the GSL. | ||
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GP
United States1056 Posts
On December 11 2010 07:06 JazusZerg wrote:And Game 4 was pretty much a BO loss, Jinro had a well-executed attack that got blind countered by MC. Just bad luck there... BO loss? Jinro would have likely won if he protected his command center in the end. I think it was a weird game though and Jinro wasn't expecting it to go at all like that. Really I think MC got lucky that game, not because of his BO though, that's kind of a shallow response to how MC won. I think it was also quick thinking on MC's part to save enough money for a nexus after he saw the engineering bay go up in his base. He knew if he took out the Orb Command Jinro couldn't possibly win. | ||
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Davildo
Sweden21 Posts
For all that you've done for e-sport I sincerely thank you. Lycka till i framtiden. | ||
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