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ThePieRate
Profile Joined September 2010
United States263 Posts
December 06 2010 10:48 GMT
#561
On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote:
I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds...


2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo

11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses


He would still have a better chance at winning then going "Fuck it, Ill just lose this game." I dont know why you guys don't understand this...
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
December 06 2010 10:48 GMT
#562
On December 06 2010 19:38 Gigaudas wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Just randomly quoting this so that people like sleepingdog see it.


Tbh I don't really care since I play protoss, I have my own stuff to worry about, I'll definitely won't participate in the zerg vs terrn QQ-battle.

But basic RTS-experience from more than 10 years of gaming tells me, that 2 production building super-aggression is SUPPOSED to beat a hatch/nexu/cc/whateveritscalled at natural first. I've seen many players go 14 gas 14 pool and be fine against this. I won't say any more to this, it's way too annoying, since - again - I don't really care about TvZ.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
December 06 2010 10:48 GMT
#563
On December 06 2010 19:39 zemiron wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:35 zak wrote:
i used to hate this all in stuff but I understand why terran does it. Mid game and late game you cannot stop zerg unless you are at least on par with bases. once zerg can mass banelings the game is over. perfect micro is needed and you just cant have perfect marine micro every game. Too many variables. Blizz needs to work on this so we can have more even macro games. my 2 cents.


If Jinro can win a macro game against zergs, then I expect these Korean Terrans who are supposed to be the best in the world to do it as well.



exactly. I loved that macro game jinro played against Liberty aka moon. But like I said, Jinro was on par with moons bases, and jinro even had the gold. Thus he could macro. Even then the game was close.

I am a zerg and if a terran is just doing two base play I will never lose unless he does a timing attack before my mutas and banes are numerous. But it is so easy to delay terrans third with muta harass while you are putting down two extra hatches and massing banes.
You know how to gain a victory, but not use it - maharbal
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#564
Speedlings kill about 10 marines, impromptou wall at nat broken by speedlings which are now in the main
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#565
On December 06 2010 19:47 Shikyo wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:46 Jyvblamo wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote:
I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds...

Terran can just scout you... and choose to not all in and throw down a CC instead. -_-

So you can go into a macro game pretty much even... doesn't sound bad to me.

11 pooling doesn't exactly put Z on even footing with even a 2raxing terran. You become really weak against the kind of 2-base timing push MVP did vs Idra on Metal, Nestea vs Maka on LT.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#566
terran already lost....
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#567
Rain seems to make weird decisions after 5 minutes into the game.
It's more important to be tough than to have any fun.
TributeBoxer
Profile Joined November 2010
United States163 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#568
If zerg gets a close position he needs to fe at his choke.

If terran gets a far position he needs to make three OC with mules to over come economy

"Violence and corruption, seldom strangers to the human scene, appear to be increasing today."
NeoLearner
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Belgium1847 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#569
On December 06 2010 19:49 ZapRoffo wrote:
Speedlings kill about 10 marines, impromptou wall at nat broken by speedlings which are now in the main

That is never a good sign
Bankai - Correlation does not imply causation
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#570
Fail timing push. I don't think he even considered the rush distances.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#571
On December 06 2010 19:48 ThePieRate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote:
I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds...


2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo

11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses


He would still have a better chance at winning then going "Fuck it, Ill just lose this game." I dont know why you guys don't understand this...

Nestea was in no way dead in the water vs the rax when he went hatch-first. He could have been in a good position if he micro'd better.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
December 06 2010 10:49 GMT
#572
should have 2rax allin, now he's so far behind it's as good as over
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#573
Game over me thinks.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#574
Nestea already has 3rd base going up, massing lings and +1 melee.
Rain finally mining from nat again.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#575
how did this terran make it to the ro8? he doesn't seem very good
brood war for life, brood war forever
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#576
On December 06 2010 19:48 ThePieRate wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote:
I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds...


2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo

11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses


He would still have a better chance at winning then going "Fuck it, Ill just lose this game." I dont know why you guys don't understand this...

Amen. What is better? Auto loss vs going into mid game slightly behind where there is more time to take advantage of your opponent making a mistake.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#577
God, Nestea is just fooling around with Rain.
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#578
kyrix style aggression here.
AmaZing
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Nepal299 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-06 10:50:54
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#579
that was pretty sweet by nestea. Got the 3rd stopped drone production, pumped some lings. Butchered marines rofl.
ಠ_ಠ
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 06 2010 10:50 GMT
#580
Uggghhh Rain is going to have to get reeeaally lucky to win this series.
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