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On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote: I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds... 2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo 11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses
He would still have a better chance at winning then going "Fuck it, Ill just lose this game." I dont know why you guys don't understand this...
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On December 06 2010 19:38 Gigaudas wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote: people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked
not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked
nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2 Just randomly quoting this so that people like sleepingdog see it.
Tbh I don't really care since I play protoss, I have my own stuff to worry about, I'll definitely won't participate in the zerg vs terrn QQ-battle.
But basic RTS-experience from more than 10 years of gaming tells me, that 2 production building super-aggression is SUPPOSED to beat a hatch/nexu/cc/whateveritscalled at natural first. I've seen many players go 14 gas 14 pool and be fine against this. I won't say any more to this, it's way too annoying, since - again - I don't really care about TvZ.
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On December 06 2010 19:39 zemiron wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:35 zak wrote: i used to hate this all in stuff but I understand why terran does it. Mid game and late game you cannot stop zerg unless you are at least on par with bases. once zerg can mass banelings the game is over. perfect micro is needed and you just cant have perfect marine micro every game. Too many variables. Blizz needs to work on this so we can have more even macro games. my 2 cents. If Jinro can win a macro game against zergs, then I expect these Korean Terrans who are supposed to be the best in the world to do it as well.
exactly. I loved that macro game jinro played against Liberty aka moon. But like I said, Jinro was on par with moons bases, and jinro even had the gold. Thus he could macro. Even then the game was close.
I am a zerg and if a terran is just doing two base play I will never lose unless he does a timing attack before my mutas and banes are numerous. But it is so easy to delay terrans third with muta harass while you are putting down two extra hatches and massing banes.
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Speedlings kill about 10 marines, impromptou wall at nat broken by speedlings which are now in the main
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On December 06 2010 19:47 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:46 Jyvblamo wrote:On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote: I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds... Terran can just scout you... and choose to not all in and throw down a CC instead. -_- So you can go into a macro game pretty much even... doesn't sound bad to me. 11 pooling doesn't exactly put Z on even footing with even a 2raxing terran. You become really weak against the kind of 2-base timing push MVP did vs Idra on Metal, Nestea vs Maka on LT.
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Rain seems to make weird decisions after 5 minutes into the game.
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If zerg gets a close position he needs to fe at his choke.
If terran gets a far position he needs to make three OC with mules to over come economy
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On December 06 2010 19:49 ZapRoffo wrote: Speedlings kill about 10 marines, impromptou wall at nat broken by speedlings which are now in the main That is never a good sign
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Fail timing push. I don't think he even considered the rush distances.
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On December 06 2010 19:48 ThePieRate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote: I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds... 2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo 11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses He would still have a better chance at winning then going "Fuck it, Ill just lose this game." I dont know why you guys don't understand this... Nestea was in no way dead in the water vs the rax when he went hatch-first. He could have been in a good position if he micro'd better.
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should have 2rax allin, now he's so far behind it's as good as over
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Nestea already has 3rd base going up, massing lings and +1 melee. Rain finally mining from nat again.
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how did this terran make it to the ro8? he doesn't seem very good
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On December 06 2010 19:48 ThePieRate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote: I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds... 2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo 11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses He would still have a better chance at winning then going "Fuck it, Ill just lose this game." I dont know why you guys don't understand this... Amen. What is better? Auto loss vs going into mid game slightly behind where there is more time to take advantage of your opponent making a mistake.
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God, Nestea is just fooling around with Rain.
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kyrix style aggression here.
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that was pretty sweet by nestea. Got the 3rd stopped drone production, pumped some lings. Butchered marines rofl.
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Uggghhh Rain is going to have to get reeeaally lucky to win this series.
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