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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i38.tinypic.com/308l1lc.png) ON AIR ESL Pro Series Germany (Season 17) - Finals Stream: http://tv.esl.eu/esltv_stream/ Use the "Event & Studio 1 Streams" for the german coverage at the event Use the "Studio 2 Streams" for Rottderdam's english coverage (HD quality) (free stream requires octoshape, premium doesn't) ![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/dw599e.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i54.tinypic.com/mwb411.jpg) Location (Tanzbrunnen, Cologne) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.mymtw.com/img/image.php?image_id=2251) | ||
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tabbi
Germany113 Posts
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
Sockeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Really hard to predict though | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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JonnyLaw
United States3482 Posts
This thread already looks like protoss fans. Or they're coming out of the woodwork hoping for the long awaited toss win. If anyone can win, Socke will do it. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
On December 03 2010 17:51 Ummbeefy wrote: Sockeeeeehhh. This thread already looks like protoss fans. Or they're coming out of the woodwork hoping for the long awaited toss win. If anyone can win, Socke will do it. I'm usually not a protoss fan, but the only Zerg in EPS.de didnt qualify, so i cheer for the awesome death metal protoss :-) | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
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tabbi
Germany113 Posts
On December 03 2010 18:34 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: This should be good. How's the quality of the "hi-def" ESL paystream nowadays? when they're streaming off of studio2 its quite good actually (16 : 9 & HD) but i am pretty sure the finals will be streamed on their 'normal stream' which is still 4:3 with worse quality than the average user streams here on TL. | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
Now I see it's double bracket. Does this mean the games will be bo3? | ||
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Shawngood
Germany473 Posts
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 03 2010 19:27 Influ wrote: Finals are Bo3? Shawn i love u, dont make my feelings change now! I think its ok if its bo3 as the player coming from losers bracket will have to win 2 matches (2 bo3). Two bo5 in a row would be a little much. | ||
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teumas
Sweden280 Posts
Demuslim > Cloud Socke > Goody Demuslim > Socke Goody > Cloud Socke > Goody Demuslim > Socke Demuslim wins! | ||
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busbarn
Sweden984 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
go cloud! | ||
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Tarson
Poland130 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
 http://tv.esl.eu/de/#/de/esltv_stream/ Link to Studio 2, stream starts around 11 as well I think, it will be a solo cast but I'll do my best to make it fun and entertaining, and since its saturday and I'm not the official stream, there is more than enough space for that! | ||
zere
Germany1287 Posts
Tournament winner: 2.25 -  DeMusliM2.65 -  Socke5.00 - GoOdy5.50 - ClouDRO4: Socke 1.48 vs. 2.50 GoOdyDeMusliM 1.47 vs. 2.55 ClouD | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:26 RotterdaM wrote: http://tv.esl.eu/de/#/de/esltv_stream/ Link to Studio 2, stream starts around 11 as well I think, it will be a solo cast but I'll do my best to make it fun and entertaining, and since its saturday and I'm not the official stream, there is more than enough space for that! Will you restream the official stream or be ingame as well? The latter would rock, better casting (imho) and higher video quality/have your own mouse control. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
Videos of the interviews will go up on esl-radio.de and Youtube (will do english subtitles for those with Goody and Socke). | ||
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Scodia
United Kingdom588 Posts
On December 04 2010 03:26 RotterdaM wrote: Would be great if you could add in the OP that I'll be providing an English stream from the ESL studio's, I won't be live at the event but I'll still be broadcasing the games live, so there is a way for all our lovely English viewers to follow ze German EPS finals as well, which should be damn good http://tv.esl.eu/de/#/de/esltv_stream/ Link to Studio 2, stream starts around 11 as well I think, it will be a solo cast but I'll do my best to make it fun and entertaining, and since its saturday and I'm not the official stream, there is more than enough space for that! God I love you Rotterdam, Thanks a lot for casting this in English. I'll definitely tune in! No GSL today but should be just as good! | ||
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Rayven
United Kingdom81 Posts
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Mainland
Canada551 Posts
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TekKpriest
308 Posts
ill so watch the english coverage instead of the german one. e: NarutO seems to be there too ^^ | ||
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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Ippo
708 Posts
He will cast with Filly some of the games. | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:45 Mainland wrote: Isn't CEST daylight savings time? Is it a custom to use UTC+2 even in the winter, is that a typo? my mistake, corrected it | ||
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ScarletKnight
United States691 Posts
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otacon
Germany45 Posts
On December 04 2010 18:44 Rayven wrote: There is no Octoshape or plugin required anymore, if you have an ESL TV Premium account So, restream anyone? Octoshape refuses to work on my pc after months of installing, uninstalling, formatting, changing codecs, changing windows etc..  | ||
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Rayven
United Kingdom81 Posts
On December 04 2010 19:37 otacon wrote: There is no Octoshape or plugin required anymore, if you have an ESL TV Premium account Oh I have premium, I just asked for a restream for the fuck of it. | ||
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Zumm
Germany122 Posts
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Tnerb
United States141 Posts
i hope someone puts it up on ustream/livestream | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
"I played lots of Terrans. Just like always." Protoss fighting! | ||
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Fualtier
260 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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SkyTheUnknown
Germany2065 Posts
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Bshad
120 Posts
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Fualtier
260 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:17 Bshad wrote: why are they all speaking germanish? Rotterdam is casting in english. | ||
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Yiko
Germany104 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:17 Bshad wrote: why are they all speaking germanish? Watch Studio 2 stream, Rotterdam does the english coverage | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:17 Bshad wrote: why are they all speaking germanish? There is also a stream with english commentary (studio 2)# The english stream even has much better quality, but I still prefer the German one. Hasuobs commentary ist just so perfect. | ||
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zerotol
Belgium508 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
I always thought his macro had flaws... Seen many TvT's of him having 4-5 bases and only 3-4 factories with maxed queues -_- | ||
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4723 Posts
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bananafever
