EPTHe even made it to the INTL News: http://www.tackfilm2.se/?id=1292005131236ID764
I'm sure we will see more of him in later seasons.
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Batch
Sweden692 Posts
He even made it to the INTL News: http://www.tackfilm2.se/?id=1292005131236ID764 I'm sure we will see more of him in later seasons. | ||
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Melix
United States89 Posts
Fast forward just a couple of weeks, and now OgsMC is the best Protoss in the world, and TvP looks completely imba (for the moment). It just goes to show, in a game this complicated, we don't really know anything just four months in. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
like Nestea that always 14 hatch, Jinro also always expand aiming for macro game and MC punish him for it also not lifting up his OC earlier in game 4 is really a bad decission in Jinro part for the final, Rain look quiet good in the semis, should be an interesting match | ||
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SuperJongMan
Jamaica11586 Posts
GJ! You're as successful as any white guy in the GSL ever! Hollaaa | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:27 Melix wrote: It's amazing how quickly people's opinions of the metagame and players change in such a short amount of time. Back in Ro32, when Rain knocked out Genius, tons of posters were saying that the Terran timing attacks against Protoss were OP. Jinro himself then entered the discussion, saying that he had talked to OgsMC, and that he didn't think it was OP at all. Many people dismissed MC's opinion on grounds that he wasn't as good a Protoss as Genius. Fast forward just a couple of weeks, and now OgsMC is the best Protoss in the world, and TvP looks completely imba (for the moment). It just goes to show, in a game this complicated, we don't really know anything just four months in. i think it's more of people coming up with excuses as to why their favorite lost ex: jinro got owned and now they're screaming that TvP is imbalanced rewind to last GSL when people were screaming that P was underpowered since no protosses made the final 4 I would take any whining about balance with a grain of salt | ||
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koppik
United States676 Posts
Basically, in order for a Terran to actually beat MC, the Terran needs to be very calm and deliberate with his army. | ||
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jinorazi
Korea (South)4948 Posts
i'm speechless every time i hear someone calling dt rush an all-in or 4gate a cheese... -,.- | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:27 Melix wrote: It's amazing how quickly people's opinions of the metagame and players change in such a short amount of time. Back in Ro32, when Rain knocked out Genius, tons of posters were saying that the Terran timing attacks against Protoss were OP. Jinro himself then entered the discussion, saying that he had talked to OgsMC, and that he didn't think it was OP at all. Many people dismissed MC's opinion on grounds that he wasn't as good a Protoss as Genius. Fast forward just a couple of weeks, and now OgsMC is the best Protoss in the world, and TvP looks completely imba (for the moment). It just goes to show, in a game this complicated, we don't really know anything just four months in. It's probably more that alot of people base their entire view of the game/players on what has happened in the last 24 hours  | ||
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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dukethegold
Canada5645 Posts
Would have been pretty epic. But that's in 20/20 hindsight.  I also thought MC would have tried to play a macro game with Jinro after gaining a 2-0 or 3-0 lead. But I can't really blame MC either. >_< | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:39 jinorazi wrote: i think there needs to be a TL.net headline thats explains what all-in and cheese is. i'm speechless every time i hear someone calling dt rush an all-in or 4gate a cheese... -,.- the sad thing is, there has been such a post -.- | ||
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KissBlade
United States5718 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:42 dukethegold wrote: I also thought MC would have tried to play a macro game with Jinro after gaining a 2-0 or 3-0 lead. But I can't really blame MC either. >_< You mean like his pressure into expo build? Honestly, this is exactly what I meant earlier about how these forums are on the decline and slowly shaping into what we see on bnet. People comment with almost zero knowledge of competitive RTS when tl.net used to be THE site for high level SC play (that wasn't korean), Building nothing and playing passive while slowly expanding is NOT Starcraft. Maybe it is in paradise SCII bronze league but it's not how the game was played. If I watch e-sports I want to see action back and forth from the get go. FFS, some posters here act as if we should be playing on practice mode where game speed is slower and there are destructible rocks in the way between bases. Apparently we all want to see "NR20 minutes" and call it a "macro game". Hell let's even host it on BGH. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:33 awu25 wrote: i think it's more of people coming up with excuses as to why their favorite lost ex: jinro got owned and now they're screaming that TvP is imbalanced rewind to last GSL when people were screaming that P was underpowered since no protosses made the final 4 I would take any whining about balance with a grain of salt exactly I wouldn't respond to this by saying there's an issue with the matchup, I'd respond to it by saying the problem toss seemed to be complaining about (at least the toss I know) doesn't exist. | ||
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Johnny_Vegas
United States239 Posts
