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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 04 2010 20:05 GMT
#281
As his teammate I just posted a neutral opinion, because anyone will say I am biased!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 04 2010 20:07 GMT
#282
On December 05 2010 04:59 RmpL wrote:
Show nested quote +
It's easy to blame BNet for this, but let's not forget that ESL has quite the track record of royally screwing up live events. Basically every ESL event I can recall had one major technical issue at least



What are they supposed to do to prevent PC Crashes ? ..


They could employ a Feng Shui consultant!
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
fishinguy
Profile Joined November 2010
Russian Federation798 Posts
December 04 2010 20:07 GMT
#283
Is demu doing something strange with his keyboard?
Mattes
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1116 Posts
December 04 2010 20:09 GMT
#284
Def-Win for DeMU
"Eyo lesson' here, Bey. You're comin' at the king, you best not miss."
mdma-_-
Profile Joined October 2010
Nauru1213 Posts
December 04 2010 20:09 GMT
#285
def win for demu : 0
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
December 04 2010 20:10 GMT
#286
I am happy with that decision!
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
December 04 2010 20:11 GMT
#287
makes me happy!
ben fighting!
우리는 대-한민국입니다
jayt88
Profile Joined July 2010
Singapore97 Posts
December 04 2010 20:12 GMT
#288
yup, definitely the right decision made by the admins. Glad there is still a reasonable justice system in the ESL league.
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 20:19:32
December 04 2010 20:18 GMT
#289
The ESL fails to provide smoothly running PCs to the competitors, so Goody's chance to win the game has been taken away by the ESL.
Was Demu ahead at this point? Hell, yes. Would he have won the game? Most likely. Definifively? No.
Would they have also given Goody the default win if the game would have crashed 10 minutes earlier? Because, at that point, it was the other way around: Goody was way ahead.
Remember Dreamhack's Morrow vs. Mana, when Day9 kicked his PC? People were screaming "zomfg Morrow way ahead, need defwin", and in the end Mana won the game.
The screaming for defaultwins is pathetic and pitiful, even in online tournaments. And when it comes to professional gaming, with thousands of Euros or Dollars on the line, there is no way eSports can be taken seriously when a game is being decided because the frikking event host, a multimillion Euro company, fails to provide a stable running PC for a player.
This is ridiculous, this is unspeakably outraging.
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
December 04 2010 20:19 GMT
#290
heh, casters not explicility mentioning the hidden expo because of the hearing issue, I like that
beep boop
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 04 2010 20:21 GMT
#291
On December 05 2010 05:18 zere wrote:
The ESL fails to provide smoothly running PCs to the competitors, so Goody's chance to win the game has been taken away by the ESL.
Was Demu ahead at this point? Hell, yes. Would he have won the game? Most likely. Definifively? No.
Would they have also given Goody the default win if the game would have crashed 10 minutes earlier? Because, at that point, it was the other way around: Goody was way ahead.
Remember Dreamhack's Morrow vs. Mana, when Day9 kicked his PC? People were screaming "zomfg Morrow way ahead, need defwin", and in the end Mana won the game.
The screaming for defaultwins is pathetic and pitiful, even in online tournaments. And when it comes to professional gaming, with thousands of Euros or Dollars on the line, there is no way eSports can be taken seriously when a game is being decided because the frikking event host, a multimillion Euro company, fails to provide a stable running PC for a player.
This is ridiculous, this is unspeakably outraging.


Yes but the point is in contrast to you, the admins have to come up with a decission whereas you can fall back on complaining and not offering a solution.
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 04 2010 20:22 GMT
#292
On December 05 2010 05:19 7mk wrote:
heh, casters not explicility mentioning the hidden expo because of the hearing issue, I like that