Austria348 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:31 HolydaKing wrote: LOL @Goody's macro... 1 base and barracks with full marauder queue I always thought his macro had flaws... Seen many TvT's of him having 4-5 bases and only 3-4 factories with maxed queues -_- I think his problem is that he uses no keys for buildings. He just klicks them like he has done in bw. He is a very clever player, his mechanics is what holds him back. | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:23 Yiko wrote: Watch Studio 2 stream, Rotterdam does the english coverage Sorry, but where could I find it? edit: Nvm, found it. Thanks :D | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:47 radadaundandan wrote: No more SC2? sure, but they are showing CS first. SC2 at 13:50, which is in exactly one hour. might take even longer depending on how fast the CS match will be over. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:47 radadaundandan wrote: No more SC2? next semi at 13:50 http://www.esl.eu/de/pro-series/season17/finals/zeitplan/ | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:47 radadaundandan wrote: No more SC2? We're watching rotterdam laddering until demuslim vs cloud in 1 hour it seems. | ||
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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BatCat
Austria630 Posts
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
On December 04 2010 20:55 BatCat wrote: He is playing inside ESL studio, so it's no wonder. It makes me sad to see a player with this horrible macro making it far in SC2 | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:37 Weavel wrote: He is playing inside ESL studio, so it's no wonder. think he meant goody | ||
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Tnerb
United States141 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
bananafever , no there was a regular before this. | ||
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hoop1
Spain242 Posts
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:46 Brent352 wrote: Are there any restreams going on? I cant seem to get the free stream working on their site and I have been trying for a bout a hour now. Plz help stream is here: http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/#/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-free have you installed the octoshape plugin? | ||
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Congism
Scotland123 Posts
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Tnerb
United States141 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:52 NeV wrote: stream is here: http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/#/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-free have you installed the octoshape plugin? Yes after a hour of trying it I have indeed installed the octoshape plugin. Three times actually and it still doesn't work. | ||
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Hesos
Germany20 Posts
On December 04 2010 21:50 hoop1 wrote: german commentaries? You have to take studio 2 stream for RotterdaM in english | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Basic micro, as in 'pull your low hp one back' and as in 'use 1 of your vikings to focus on the enemies one with low hp'. Thank you, Demu! | ||
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torsdag
Sweden1 Post
./OctoshapeClient -url:tetv.esltv.proxy3 | ||
zatic
Zurich15326 Posts
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4723 Posts
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
NarutO:"I don't understand why Phoenixes are being buffed. They are strong against Terran, and extremely strong against Zerg. I do not understand the 10-second buff."EDIT: I don't want this to be a patch-nerf-op-up-discussion. Just translating for the international non-german viewers. | ||
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Fualtier
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Fualtier
260 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:18 zere wrote: HasuObs:"I don't understand why Phoenixes are being buffed. They are strong against Terran, and extremely strong against Zerg. I do not understand the 10-second buff."That's Naruto talking atm. | ||
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:18 zere wrote: HasuObs:"I don't understand why Phoenixes are being buffed. They are strong against Terran, and extremely strong against Zerg. I do not understand the 10-second buff."EDIT: I don't want this to be a patch-nerf-op-up-discussion. Just translating for the international non-german viewers. isn't the co-mod mtw|Naruto ? edit: lol -_-;. | ||
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:18 zere wrote: HasuObs:"I don't understand why Phoenixes are being buffed. They are strong against Terran, and extremely strong against Zerg. I do not understand the 10-second buff."EDIT: I don't want this to be a patch-nerf-op-up-discussion. Just translating for the international non-german viewers. then i tell the international non-german viewers that this not hasuobs, its't naruto and he is terran | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:18 zere wrote: HasuObs:"I don't understand why Phoenixes are being buffed. They are strong against Terran, and extremely strong against Zerg. I do not understand the 10-second buff."EDIT: I don't want this to be a patch-nerf-op-up-discussion. Just translating for the international non-german viewers. naruto said that not hasu edit: too late | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
wtb LAN mode | ||
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Quarz
448 Posts
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pilot-
Germany75 Posts
this is about 3k€ absolutely ridiculous imo | ||
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NeV
Italy370 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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DoA.DawN
Germany61 Posts
btw i think demuslims performance is really suffering with those circumstances. he seems to be very emotional about any distractions. hope we wont see a quick 2:0 | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
And the i41 LAN in London had to delay the tournament, too, because of Bnet problems. Please, Blizzard, give us LAN, please. edit: dropped out again | ||
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Dekker
Germany169 Posts
Well done, next "offline" final ridicouled by bnet... Do something already blizz. Thats a fucking joke... | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
screw this | ||
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esperanto
Germany357 Posts
Please Blizzard watch this and give lan-support for events. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4723 Posts
It's really a total travesty, they just have to realize how much these occurences (like MLG Dallas or this one) will hurt SC2 in the long run. I am not gonna take a couple hours out of my weekend to watch and pay for streams if I have to watch nothing half the time because BNet does not work. How do you explain sth. like this to your friends if you are trying to get them into SC2? I really hope that they are working on some tournament-lan version, if they are not, I have to doubt their sanity in this regard. It's just unworthy. | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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Fualtier
260 Posts
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iaretehnoob
Sweden741 Posts
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M1sta
Germany3 Posts
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
its really destructive for the future of this sport, and on the other hand, its quite surprising that in hundreds of gsl-games there hasn't been a single lag-issue... quite fucked up to be sure, mr. blizztivision...>:/ | ||
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CCAA
Germany78 Posts
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oooo27
342 Posts
this is so frustrating | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
hope it get fixed _ASAP_ | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:43 Hatsu wrote: Is that bnet fucking up or Demuslim's connection dying? And it happened in game 1 too? Socke vs. Goody already lagged like hell. Demu vs. Cloud game 1 lagged like hell, and game 2 Demu dropped twice quite early in the game. They are now exchanging Demus PC, tho I doubt it will help. | ||
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[SuNdae]
Finland323 Posts
 Hope this gets fixed soon | ||
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
 I liked it. | ||
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zatic
Zurich15326 Posts
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Wuffey
