EPT[GSL] S3 Ro4 Day 2 - Page 130
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Benshin88
United States183 Posts
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dennisvreyes
175 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:19 Benshin88 wrote: Cheeses and all-ins are part of the game. It wouldn't be called a RTS if everybody macro-ed and attacked... Noobs just complain about cheeses cause they don't know how to micro against them. Plus, they don't scout as often. LEARN all the SCOUT timings!! and if an opponent attempts to cheese you... its almost always an auto-win. Are you saying Jinro is a NOOB? | ||
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Benshin88
United States183 Posts
no... i just said Noobs are people who complain about cheeses/all-ins = dumb/pathetic strategies. All-ins and cheeses are all fair game. It takes balls to implement them in a high level game. IE Fruitdealer 6 pooling in 1st season GSL game. Jinro scouts A LOT!!!! more so then most terrans. Jinro really plays reactionary but.... Jinro's weakest skillset is his micro. It clearly showed in his match with against MC. He was out-microed almost every battle. I think Jinro got to Round 4 because a lot of Koreans aren't used to a Terran playing macro/defensive throughout the entire game. Koreans are used to constant harasses. Jinro basically plays the best "western" style of the game. Nobody were used to it but MC understood his play b/c Jinro practiced excessively with the oGs clan. oGsMC basically monstered him because he knew his style and exploited it. He also knew that his micro > Jinro so why not do carefully timed attacks where micro becomes very important. | ||
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
He didn't say anything like that. + Show Spoiler + For example, the steppes game. Jinro microed his marines very poorly and let them die to zealots so he lost the game. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:18 dennisvreyes wrote: Jinro is nowhere near the good korean players. I mean seriously man. He can't even play minimum micro properly. sorry TL but its just the truth. He wet the blankets and played like crap. He should not be SClass or CodeS whatever. Not even close. He beat PoltPrime (who beat SlayerS_BoxeR, one of the most famous and best SC1 players ever), choyafOu (who beat IMvp who is #1 by far in the world ladder, and also beat IdrA) aswell as qualifying (alot of the pro/Sclass players did not). I hate alot and so do alot of people but they atleast have grounds to what they say. You're just trolling imo. JinrO proved he has great controll, micro and macro during some of his best games... but anyone can see he was not playing to the fullest during his games against MC; They were just not good. Be it he choked, had a bad day or was stressed those factors ofcourse play in as a progamer: But anyone can have a bad day and JinrO already earned his Srank so it doesn't matter as a whole. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:25 Benshin88 wrote: no... i just said Noobs are people who complain about cheeses/all-ins = dumb/pathetic strategies. All-ins and cheeses are all fair game. It takes balls to implement them in a high level game. IE Fruitdealer 6 pooling in 1st season GSL game. Jinro scouts A LOT!!!! more so then most terrans. Jinro really plays reactionary but.... Jinro's weakest skillset is his micro. It clearly showed in his match with against MC. He was out-microed almost every battle. hmm i really highly doubt micro was his issue those games. infact. Id pay to see anyone micro better. It had nothing to do with micro. | ||
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elementz
United States281 Posts
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Trentelshark
Canada385 Posts
Personally I think MC is going to smash Rain but who knows. I also think anyone with a level head can now see why a lot of people think that if Protoss gate units are ever buffed, something needs to be done about force field because that ability alone crippled Terran's ability to micro away from anything. All you can do is sit, watch and hope your army is still standing when they finally dissipate. MC shows a strong comprehension of Protoss as a whole and I think there's a lot of casual players out there QQing all the time about Protoss that could learn a lot from his pushes (not necessarily the timing but unit composition). | ||
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elementz
United States281 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:33 elementz wrote: Didn't he just Cheese genius? The finals will be who can play better of one base pretty much. So many people haven't seen that while MC starts off with hard pressure off 1 base, he has no problem pulling back and playing a solid macro game after if it doesn't kill off the opponent. Just watch MC vs MarineKing @ Jungle Basin | ||
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sOvrn
United States678 Posts
He's still a beast though and much props to him for having gone from not qualifying twice to going into RO4 taking on many great players on the way. What an awesome player!! | ||
