EPT[GSL] S3 Ro8 Day 1 - Page 28
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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ThePieRate
United States263 Posts
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positron.
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On December 06 2010 19:45 Lann555 wrote: Ye, the big problem with that style is that a Zerg who reacts properly will just take the map and tech quickly to Broodlords instead of investing too much in troops. Once Broodlords come out, Jinro's marine/tank mix just gets stomped hard. Maybe Jinro has a solution for that problem but Ill believe it when I see it Let's hope he makes it to the final so we can see his TvZ. | ||
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:45 Lann555 wrote: Ye, the big problem with that style is that a Zerg who reacts properly will just take the map and tech quickly to Broodlords instead of investing too much in troops. Once Broodlords come out, Jinro's marine/tank mix just gets stomped hard. Maybe Jinro has a solution for that problem but Ill believe it when I see it Jinro is very good at reacting to his opponent, so I figure he'll have a response by the time brood lords are out. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:42 Zaka wrote: When even people like FruitDealer say that the TvZ match-up is favoured towards Zerg, especially mid-game and beyond, then why do people get so whiny in here when Terran decides to finish the game early on? Probably because all these marine+scv all-ins are painful to watch and nowhere as entertaining as the long, drawn-out macro TvZs that occasionally occur. I think most people think that macro-style is the proper way to play SC, though cheese will always be part of the game. | ||
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote: I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds... Terran can just scout you... and choose to not all in and throw down a CC instead. -_- | ||
Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:43 ZapRoffo wrote: Pool first can defend the super early scv all-in, but it loses to the later mass marine buildup because of production. There's not much difference in production, and I'm always of the opinion that it's better to just survive, even with a disadvantage, because the later the game lasts the more chances the opponent has of making mistakes. | ||
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Mainland
Canada551 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:41 blade55555 wrote: Yup agreed I don't understand how people here don't understand that pool first isn't any better as you have less larva like you said and your behind economically if the terran player plops down an expo. You know your in a bad spot when terran starts his expo before you :/ This argument is incorrect. Pool first with queen has pretty much the same larva production as hatch first. source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117908 You can't say hatch first has an economic advantage when it forces zerg to take 6-10 drones off mining to defend. | ||
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Sylvr
United States524 Posts
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote: I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds... 2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo 11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
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LoLAdriankat
United States4307 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:46 Sylvr wrote: O.o GomTV said that today's live tickets were sold out, but tomorrow's were available. I wanted to watch Jinro anyway, so I went ahead and bought tomorrow's. Somehow, it gave me access to today's show. I'll take it! It's free to watch the GSL live in standard quality. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:46 Jyvblamo wrote: Terran can just scout you... and choose to not all in and throw down a CC instead. -_- So you can go into a macro game pretty much even... doesn't sound bad to me. | ||
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Gudeldar
United States1200 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:46 iEchoic wrote: I have a hard time believing TvZ steppes is an autoloss considering Nestea held off Foxer's allin on Metal close positions, which is almost exactly the same rush distance. Its not always an autoloss but you need pretty much perfect control to survive. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:43 Moonwrath wrote: I still don't see how hatch first is better. You pull all your drones off of mining anyway so you can't even use all your larva anyway. Pool first get a spinecrawler, then get an in base hatch if you need the larva so badly. Expand once you defend everything. It's certainly a lot safer than trying to hatch first against someone that is rushing you. It just makes no sense when you know some kind of very fast rush is coming to go for an econ build as opposed to a defensive build. I think no one can explain you why hatch first better. You need to play more and watch more high level games. Day 9 is great in explaining these stuff, timings, BO, eco-management so on. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:46 Shikyo wrote: There's not much difference in production, and I'm always of the opinion that it's better to just survive, even with a disadvantage, because the later the game lasts the more chances the opponent has of making mistakes. The problem is its not a small disadvantage. Your at a huge disadvantage as he'll just bunker your ramp and plop down an expo. There is a huge difference and really if your praying to win on your opponent making mistakes thats never good! | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On December 06 2010 19:46 iEchoic wrote: I have a hard time believing TvZ steppes is an autoloss considering Fruit held off Foxer's allin on Metal close positions, which is almost exactly the same rush distance. Nestea's micro today on it was very poor. | ||
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