252 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:46 Loooui wrote: Where can i find the irc that rotterdam talked about? I wanna ask which song this is I liked it. #esl.tv on quakenet. Beware of all the german spam in there | ||
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:45 zere wrote: Socke vs. Goody already lagged like hell. Demu vs. Cloud game 1 lagged like hell, and game 2 Demu dropped twice quite early in the game. They are now exchanging Demus PC, tho I doubt it will help. Oh God -_- | ||
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38239 Posts
On December 04 2010 22:46 Loooui wrote: Where can i find the irc that rotterdam talked about? I wanna ask which song this is I liked it. (or some mix of that) but go keep Rotterdam company, the poor guy =p This kind of thing really sucks, hopefully it gets resolved one way or another, I really wanted to watch DeMuslim's match | ||
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epij
Germany42 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
Please post some comments here so Blizzard will notice it. | ||
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kAra
Germany1370 Posts
any advice? | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
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Wuffey
252 Posts
Choose Studio2 for Rotterdam's english cast. They tried to lower the graphics in order to reduce the lag I suppose. | ||
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:08 Wuffey wrote: You are watching the german stream. Choose Studio2 for Rotterdam's english cast. They tried to lower the graphics in order to reduce the lag I suppose. Ah, thanks for the tip | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Genzo
Denmark207 Posts
vlc+octoshape link | ||
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Kirb
Germany900 Posts
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Brombaer
Germany43 Posts
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Wuffey
252 Posts
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Genzo
Denmark207 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:23 Brombaer wrote: Feeling so sad for Rotterdam. How can they forget to invite him?I don't get it. me too please someone living near the studio bring him some beer | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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Mongery
892 Posts
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DeMusliM
United Kingdom401 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:24 Wuffey wrote: [15:23] <@ESLTV|TexXxas> the players started without an official go Filly was host, i said wait for rotterdam, and he started. | ||
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g1rg10
Italy186 Posts
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Tzarr
Germany48 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:50 DeMusliM wrote: Filly was host, i said wait for rotterdam, and he started. Uff, thats really bad | ||
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:50 DeMusliM wrote: Filly was host, i said wait for rotterdam, and he started. sounds typically for filly. don't know why he is always casting for esl .... | ||
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Tofugrinder
Austria899 Posts
loosers bracket: demuslim vs goody | ||
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teumas
Sweden280 Posts
On December 05 2010 00:04 7mk wrote: Wasnt able to watch this yet, can someone update me on the results? Socke won over Goody, Cloud beat Demuslim. Socke vs Cloud coming up in the winner brackets final | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Hatsu
United Kingdom474 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:51 g1rg10 wrote: Go ClouD, do us italians proud! haha unintentionally hilarious | ||
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g1rg10
Italy186 Posts
LOL i just re-read that. that's kinda awkward. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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sashkata
Bulgaria3241 Posts
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TykronZ
Sweden25 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
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Fualtier
260 Posts
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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arew
Lithuania1861 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-proxy3 | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
Socke is such a fighter | ||
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
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oooo27
342 Posts
Mass stim-marauders FTW | ||
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Wuffey
252 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4723 Posts
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Rouel
Sweden138 Posts
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Cadgers
United States514 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
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Cadgers
United States514 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
socke, socke, socke hell yeah | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
WELL PLAYED ! | ||
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 04 2010 23:06 wristuzi wrote: Is the stream supposed to be on low settings? I don't really understand the whole thing :S try the other stream (http://tv.esl.eu/de/esltv_stream/stream/55-flv-proxy3) it has better quality. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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zomgad
185 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
should be GG now ok maybe not ^^ omfg sick | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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radadaundandan
Bulgaria3148 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Zumm
Germany122 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
hope Demuslim meets him in the grand finals =) | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:02 radadaundandan wrote: is it bo5? No. Double-elimination BO3 | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 02:59 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Those guys can hear the Cast by the way... Give a proof or stop claiming such things. | ||
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
i wish he would play in GSL | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 02:45 zomgad wrote: cant listen to this guy he is so P biased its unwatchable then turn the volume down and listen to the other stream. | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:03 kmkkmk wrote: Give a proof or stop claiming such things. Demuslim and Socke said so. ^^ They are right there on the stage and in front of the crowd with casters for the crowd. Not surprising that they can hear the cast without booths or anything. | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
ESL should really either use a seperate gaming area or get some booths next time... Games were great tho. Don't want to take anything away from that. | ||
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:09 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Well Demuslim said he knew what units Cloud had and at what time he was going to push because he could hear the cast. ESL should really either use a seperate gaming area or get some booths next time... Games were great tho. Don't want to take anything away from that. Wow that really sucks. So they celebrate 10 years of gaming and haven't figured out howto do events? | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:05 AntiGrav1ty wrote: Demuslim and Socke said so. ^^ They are right there on the stage and in front of the crowd with casters for the crowd. Not surprising that they can hear the cast without booths or anything. Demuslim said that he could hear the caster in the first game, but maybe they fixed it (increase volume). Cloud and Socke didn't say anything about it. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Wuffey
252 Posts
Now the big question is if the players on the recent finals were just bad mannered or just could not here them :D | ||
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
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cyclone25
Romania3344 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:09 RotterdaM wrote: great games, pleasure to cast :D Same for us. You're doing a great job I hope for Demuslim - Socke in final ^^ | ||
Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:20 Wuffey wrote: That's actually the first time anyone complains about hearing the commentators as far as I know. Now the big question is if the players on the recent finals were just bad mannered or just could not here them :D Namaa said that he could hear the casters at dreamhack right at the start of the finals (and they fixed it right away) | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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Wuffey
252 Posts
But what I meant is that it was the first time that someone complained on a ESL Tournament as far as I know | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:27 Plexa wrote: Namaa said that he could hear the casters at dreamhack right at the start of the finals (and they fixed it right away) they didnt do anything mana just responded "turn the music up" so Naama did. and this is far from the first time theres been complaints on every single big Lan Event, including MLG and IEM. | ||
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Endorsed
Netherlands1221 Posts
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charcute
Canada419 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 05 2010 03:42 charcute wrote: what is the stream?? when i go on esl, there is cs or a guy who just type on couples keyboards these are the right streams they indeed play cs atm, sc2 continues after that | ||
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charcute
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
Who is cheery for snogard? mähhh And for sk? muhhh Like nobody seems interessting. Then the commentators ask if anyone is waiting for starcraft and like everyone cheers. | ||
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w33dOr
Germany126 Posts
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charcute
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:07 charcute wrote: haha no one seems to care about cs in the crowd they care more about 1.6 than css + it depends on how many fans those teams have at the event | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Winner of Goody vs. Demuslim advances to Loser Bracket Final against Cloud. | ||
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thOr6136
Slovenia1775 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:19 zere wrote: Socke is in Grand Finals, Winner of Goody vs. Demuslim advances to Loser Bracket Final against Cloud. oh ok, ty <3 | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:19 kmkkmk wrote: I like mouzHasu casting so much, he is calm and gives great insights instead of the usual shoutcasting. yes Hasu casts really good, but in general the ESL casters they brought over from War3 are quite weak compared to other possible ones, I at least dislike them so much that I rather watch Rotterdam instead of the german stream. | ||
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Germany418 Posts
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:24 kmkkmk wrote: strong micro by demuslim flawless micro, but then he complains about lag ^_^ maybe it was luck ... | ||
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Norway1510 Posts
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Italy123 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
Terrible end for that game. | ||
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United Kingdom474 Posts
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Austria6145 Posts
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Germany418 Posts
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Germany126 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:47 Fantistic wrote: Battle.net 0.2 strikes again. pc crashed no b.net issue | ||
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:47 kmkkmk wrote: And again demuslim is hit by pc crash. Give the game to miou?!? i see what you did there ^^ /topic: thats just so unfortunate... | ||
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w33dOr
Germany126 Posts
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SinCitta
Germany2127 Posts
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CraZyWayne
Germany357 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
Hopefully Goody just says Demuslim would have won and doesn't demand a regame, would be less qq afterwards. | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LxwIo.jpg) Hellion is not happy with this. | ||
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Germany900 Posts
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:50 halvorg wrote: Hellion is not happy with this. Nice find you win this thread. | ||
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Austria235 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:50 CruelZeratul wrote: Hopefully Goody just says Demuslim would have won and doesn't demand a regame, would be less qq afterwards. There is no regame to be demanded, tbh. How can one possibly even consider giving default win to a player after a disconnect when the event host fails to setup their PCs correctly? | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
can someone pls give me a short briefing what hapend so far? ben still bad luck with disconnects? | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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Hirnfrost
Germany938 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:52 zurg wrote: hi im back from work can someone pls give me a short briefing what hapend so far? ben still bad luck with disconnects? Yup, his equipment has been crashing as always, lol. | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:50 halvorg wrote: Hellion is not happy with this. LMAO, epic picture, will save it for later use | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:52 kmkkmk wrote: What clan is Goody in? ESC IcyBox On December 05 2010 04:52 zurg wrote: hi im back from work can someone pls give me a short briefing what hapend so far? ben still bad luck with disconnects? 14 games played, 9 finished correctly, 4 of these with extreme lag, 5 disconnects RO4: Socke > Goody Cloud > Demuslim RO2: Socke > Cloud LB ongoing. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:52 kmkkmk wrote: What clan is Goody in? i think hes on ESC | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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zurg
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On December 05 2010 04:54 zere wrote: ESC IcyBox 14 games played, 9 finished correctly, 4 of these with extreme lag, 5 disconnects RO4: Socke > Goody Cloud > Demuslim RO2: Socke > Cloud LB ongoing. thank you | ||
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Australia10 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:54 zere wrote: ESC IcyBox 14 games played, 9 finished correctly, 4 of these with extreme lag, 5 disconnects is this a joke are did really 5 SC abort because of players disconnecting? | ||
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Cocacooh
Norway1510 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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RmpL
Germany263 Posts
It's easy to blame BNet for this, but let's not forget that ESL has quite the track record of royally screwing up live events. Basically every ESL event I can recall had one major technical issue at least What are they supposed to do to prevent PC Crashes ? .. | ||
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halvorg
Norway717 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:59 G.s)NarutO wrote: GoOdy was in a commanding lead, it was actually not possible to give it away! DemusliM turned it around so he was insanely far ahead! He's not a player that would give such an advantage away and a rematch would be unfair, but you could argue that Goody was in the same position and when it would Crash then a regame would also be unfair, though call but it was won by DemusliM in the end, thats for certain! demuslim was not (almost) mined out and had quite a lot of tanks already. thats the difference | ||
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Daray
