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lol.Donkament
Profile Joined June 2010
Malta50 Posts
December 06 2010 10:43 GMT
#521
the solution for zerg on step of war is to put Hatch in the base like madfrog do ...
Elite741
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19 Posts
December 06 2010 10:43 GMT
#522
Anyone got a stream other than gom?
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
December 06 2010 10:43 GMT
#523
On December 06 2010 19:40 nK)Duke wrote:
too much minerals, they get kicked quickly, they take too long to finish. Could at least make 8 more lings


8 lings << 2 spines. Marines and scv's are actually very bad against spines, especially when you protect them with drones. I really want to see ret his opinion on the fast spines when you scout 2rax.
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
December 06 2010 10:43 GMT
#524
On December 06 2010 19:43 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:39 TehForce wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Listen to ret. All those non-zerg players telling us just to pool first and we would be fine should get a practice partner and try that on steppes. then we talk again

If you pool-first early enough, the first inject will come before you're dead. Also, 14 gas-pool can hold this pretty well.

Pool first can defend the super early scv all-in, but it loses to the later mass marine buildup because of production.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Treadmill
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada2833 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#525
On December 06 2010 19:42 Boneyard.au wrote:
you know, out of all these games Terran has NEVER EVER scouted the gold position on Steppes.

What if some sneaky zerg player will say HAH! I shall take a gambit and go for gold, Terran walts into zerg main thinks AHA! he is on 1 base I shall win and then KABAM he gets crushed due to a very unexpected expo (probably would have to pool first and have an early drone at gold to create an illusion of no FE for zerg when SCV comes into main)

Except, a smart player would see no tech or anything and realize that there must be a hidden expo somewhere.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#526
On December 06 2010 19:43 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:39 TehForce wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Listen to ret. All those non-zerg players telling us just to pool first and we would be fine should get a practice partner and try that on steppes. then we talk again

If you pool-first early enough, the first inject will come before you're dead. Also, 14 gas-pool can hold this pretty well.


If you read what Ret said if you do that you are in a position to be bunker blocked at ramp (on most maps with it) which your not gonna break with just zerglings
When I think of something else, something will go here
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#527
On December 06 2010 19:43 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:39 TehForce wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Listen to ret. All those non-zerg players telling us just to pool first and we would be fine should get a practice partner and try that on steppes. then we talk again

If you pool-first early enough, the first inject will come before you're dead. Also, 14 gas-pool can hold this pretty well.

Have fun getting wall-inned because you pooled first.
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#528
On December 06 2010 19:43 Greentellon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:42 Pudge_172 wrote:
Really???


I don't do sarcasm.


You don't do humor or reality either.
Diablo 3 Blog Me & My Mom http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=336890
Lucius2
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany548 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#529
On December 06 2010 19:43 Moonwrath wrote:
I still don't see how hatch first is better. You pull all your drones off of mining anyway so you can't even use all your larva anyway. Pool first get a spinecrawler, then get an in base hatch if you need the larva so badly. Expand once you defend everything. It's certainly a lot safer than trying to hatch first against someone that is rushing you. It just makes no sense when you know some kind of very fast rush is coming to go for an econ build as opposed to a defensive build.


the theorycrafter has arrived
Shakes
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia557 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#530
On December 06 2010 19:42 Boneyard.au wrote:
you know, out of all these games Terran has NEVER EVER scouted the gold position on Steppes.

What if some sneaky zerg player will say HAH! I shall take a gambit and go for gold, Terran walts into zerg main thinks AHA! he is on 1 base I shall win and then KABAM he gets crushed due to a very unexpected expo (probably would have to pool first and have an early drone at gold to create an illusion of no FE for zerg when SCV comes into main)


Because the terran is going to scout no pool and no hatch and say "well I guess this previous GSL winner is herp derping and just saving all his minerals".
_vladimir_
Profile Joined September 2010
Serbia530 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#531
On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Quoting for 10th time for truth.

And this is one of reasons why this site is full of win, people from team, pro players, actualy bother to post here

But biggest win wa Jinro post GO MC, when MC won RO 16, while he was waiting in box for his own game
MC:" 2nd game i all in, he drone he drone, me win."
Frazzlehoon
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3455 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#532
TASTELESS LAID AROUND?

(Taken out of context obviously. ;])
LoLAdriankat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States4307 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#533
"All-in me on Steppes of War? Okay, I'll take the loss. Welcome to Shakuras Plateau, BITCH."
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#534
NesTea getting good spawn locations. IdrA needs these.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
Tx-MisfiT
Profile Joined February 2008
United States283 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#535
Nestea needs to finish this quickly, I want to see some protoss.
superjoppe
Profile Joined December 2004
Sweden3694 Posts
December 06 2010 10:44 GMT
#536
On December 06 2010 19:43 Elite741 wrote:
Anyone got a stream other than gom?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174576&currentpage=7#140
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
December 06 2010 10:45 GMT
#537
On December 06 2010 19:43 Gudeldar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:41 Lann555 wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:39 zemiron wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:35 zak wrote:
i used to hate this all in stuff but I understand why terran does it. Mid game and late game you cannot stop zerg unless you are at least on par with bases. once zerg can mass banelings the game is over. perfect micro is needed and you just cant have perfect marine micro every game. Too many variables. Blizz needs to work on this so we can have more even macro games. my 2 cents.


If Jinro can win a macro game against zergs, then I expect these Korean Terrans who are supposed to be the best in the world to do it as well.


I'm not convinced that style is viable untill he pulls it off vs a top-level zerg which Moon is not. Moon played very poorly in their series and failed to capitalize on Jinro's passive play. He never even got hive up in either game


True, if he can pull that style off against NesTea or FruitDealer then I will believe its possible. I don't think I've ever seen a Terran survive the Brood Lord/Ultralisk tech switch.


Ye, the big problem with that style is that a Zerg who reacts properly will just take the map and tech quickly to Broodlords instead of investing too much in troops. Once Broodlords come out, Jinro's marine/tank mix just gets stomped hard. Maybe Jinro has a solution for that problem but Ill believe it when I see it
Fantasy Fan! Gogogo vultures
Pudge_172
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1378 Posts
December 06 2010 10:45 GMT
#538
Production tab at 1:26
Diablo 3 Blog Me & My Mom http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=336890
SpeaKEaSY
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1070 Posts
December 06 2010 10:45 GMT
#539
MKPrime beat Nestea in the same positions on this map...
Aim for perfection, settle for mediocrity - KawaiiRice 2014
SayfT
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia298 Posts
December 06 2010 10:45 GMT
#540
On December 06 2010 19:44 Treadmill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:42 Boneyard.au wrote:
you know, out of all these games Terran has NEVER EVER scouted the gold position on Steppes.

What if some sneaky zerg player will say HAH! I shall take a gambit and go for gold, Terran walts into zerg main thinks AHA! he is on 1 base I shall win and then KABAM he gets crushed due to a very unexpected expo (probably would have to pool first and have an early drone at gold to create an illusion of no FE for zerg when SCV comes into main)

Except, a smart player would see no tech or anything and realize that there must be a hidden expo somewhere.



Hence why I said it might have to be pool first to make sure that Terran does not suspect an FE, bolded it out in my quote
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