I think the credits should go to Hasu, smart player, smart caster, smart guy.
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 04 2010 20:24 GMT
#293
What is the role of the thors in goodys army? Are they there to tank damage or to counter potential air switches?
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 20:25:17
December 04 2010 20:24 GMT
#294
On December 05 2010 05:21 kmkkmk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 05:18 zere wrote:
The ESL fails to provide smoothly running PCs to the competitors, so Goody's chance to win the game has been taken away by the ESL.
Was Demu ahead at this point? Hell, yes. Would he have won the game? Most likely. Definifively? No.
Would they have also given Goody the default win if the game would have crashed 10 minutes earlier? Because, at that point, it was the other way around: Goody was way ahead.
Remember Dreamhack's Morrow vs. Mana, when Day9 kicked his PC? People were screaming "zomfg Morrow way ahead, need defwin", and in the end Mana won the game.
The screaming for defaultwins is pathetic and pitiful, even in online tournaments. And when it comes to professional gaming, with thousands of Euros or Dollars on the line, there is no way eSports can be taken seriously when a game is being decided because the frikking event host, a multimillion Euro company, fails to provide a stable running PC for a player.
This is ridiculous, this is unspeakably outraging.


Yes but the point is in contrast to you, the admins have to come up with a decission whereas you can fall back on complaining and not offering a solution.


There is no solution to be offered. Unless a player gives up the game, a disconnect has to lead to a regame. Otherwise, whenever a player feels ahead, he will simply hit the Windows-button on his keyboard and cancel the LAN connection in the task bar.
ModeratorWenn ich einmal traurig bin, dann trink' ich einen Korn. Wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann trink' ich noch 'nen Korn. Und wenn ich dann noch traurig bin, dann fang' ich an von vorn!
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 20:31:32
December 04 2010 20:27 GMT
#295
The problem with these things are, that in such situations there is no good decision. The only thing what can be done is to make the least horrible decision. Def win demu? that would sux foor goody cause he thought he still had a chance. Rematch? that would sux for demu because he had a clear lead (eg massive advantage) but bigger comebacks have been done in the history so its kinda fishy.

The combination of a kinda buggy game and battlenet 0.2 makes that SC2 isnt the proper platform yet for a good esport game. There are just way to many disc's, crashes in all sort of tournaments with alot of money on the line. ESL cant do alot in this situation tbh, its just blizzard who made a unstable game with a shity online service, and are unwilling to change anything.

LAN support and a big big big big crash hunting action by blizzard would be the the best solution to all this bullshit because then when something goes wrong it will be most likely the fault of the organiser if the game itself is rocksolid (Brood war).
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 04 2010 20:28 GMT
#296
On December 05 2010 05:24 zere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 05:21 kmkkmk wrote:
On December 05 2010 05:18 zere wrote:
The ESL fails to provide smoothly running PCs to the competitors, so Goody's chance to win the game has been taken away by the ESL.
Was Demu ahead at this point? Hell, yes. Would he have won the game? Most likely. Definifively? No.
Would they have also given Goody the default win if the game would have crashed 10 minutes earlier? Because, at that point, it was the other way around: Goody was way ahead.
Remember Dreamhack's Morrow vs. Mana, when Day9 kicked his PC? People were screaming "zomfg Morrow way ahead, need defwin", and in the end Mana won the game.
The screaming for defaultwins is pathetic and pitiful, even in online tournaments. And when it comes to professional gaming, with thousands of Euros or Dollars on the line, there is no way eSports can be taken seriously when a game is being decided because the frikking event host, a multimillion Euro company, fails to provide a stable running PC for a player.
This is ridiculous, this is unspeakably outraging.


Yes but the point is in contrast to you, the admins have to come up with a decission whereas you can fall back on complaining and not offering a solution.


There is no solution to be offered. Unless a player gives up the game, a disconnect has to lead to a regame. Otherwise, whenever a player feels ahead, he will simply hit the Windows-button on his keyboard and cancel the LAN connection in the task bar.


I don't like your solution because it feels unfair when a player with a huge lead disconnects. You are just describing how a loosing player could abuse a yet to formulate rule.
Cade)Flayer
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom279 Posts
December 04 2010 20:28 GMT
#297
How to beat DeMuslim in the late game: build 3 Hellions
That boys a monster
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 04 2010 20:28 GMT
#298
demuslim felt much weaker this game then last game.
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4755 Posts
December 04 2010 20:29 GMT
#299
I love TvT. I love this positional play, love when a Thor tanks millions of damage. Don't understand at all how some people find this boring
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
December 04 2010 20:29 GMT
#300
what?
not ben's best game
우리는 대-한민국입니다
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