6006 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:59 G.s)NarutO wrote: GoOdy was in a commanding lead, it was actually not possible to give it away! DemusliM turned it around so he was insanely far ahead! He's not a player that would give such an advantage away and a rematch would be unfair, but you could argue that Goody was in the same position and when it would Crash then a regame would also be unfair, though call but it was won by DemusliM in the end, thats for certain! yeah the difference was that both had minerals and demuslim could've easily go 200/200 if he wasn't already unlike this game. | ||
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Russian Federation798 Posts
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Daray
6006 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:02 Daray wrote: yeah the difference was that both had minerals and demuslim could've easily go 200/200 if he wasn't already unlike goody who had ~4k minerals left and no way of getting another expo. | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:57 Miros wrote: It's easy to blame BNet for this, but let's not forget that ESL has quite the track record of royally screwing up live events. Basically every ESL event I can recall had one major technical issue at least. Was anybody blaming B.net? Of course you cant blame it for a PC crashing. You can blame the shitty lag on it but not this | ||
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Germany18839 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On December 05 2010 04:59 RmpL wrote: What are they supposed to do to prevent PC Crashes ? .. They could employ a Feng Shui consultant! | ||
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fishinguy
Russian Federation798 Posts
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Mattes
Germany1116 Posts
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mdma-_-
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NarutO
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zurg
1923 Posts
ben fighting! | ||
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Singapore97 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
Was Demu ahead at this point? Hell, yes. Would he have won the game? Most likely. Definifively? No. Would they have also given Goody the default win if the game would have crashed 10 minutes earlier? Because, at that point, it was the other way around: Goody was way ahead. Remember Dreamhack's Morrow vs. Mana, when Day9 kicked his PC? People were screaming "zomfg Morrow way ahead, need defwin", and in the end Mana won the game. The screaming for defaultwins is pathetic and pitiful, even in online tournaments. And when it comes to professional gaming, with thousands of Euros or Dollars on the line, there is no way eSports can be taken seriously when a game is being decided because the frikking event host, a multimillion Euro company, fails to provide a stable running PC for a player. This is ridiculous, this is unspeakably outraging. | ||
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Germany10157 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:18 zere wrote: The ESL fails to provide smoothly running PCs to the competitors, so Goody's chance to win the game has been taken away by the ESL. Was Demu ahead at this point? Hell, yes. Would he have won the game? Most likely. Definifively? No. Would they have also given Goody the default win if the game would have crashed 10 minutes earlier? Because, at that point, it was the other way around: Goody was way ahead. Remember Dreamhack's Morrow vs. Mana, when Day9 kicked his PC? People were screaming "zomfg Morrow way ahead, need defwin", and in the end Mana won the game. The screaming for defaultwins is pathetic and pitiful, even in online tournaments. And when it comes to professional gaming, with thousands of Euros or Dollars on the line, there is no way eSports can be taken seriously when a game is being decided because the frikking event host, a multimillion Euro company, fails to provide a stable running PC for a player. This is ridiculous, this is unspeakably outraging. Yes but the point is in contrast to you, the admins have to come up with a decission whereas you can fall back on complaining and not offering a solution. | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:19 7mk wrote: heh, casters not explicility mentioning the hidden expo because of the hearing issue, I like that I think the credits should go to Hasu, smart player, smart caster, smart guy. | ||
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Germany418 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:21 kmkkmk wrote: Yes but the point is in contrast to you, the admins have to come up with a decission whereas you can fall back on complaining and not offering a solution. There is no solution to be offered. Unless a player gives up the game, a disconnect has to lead to a regame. Otherwise, whenever a player feels ahead, he will simply hit the Windows-button on his keyboard and cancel the LAN connection in the task bar. | ||
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4Servy
Netherlands1542 Posts
The combination of a kinda buggy game and battlenet 0.2 makes that SC2 isnt the proper platform yet for a good esport game. There are just way to many disc's, crashes in all sort of tournaments with alot of money on the line. ESL cant do alot in this situation tbh, its just blizzard who made a unstable game with a shity online service, and are unwilling to change anything. LAN support and a big big big big crash hunting action by blizzard would be the the best solution to all this bullshit because then when something goes wrong it will be most likely the fault of the organiser if the game itself is rocksolid (Brood war). | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:24 zere wrote: There is no solution to be offered. Unless a player gives up the game, a disconnect has to lead to a regame. Otherwise, whenever a player feels ahead, he will simply hit the Windows-button on his keyboard and cancel the LAN connection in the task bar. I don't like your solution because it feels unfair when a player with a huge lead disconnects. You are just describing how a loosing player could abuse a yet to formulate rule. | ||
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Cade)Flayer
United Kingdom279 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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Malinor
Germany4723 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
not ben's best game | ||
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United States2914 Posts
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Cyberus
Germany148 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:24 kmkkmk wrote: What is the role of the thors in goodys army? Are they there to tank damage or to counter potential air switches? He likes to play without any bio units and they are very good to scare away banshees. | ||
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simtom
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On December 05 2010 05:05 7mk wrote: Was anybody blaming B.net? Of course you cant blame it for a PC crashing. You can blame the shitty lag on it but not this you can blame it for not being able to save and restore a game when someone drops. | ||
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Czech Republic1731 Posts
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:28 kmkkmk wrote: I don't like your solution because it feels unfair when a player with a huge lead disconnects. You are just describing how a loosing player could abuse a yet to formulate rule. Okay, then bring back 1995 online rules: Player who disconnects loses. And add some 2010 spice to it: If the admin decides that the disconnected player was in a lead, admin can walk over the remaining player by ordering a regame. Now that I think of it, that's actually not a bad idea. Edit: Tbh, I am, in fact, a big Demu fan, and I surely want him to win here. In no way I want to discredit Demus skill or performances. It's the system I am trying to blame here. | ||
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oooo27
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On December 05 2010 05:37 zere wrote: Okay, then bring back 1995 online rules: Player who disconnects loses. And add some 2010 spice to it: If the admin decides that the disconnected player was in a lead, admin can walk over the remaining player by ordering a regame. Now that I think of it, that's actually not a bad idea. Edit: Tbh, I am, in fact, a big Demu fan, and I surely want him to win here. In no way I want to discredit Demus skill or performances. It's the system I am trying to blame here. its not Demuslim`s fault that he disconnected, since he is not even playing on his own computer. That would be like giving a random win to one player. | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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YourMom
