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AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
December 06 2010 10:52 GMT
#601
On December 06 2010 19:50 ilbh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:43 Shikyo wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:39 TehForce wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Listen to ret. All those non-zerg players telling us just to pool first and we would be fine should get a practice partner and try that on steppes. then we talk again

If you pool-first early enough, the first inject will come before you're dead. Also, 14 gas-pool can hold this pretty well.



you don't want to get into a long game with economically disadvantage in the beginning of a Bo5.

like Ret said, Terran can lay down a CC and be ahead


So let him make that decision to place a cc and get ahead instead of instalosing to any scv-push...
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
ktimekiller
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States690 Posts
December 06 2010 10:52 GMT
#602
On December 06 2010 19:51 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:43 Shikyo wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:39 TehForce wrote:
On December 06 2010 19:36 Liquid`Ret wrote:
people who keep talking about 'hatch first' really don't have a clue.. 2 rax constant marines dominates pool first so bad because there's only so few larve off 1 hatch untill after the first queen inject...the marines can just push you back non stop till that first inject finishes and you are in danger of being bunker blocked

not to mention you have to blindly make ~20 lings in that case so if terran just stops after 5 mariens and puts down a CC you are economically fucked

nestea fucked up his drone/ling control pretty bad there but hatch first is the only choice really...hency why steppes is auto loss vs terran, im sure nestea expected to lose set 2


Listen to ret. All those non-zerg players telling us just to pool first and we would be fine should get a practice partner and try that on steppes. then we talk again

If you pool-first early enough, the first inject will come before you're dead. Also, 14 gas-pool can hold this pretty well.

So, I see you are still convinced you know better than Ret...


This is really one of the reason why the pros complain about the quality of TL posts particularly in the strategy section
Astromonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United States111 Posts
December 06 2010 10:52 GMT
#603
lol @ "see if he can completely out-micro NesTea here" -- good luck with that Rain
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
December 06 2010 10:52 GMT
#604
Baneling speed hasn't even started artosis.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Melancholia
Profile Joined March 2010
United States717 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#605
On December 06 2010 19:46 ktimekiller wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:45 ThePieRate wrote:
I don't why you wouldnt go for a very early pool like 11 or 12, if everyone is saying that 2 rax is basically a auto win on steppes. He could easily get a spine up before the rush starts or would have to stall him for like 10 seconds...


2rax can transition into a SAFE fast expo

11 pooler with lings gets fucked and loses

11 pool gives you a very fast Queen and thus a very fast first round of larva. The early larva advantage can go into either Lings or Drones, giving you faster defense or a better economy than a late pool.

Unrelated to that, "good micro" with the marines? *I* could have done that...
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#606
Lol trapped himself instead.
GANDHISAUCE
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#607
On December 06 2010 19:52 Astromonkey wrote:
lol @ "see if he can completely out-micro NesTea here" -- good luck with that Rain


NesTea doesn't have good micro..
Nickgazord
Profile Joined June 2010
United States64 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#608
*facepalm* god nestea your micro.
"i dont think any amount of nerves will make someone scout with a Zealot" JP
Elite741
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#609
Any restream anywhere?
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#610
Production tab ff sake's ><
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#611
Rain kills overlords, has a decent marine force, then traps a lot of speedlings in a corner, kills them, banelings come to the cornered marines don't kill all, but kills a bunch. Definitely cost effective for rain but Nestea has the economy.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
December 06 2010 10:53 GMT
#612
Rain can't stim forever, he needs some Medivacs
zak
Profile Joined April 2010
Korea (South)1009 Posts
December 06 2010 10:54 GMT
#613
On December 06 2010 19:39 Angra wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:35 zak wrote:
i used to hate this all in stuff but I understand why terran does it. Mid game and late game you cannot stop zerg unless you are at least on par with bases. once zerg can mass banelings the game is over. perfect micro is needed and you just cant have perfect marine micro every game. Too many variables. Blizz needs to work on this so we can have more even macro games. my 2 cents.


Totally agree.

Everyone complaining about "noob all in terrans" need to realize that it's ridiculously hard to out-macro an unharassed, competent zerg in mid/late game unless you get some kind of tremendous advantage at some point. But that's what happens when Blizzard balances the game around maps like Steppes of War and Deltra Quadrant, I guess, and thinks that zerg is weak in general when there's a 2 second rush distance.



yup and once zerg has a hundred banes there is no ground army that will stop it. thors, tanks, marauders, it dont matter...banes are just so easy to mass on 3 base and the terran needs gosu micro to defend. and that is IF the marines are not on creep and not being flanked.

lol just look at this game. nestea is just massing banes and delaying while droning up. terran just lost all his marines and has to re-arm..losing valuable time to put pressure on zerg. it is so gg. no way terran can win this now.
You know how to gain a victory, but not use it - maharbal
killerkoala
Profile Joined October 2010
518 Posts
December 06 2010 10:54 GMT
#614
banelings aren't fat!

they're just big boned
Panda Bear guy is PISSED
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 06 2010 10:54 GMT
#615
On December 06 2010 19:53 Fa1nT wrote:
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On December 06 2010 19:52 Astromonkey wrote:
lol @ "see if he can completely out-micro NesTea here" -- good luck with that Rain


NesTea doesn't have good micro..

Most of Zerg don't.

ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
December 06 2010 10:54 GMT
#616
70 - 40 workers.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
December 06 2010 10:54 GMT
#617
Whoa 66 drones!
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 06 2010 10:54 GMT
#618
Still, 3 base mules is pretty important as well.
I had a good night of sleep.
Irrelevant
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2364 Posts
December 06 2010 10:55 GMT
#619
really can't allow zerg to get that FE or you're behind all game
Astromonkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United States111 Posts
December 06 2010 10:55 GMT
#620
On December 06 2010 19:53 Fa1nT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2010 19:52 Astromonkey wrote:
lol @ "see if he can completely out-micro NesTea here" -- good luck with that Rain


NesTea doesn't have good micro..

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean Rain's going to outmicro him. With the way Rain's playing, relying on micro isn't going to get very far, actually it just failed.
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