Say what you will, but when Zerg won the GSL twice, it definitely detracted from the opinion of Zerg as being too weak. We are starting to see these exceptional performances by players using units differently/better and developing new tactics that seem to reveal that game balance is much better than people thought. More than anything I think we've seen that exceptional individual skill and creativity can overcome any game balance issues that their might be. (this isn't to say that Blizzard should stop trying to balance the game by any means) A few specific examples: -Foxer dominating zerg with pure marines, single handedly making banes go from overpowered to underpowered. -Jinro showing terrans can win in the late game. -MC making force field look overpowered by completely nullifying bunker repair. -Several GSL protoss winning games with really fast Dark Templar builds, showing that even with their long tech path they are viable. -CheckPrime showing how to properly use a smaller army of roach/speedlings to dissect Zealot/Stalkers by kiting zeals until he can get separation, then using lings to surround the stalkers (generally avoiding zealots vs lings). -HongUn showing that Carriers can be incorporated into your army, and they can dominate MMM. -FruitDealer showing how to incorporate baneling drops and burrowed banelings into a Zerg game plan. -Ret showing that a higher level of zerg macro exists than any other pro had yet demonstrated. -GuineaPig showing that "Sky Protoss" is a powerful style, even after many in the community dismissed Void Rays as being underpowered since their last nerf. It is my belief that the greatest balancing factor of them all is the human brain itself (well... and concussive shells). What race you pick gives you a collection of tools and the incredibly powerful and complex human brain can overcome weaknesses in this tool set and use them differently or in different combinations to achieve victory. Having proper motivation for this to occur is a huge factor, and feeling you have inferior tools can be really motivating. Put two men of similar fighting skill in a colosseum, give one a club and one a sword. Give them each a week to prepare for their fight. I guarantee you the man with the club, knowing he's disadvantaged will be more creative in thinking of ways to use his inferior weapon. His only chance at victory is to reduce the imbalance that exists between the two weapons by using his weapon better. This is what happened to FruitDealer in GSL season 1. Everyone was down on zerg (at the time roach range was 3 and terran early game was much stronger), there was no option of switching races at that point, so he was stuck with the tools he had. In a series of creative play, his brain made up the difference, doing things that other zergs just didn't do, and doing them better. That is what is happening to oGsMC right now. He's the gladiator in the arena fighting with something that might be a club, or it might be a sword, there is no way of telling which, because his mind is the dominant weapon. | ||
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Vari
United States532 Posts
On December 11 2010 03:54 KissBlade wrote: You mean like his pressure into expo build? Honestly, this is exactly what I meant earlier about how these forums are on the decline and slowly shaping into what we see on bnet. People comment with almost zero knowledge of competitive RTS when tl.net used to be THE site for high level SC play (that wasn't korean), Building nothing and playing passive while slowly expanding is NOT Starcraft. Maybe it is in paradise SCII bronze league but it's not how the game was played. If I watch e-sports I want to see action back and forth from the get go. FFS, some posters here act as if we should be playing on practice mode where game speed is slower and there are destructible rocks in the way between bases. Apparently we all want to see "NR20 minutes" and call it a "macro game". Hell let's even host it on BGH. yeah, fast expands aren't the only way to expand. | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
On December 10 2010 22:12 ZeNd0kUn wrote: I didn't get to see game 1 but from what I heard, MC got some early Zealots into Jinro's base and when followed by stalkers just won the game there. Game 2 both actually expand. Catch is MC expands with zealots and sentries which is kind of vulnerable to Marines and Marauders. But Jinro doesn't attack and sets up bunkers at expo with a decent amount of MMs. As soon as MC gets expo up, he warps in stalkers non stop, plants a proxy pylon near the hidden grass of xelnaga expo and as soon as he likes his unit numbers FFs the bunkers and just attacks headlong into the Terran fortress. Turns out Jinro's defences were inadequate and had to lift the CC off the expo only to be shot down by some sentries and stalkers. Jinro is totally behind in the eco game and when reinforcement arrives MC just goes up the ramp and finishes the game. Game 3 Cross positions on Shakuras led to think it would be a Macro game. Jinro opens up with a tech barracks and sends a reaper into the base. But reaper misses the stargate I think. Jinro expands as usual with some MM support and even some turrets. But soon MC arrives with 2 VRs and some gateway units. Charges up on structures in main base and Forcefields ramp when army goes up to defend. Basic Void Ray push and FFing the ramp play which was executed very well that Jinro couldn't defend and lost the game as more VRs come in. Game 4 Jinro Thor rushes and MC DT rushes and ends up in a base trade with MC being lucky to get enough money to build an expo whereas Jinro had to build up an emergency Ebay and turrets which made him unable to make a CC so he loses. The most exciting game of the series. It's actually impossible to do any sort of aggression when there are that many sentries. The only mistake jinro made was not knowing this strat can shut down an expansion. | ||
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Nearsite00
United States31 Posts
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PheNOM_
United States417 Posts
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IAttackYou
United States330 Posts
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dennisvreyes
175 Posts
He can't even play minimum micro properly. sorry TL but its just the truth. He wet the blankets and played like crap. He should not be SClass or CodeS whatever. Not even close. | ||
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