Romania565 Posts
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aloT
England1042 Posts
~5 secs later "Oh wow! Demuslim is in such a huge lead! So far ahead!" | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:44 oooo27 wrote: its not Demuslim`s fault that he disconnected, since he is not even playing on his own computer. That would be like giving a random win to one player. Guess what, it wasn't Goody's fault either. And, still, admins would have obv. decided for a regame, so he wouldn't have lost it due to "his" disconnect. | ||
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
EDIT: Yea Vikings...... | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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zurg
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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Zumm
Germany122 Posts
But great games and entertaining to watch! | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
great play by demuslim | ||
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zurg
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:33 simtom wrote: you can blame it for not being able to save and restore a game when someone drops. 100% Agree. This is what has to be learned here. Technology could solve this problem. | ||
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United States2914 Posts
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
nice subtle insults there vs goody "sagt der socke krass, ich würd viel lieber gegen goody spielen als gegen demuslim" Aah in that huge turnaround fight Demuslim shift-attacked all the tanks manually, nice, thats how he killed that force that was much bigger than his. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:57 Weavel wrote: Really good games. Gratz to demuslin! So when will the finals start? Finals are tomorrow. DeMusliM plays Cloud later. | ||
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zurg
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United Kingdom678 Posts
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Neverplay
Austria532 Posts
On December 05 2010 06:04 GenoZStriker wrote: They are behind schedule so there is no way to really tell when. FIFA finals now then CS LB1 then DeMu vs. Cloud. omg could take some time till this actually get played out | ||
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oooo27
342 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:47 zere wrote: Guess what, it wasn't Goody's fault either. And, still, admins would have obv. decided for a regame, so he wouldn't have lost it due to "his" disconnect. Im not saying that. I just think that "disconnect=loss" is a really unfair idea, especially when the computers are provided by the tournament and bnet is from blizzard. I think that normally they would have had a regame, but they were so behind schedule that they just gave Demuslim the match | ||
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
On December 05 2010 06:06 Neverplay wrote: omg could take some time till this actually get played out According to schedule, lb final will start after fifa, css comes after sc, so only a one game break | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On December 05 2010 06:06 resilve wrote: Didn't Rotti say switch to german stream to see it, or something? I think he said the german stream shows the Fifa match or whatever there's played on stage before the next SC2 game. | ||
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United Kingdom556 Posts
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Shawngood
Germany473 Posts
On December 05 2010 05:24 zere wrote: There is no solution to be offered. Unless a player gives up the game, a disconnect has to lead to a regame. Otherwise, whenever a player feels ahead, he will simply hit the Windows-button on his keyboard and cancel the LAN connection in the task bar. That's a quite ridiculous comparison. Here at the event we have two admins, one behind each player, to make sure that everything is running correctly. The scenario you described would never happen. I stand by my decision to rule the game a win for DeMusliM. I watched the replay together with GoOdy and I can understand his point of view. There was still a very, very minor chance for him to win, as in: - IF his Banshees do a ton of damage (although DeMusliM had turrets and a lot of Orbital Commands to scan) - IF his (non-blue) Hellions kill a lot of SCVs - IF his desperate last push stands a chance against the way superior army of DeMusliM that is containing him The chances of any of this to happen was extremely slim. But to get back into the game and to get a new base up and running he would have needed to have all these things to happen at the same time. GoOdy was almost mined out on his two remaining bases (~1 minute mining time left) and had no more gas. He had half the worker count and a ton of less supply. I believe a referee opinion should matter in cases like these, judgement calls have their place in eSports just like they do in 'real' sports. | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
and I like the fact, that rotterdam entertains us with other sc2 games, cause I don´t like fifa. | ||
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zere
Germany1287 Posts
On December 05 2010 06:20 Shawngood wrote: There was still a very, very minor chance for him to win, as in: - IF his Banshees do a ton of damage (although DeMusliM had turrets and a lot of Orbital Commands to scan) - IF his (non-blue) Hellions kill a lot of SCVs - IF his desperate last push stands a chance against the way superior army of DeMusliM that is containing him The chances of any of this to happen was extremely slim. But to get back into the game and to get a new base up and running he would have needed to have all these things to happen at the same time. GoOdy was almost mined out on his two remaining bases (~1 minute mining time left) and had no more gas. He had half the worker count and a ton of less supply. I agree with you on this situation ingame, yet you still fail to see the point (I still have to remind you of the nature of SC2 games being highly volatile. You have seen Demu breaking Clouds contain and giving up the advantage again shortly afterwards. You have seen Demu breaking Goody's contain. You even admit Goody still had a chance). Demu went 1-0 not because he won the game, but because you say Goody might not have won. Demu went 1-0 not because his opponent lost the game, but because of ESL's technical issues which Goody could not have flanked, cliffdropped, EMPed, or nuked in any way. What is the point of having a match and/or a whole season of matches, when it's not up to the players to decide the outcome, to play out the winner? | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
Hope you read this, big big respect and thanks. A stream is only as good as its caster - good casters can make medium games great fun and long waits into enjoyable things, bad casters can spoil epic games and make people very bored. | ||
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Cadgers
United States514 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:09 resilve wrote: Man, rotterdam worked so fucking hard today. Hope you read this, big big respect and thanks. Definitely, thanks a bunch for the English cast. | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
demuslim fighting! | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
, appreciate it, hope ben/demuslim pulls trough and we got a superb final to look forward to tomorrow even though Cloud against Socke was freaking good today , so i hope in any case we are in for a treat :DFinal game should be up in 15-20 Min Maximum, hope we can get this baby going fast. | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:10 Cadgers wrote: Definitely, thanks a bunch for the English cast. yeah thanks a lot rotterdam <3 | ||
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Elizar
Germany431 Posts
indeed. thumps up rotterdam! | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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BilltownRunner
United States229 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