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slappy
United States1271 Posts
Besides, what's the prize money for third place? Should still be a nice treat for him. And especially still being the first foreigner to make it into the semi finals is fuckin amazing. I hope he makes it to the finals next time | ||
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:18 dennisvreyes wrote: Jinro is nowhere near the good korean players. I mean seriously man. He can't even play minimum micro properly. sorry TL but its just the truth. He wet the blankets and played like crap. He should not be SClass or CodeS whatever. Not even close. Are you for real, or is this just a tongue-in-cheek post? Jinro beat a lot of great players to get to the round of 4. I'm baffled that there are people who are so into Starcraft that they know what Code S is, and still manage to come with these kinds of statements. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
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loladin
Norway184 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:47 slappy wrote: we still love you jinro! practice TvP against MC and rape everyone in GSL4!!! Besides, what's the prize money for third place? Should still be a nice treat for him. And especially still being the first foreigner to make it into the semi finals is fuckin amazing. I hope he makes it to the finals next time Round of 4 get aprox 8900 USD. And I definitely agree, making it to the semis of the GSL is no small feat. Jinro = Baller! | ||
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gongryong
Korea (South)1430 Posts
elementz United States. December 11 2010 04:35 Even Flash was 3-0'd by jeadong in gomTV classic is jeadong that much better or is flash bad? no he just was in a bad day. And liquid/oGs for this two was a team kill which is never nice. yes, flash is a terrible player and jaedong is just way much better. jaedong is simply having a bad day, or rather bad 3 SLs, kk.  JAEDONG fighting!!!seriously, not an ideal codeS entry for jinro, he is better than that, he just choked i think. i hope it makes him stronger. | ||
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NEOtheONE
United States2233 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:18 dennisvreyes wrote: Jinro is nowhere near the good korean players. I mean seriously man. He can't even play minimum micro properly. sorry TL but its just the truth. He wet the blankets and played like crap. He should not be SClass or CodeS whatever. Not even close. You sir, have a lot of nerve to come on Team Liquid and then proceed to dis Liquid Jinro | ||
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goswser
United States3519 Posts
On December 11 2010 04:19 Benshin88 wrote: Cheeses and all-ins are part of the game. It wouldn't be called a RTS if everybody macro-ed and attacked... Noobs just complain about cheeses cause they don't know how to micro against them. Plus, they don't scout as often. LEARN all the SCOUT timings!! and if an opponent attempts to cheese you... its almost always an auto-win. I sometimes feel like there should be a separate forum for higher level players... Problem is right now these aren't what cheeeses actually are......for instance, look at the 2 rax. Plenty of pros complain about these kind of cheeses because scouting them really doesn't make a difference, and there is basically no way to micro versus the initial marines with your non-speedlings, he just kites you and you watch lings die while struggling to get a spine crawler up and guess what they're transitioning into, because if you guess wrong, you lose. | ||
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RoccoZ
Denmark25 Posts
MC's attacks were timing attacks to pressure and he only committed to it, if it was at a winning situation, watch his other games vs July and hyperdub, he wasn't afraid of pulling back to live another day, also he won the macro war vs MarineKing and Julyzerg... oGsMC has only not been in the GSL much because he seems to have had a problem choking hard some games, maybe pressure or something, dunno, but he's an old sc1 pro right? he should be used to the booth, else if not used to it, he has now. Jinro is a great player no doubt, but his micro ain't at the same stage as MC's, in fact i do say few protoss players have as good micro as he does... the match at Sakuras plateau, it was pretty clear his multitasking with his individual units are pretty epic, he did everything right that Hongun prime failed at with his 3G SG pushes. | ||
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Elbowtko
United States2 Posts
On December 11 2010 02:03 Sapphire.lux wrote: If one base DT is not cheese and 3 gate stargate is not all in then what is? If you almost kill your opponent then yeh, you can transition out of it lol. Cannon rush is a all-in cheese, proxy two gate is also all-in cheese. A DT rush or 3 gate stargate is akin to a 2 port banshee, not a 6 pool or a 2 barracks pull off half my scvs. | ||
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