The TvT-s are surprisingly not as boring as usual . | ||
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:13 PredY wrote: ben to hollywood haha yeah | ||
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zurg
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
gg | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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arctics86
Germany797 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:30 Holgerius wrote: Bo5 or Bo3? bo3 | ||
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Sweden16951 Posts
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hagon
United Kingdom556 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
edit: obviously you can go "safe" builds, but every tvt build can be at least semi-hard countered | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
boxer build?! | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
feel sorry for demuslim though | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
congratz cloud | ||
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Weavel
Finland9221 Posts
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
wp by cloud | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
Trying to get the bunker up near the ramp was a big mistake, Demuslim could've easily had enough time to construct the bunker back near his CC. | ||
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kazansky
Germany931 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:46 Holgerius wrote: Yayayayay! When is the final played? Sunday 16:20 CET - Finale | ||
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
Well played both players, wish demuslim had won | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
And demuslim saying he could here the marine rush is also very sad. | ||
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
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Scio
Germany522 Posts
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zurg
1923 Posts
seems to be a nice guy | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:51 zurg wrote: today its the first time i saw an interview with cloud and i like him seems to be a nice guy Yeah and the way he does not withhold stuff and speaks the truth is very honorable. | ||
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DoA.DawN
Germany61 Posts
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:51 zurg wrote: today its the first time i saw an interview with cloud and i like him seems to be a nice guy Yeah, I agree. Its hard for anyone to be polite and straight-faced when you just progressed past a famous player into the finals, but to be THAT polite and THAT sincere is really really cool of him. | ||
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Zumm
Germany122 Posts
If you are able to read German you should read the interview on fragster.de He is quite an arrogant one, but he played well in this series. | ||
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:53 DoA.DawN wrote: what was that stuff demuslim was talking about. considering next season. different grouping system? there will be something announced tomorrow about an EPS system change for next season so I guess there are some rumors arround | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:57 Irrational_Animal wrote: Everybody expected Demu to take the finals with relative ease Speak for yourself there. Its not like Demu dominated the recent tourneys he played in. On another note, they finally need to take on the problem with casters being heared by the players. That was an issue on every big lan tournament except GSL. Demu said he actually heared how the casters said "proxy rax". And it seems he was so fair to not instantly react to that by putting a bunker (he said that). But then he was so confused about how he should react that he messed up in the end. Its totally unacceptable how this shit interferes with the games. | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:57 Irrational_Animal wrote: Wow this is surely a huge upset. Everybody expected Demu to take the finals with relative ease but his play looked pretty vulnerable in many situations (both against Cloud and Goody). I would like to know how his preperation was in advance of the tourney because Cloud stated that he played like 14 hours recently and was very active overall, whereas it was pretty quiet about Demu, apart from an unfortunate DH. In contrast to other progamers Demuslim seemed to have focussed mainly on the EPS so ending up as 3rd should leave him disappointed. He actually said in a DH interview (linked below) that he hasnt been playing much of late, not been practicing in the run up to DH more than a few hours a day (if that) and so on. I didnt expect him to be on top form, and so I thought he wouldnt win but maybe would make top 3 of 4 - so in that respect I guess you get what you deserve. Obviously TvT is pretty random or luck based, but I guess if Cloud worked his ass of specifically preparing for this, and demuslim was somewhat on a low point of his training there is no big upset. [edit] 5:40 | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:55 Zumm wrote: @zurg If you are able to read German you should read the interview on fragster.de He is quite an arrogant one, but he played well in this series. No he is not, you should reread the interview. | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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positron.
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zurg
1923 Posts
On December 05 2010 08:19 resilve wrote: He actually said in a DH interview (linked below) that he hasnt been playing much of late, not been practicing in the run up to DH more than a few hours a day (if that) and so on. I didnt expect him to be on top form, and so I thought he wouldnt win but maybe would make top 3 of 4 - so in that respect I guess you get what you deserve. Obviously TvT is pretty random or luck based, but I guess if Cloud worked his ass of specifically preparing for this, and demuslim was somewhat on a low point of his training there is no big upset. [edit] 5:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iwqosTpaSU damn i love ben xD i wann go and drink some beer with him | ||
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Irrational_Animal
Germany1059 Posts
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-171297.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://www.gamereplays.org/community/uploads/repimgs/repimg-33-171252.jpg) | ||
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Influ
Germany780 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
On December 05 2010 08:27 Irrational_Animal wrote: @ resilve: well then the timing for not playing a lot was pretty suboptimal, considering that DH and EPS were the biggest events for him and besides that he did hardly play weekly cups etc. Man, I agree! Im a massive fan of demuslim, but I was just explaining to the guy who claimed it was a big upset - that actually he is out of form a little bit atm (compared to his potential) and I guess even he would recognize that. If ClouD has been training really hardcore for this EPS final, then its no upset that he wins - well played to him. I 100% believe that on his best form, ben is as good as anyone in the entire world and easily in the top 2 terrans in europe, but you wont win these mirror matches without having nailed the most up-to-date trends and being fully confident in your play (I guess). | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
i highly recommend these games to all of you who missed them http://tv.esl.eu/de/vod/view/22568 | ||
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
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Zumm
Germany122 Posts
On December 05 2010 08:20 kmkkmk wrote: No he is not, you should reread the interview. He is putting himself over all the korean terrans and doesn't even answer the question involving HuK, showing he isn't really accepting him as a good player. Overall in my opinion he seems to be quite arrogant when talking about other players. The previous part wasn't that way. | ||
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fean0r
Germany117 Posts
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
He motivates himself by saying he's the best, 100% immersion into motivation, that's about it and honestly, the guy is sick good, his insight and mechanics make him rock solid. He's the guy to beat in TvT in EU imo. That's not to say, Socke will wipe the floor with him if he again doesn't veto DO. | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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Narcotic
Italy101 Posts
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
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Schnullerbacke13
Germany1199 Posts
On December 05 2010 20:41 iG.ClouD wrote: About the interview on Readmore I think it didnt come out exactly as I would have liked to express myself because we did it in english and they had to rewrite it in german. I didnt say I think I am better than korean pros, I just said that the very top european terrans are better than korean terrans against zerg and especially tvt. I dont think I am as good as Tarson or Naama or the very best terran players in Europe so that does not apply to me. But yes I definitely think koreans are overrated when compared to europeans. then go and win the gsl i'll root for you (despite favoring socke today, sorry ;-)) | ||
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Miros
Australia10 Posts
On December 05 2010 07:55 Influ wrote: there will be something announced tomorrow about an EPS system change for next season so I guess there are some rumors arround There you go: http://www.fragster.de/de/esport/coverages/esl-pro-series/season-18/EPS-System-ESL-ProSeries.html | ||
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 18:28 Zumm wrote: He is putting himself over all the korean terrans and doesn't even answer the question involving HuK, showing he isn't really accepting him as a good player. Overall in my opinion he seems to be quite arrogant when talking about other players. The previous part wasn't that way. Hm, I read the interview again and I still disagree. Your initial quote was formulated as a fact with no room for disagreement but you fixed that in your second post. In the end it boils down to different opinions and I can life with that. | ||
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RotterdaM
Netherlands684 Posts
Just wanted to announce I will provide a English stream for the grand final once more and im not alone, with me is the one and only Naruto, so a T and P player casting the grand finals of EPS, make sure to not miss it :D | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Zudimi
Germany83 Posts
Looking forward to your casting | ||
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ccHaZaRd
Canada1024 Posts
On December 05 2010 20:41 iG.ClouD wrote: About the interview on Readmore I think it didnt come out exactly as I would have liked to express myself because we did it in english and they had to rewrite it in german. I didnt say I think I am better than korean pros, I just said that the very top european terrans are better than korean terrans against zerg and especially tvt. I dont think I am as good as Tarson or Naama or the very best terran players in Europe so that does not apply to me. But yes I definitely think koreans are overrated when compared to europeans. you know i do think euro tvt is by far the most developed but i seriously doubt euro tvz is even close to korean tvz standards | ||
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zurg
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kmkkmk
Germany418 Posts
On December 05 2010 23:41 G.s)NarutO wrote: Yes. KEKEKE!!! I want to apologize for my English if its not perfect. I am not a native speaker after all haha! But I will try my best. Provide great insights and I will not care about your English skills. Thank you for giving back to the community. | ||
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PredY
Czech Republic1731 Posts
On December 05 2010 23:39 RotterdaM wrote: Hey guys, Just wanted to announce I will provide a English stream for the grand final once more and im not alone, with me is the one and only Naruto, so a T and P player casting the grand finals of EPS, make sure to not miss it :D tuning in | ||
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zurg
1923 Posts
but disappointing finals | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
"kann meet your makers doch glücklich sein, nachdem naniwa so hart gefailed hat" "mym can be happy after all, even though naniwa failed so hard" | ||
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Dingotrold
Denmark622 Posts
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
Very disappointing final I have to say. | ||
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w33dOr
Germany126 Posts
Would have loved seeing him play Demu though. | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:44 Dingotrold wrote: I blinked and missed this? :O Can somebody tell me what happened? + Show Spoiler + Socke won 2 very short and onesided games on Meta and Xel Naga. Cloud was a little greedy on Meta and lost to a 5gate push after expand from Socke. On the second Map Socke played a Phoenix-opening into expand, Cloud played 1 Rax reactor FE into 3rax timing push, Socke saw it, addes more Gateways, defended with nice Forcefields, pushed afterwards and won | ||
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
Dunno why they did Bo3 double-elim format with 4 players. Seems kinda silly. Might as well do Bo5 Semi finals on the first day and Bo7 finals on the second day, or even Bo7 the whole way through. | ||
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kyla
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
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GenoZStriker
United States2914 Posts
On December 06 2010 00:57 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: Gratz Socke! Dunno why they did Bo3 double-elim format with 4 players. Seems kinda silly. Might as well do Bo5 Semi finals on the first day and Bo7 finals on the second day, or even Bo7 the whole way through. Their plan is to broadcast every single match. A double-elimination and BO5/7 could take a ridiculously long time if matches go all the way to the 5/7th game. They were already running behind schedule yesterday. This would have only made it worst. GG's Socke. | ||
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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
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shackes
Germany148 Posts
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w33dOr
Germany126 Posts
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Patriot.dlk
Sweden5462 Posts
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cHicKeLoR
Germany559 Posts
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w33dOr
Germany126 Posts
1.(P)Socke 3k 2.(T)ClouD 1.5k 3.(T)DeMusliM 700euro 4.(T)GoOdy 300euro | ||
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Skiba
Germany153 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.team-alternate.de/upload/images/gallery/g307/large/IMG_8400.JPG) Congrats Socke ! edit.: and someone should really update is Liquipedia pic :D I think the picture in the spoiler would fit nice | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
On December 06 2010 01:11 GenoZStriker wrote: Their plan is to broadcast every single match. A double-elimination and BO5/7 could take a ridiculously long time if matches go all the way to the 5/7th game. They were already running behind schedule yesterday. This would have only made it worst. GG's Socke. With Doulbe elimination you need 5 Bo3 matches to get to the finals. Otherwise its 2 Bo5 till finals + maybe a Bo5 for 2nd place. In any case its a maximum of 15 maps played. Timewise it doesnt really make a difference. They were running behind schedule because their schedule was bad and they wasted a lot of time for promotions and chatter in between the different games. 2 Bo5 and one Bo7 would've been better I guess. With 4 players in a finals tournament you really don't need double elimination in my opinion. Games yesterday were great though, whether double elim or not. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
is it per match won or per game won? does naniwa get any?:D | ||
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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hitman133
United States1425 Posts
//BTW anywhere I can watch the VOD? thanks | ||
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Timerly
Germany511 Posts
VoDs of the whole event should be up withing 48hrs. | ||
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