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zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
December 04 2010 20:53 GMT
#321
ben will win this
우리는 대-한민국입니다
kmkkmk
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany418 Posts
December 04 2010 20:56 GMT
#322
On December 05 2010 05:33 simtom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 05:05 7mk wrote:
On December 05 2010 04:57 Miros wrote:
It's easy to blame BNet for this, but let's not forget that ESL has quite the track record of royally screwing up live events. Basically every ESL event I can recall had one major technical issue at least.


Was anybody blaming B.net?
Of course you cant blame it for a PC crashing. You can blame the shitty lag on it but not this


you can blame it for not being able to save and restore a game when someone drops.


100% Agree. This is what has to be learned here. Technology could solve this problem.
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
December 04 2010 20:57 GMT
#323
Now that was a good game by Ben.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
December 04 2010 20:57 GMT
#324
great 3rd map between demu and goody :D glad that demu won
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
December 04 2010 20:57 GMT
#325
Goody is awesome, would've liked to see him advancing
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
December 04 2010 20:57 GMT
#326
Really good games. Gratz to demuslin! So when will the finals start?
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 21:00:23
December 04 2010 20:58 GMT
#327
LOL nice take
nice subtle insults there vs goody
"sagt der socke krass, ich würd viel lieber gegen goody spielen als gegen demuslim"


Aah in that huge turnaround fight Demuslim shift-attacked all the tanks manually, nice, thats how he killed that force that was much bigger than his.
beep boop
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
December 04 2010 21:01 GMT
#328
On December 05 2010 05:57 Weavel wrote:
Really good games. Gratz to demuslin! So when will the finals start?

Finals are tomorrow. DeMusliM plays Cloud later.
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zurg
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
1923 Posts
December 04 2010 21:03 GMT
#329
anyone know the time when ben vs cloud starts?
우리는 대-한민국입니다
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
December 04 2010 21:04 GMT
#330
They are behind schedule so there is no way to really tell when. FIFA finals now then CS LB1 then DeMu vs. Cloud.
eSports Prodigy & Illuminati member.
resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
December 04 2010 21:06 GMT
#331
Didn't Rotti say switch to german stream to see it, or something?
Socke Fighting!!!!
Neverplay
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria532 Posts
December 04 2010 21:06 GMT
#332
On December 05 2010 06:04 GenoZStriker wrote:
They are behind schedule so there is no way to really tell when. FIFA finals now then CS LB1 then DeMu vs. Cloud.



omg could take some time till this actually get played out
Better light a candle than curse the darkness
oooo27
Profile Joined October 2010
342 Posts
December 04 2010 21:07 GMT
#333
On December 05 2010 05:47 zere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 05:44 oooo27 wrote:
On December 05 2010 05:37 zere wrote:
Okay, then bring back 1995 online rules: Player who disconnects loses.
And add some 2010 spice to it: If the admin decides that the disconnected player was in a lead, admin can walk over the remaining player by ordering a regame. Now that I think of it, that's actually not a bad idea.

Edit: Tbh, I am, in fact, a big Demu fan, and I surely want him to win here. In no way I want to discredit Demus skill or performances. It's the system I am trying to blame here.


its not Demuslim`s fault that he disconnected, since he is not even playing on his own computer. That would be like giving a random win to one player.


Guess what, it wasn't Goody's fault either. And, still, admins would have obv. decided for a regame, so he wouldn't have lost it due to "his" disconnect.


Im not saying that. I just think that "disconnect=loss" is a really unfair idea, especially when the computers are provided by the tournament and bnet is from blizzard.

I think that normally they would have had a regame, but they were so behind schedule that they just gave Demuslim the match
arctics86
Profile Joined December 2008
Germany797 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 21:08:58
December 04 2010 21:08 GMT
#334
On December 05 2010 06:06 Neverplay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 06:04 GenoZStriker wrote:
They are behind schedule so there is no way to really tell when. FIFA finals now then CS LB1 then DeMu vs. Cloud.



omg could take some time till this actually get played out


According to schedule, lb final will start after fifa, css comes after sc, so only a one game break
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
December 04 2010 21:10 GMT
#335
On December 05 2010 06:06 resilve wrote:
Didn't Rotti say switch to german stream to see it, or something?


I think he said the german stream shows the Fifa match or whatever there's played on stage before the next SC2 game.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
hagon
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom556 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 21:17:11
December 04 2010 21:16 GMT
#336
I played Age of Empires:TC for quite a long time, the game came out in 1999 and the game engine was written in 1995, that had restore from saved game in the event of a drop, why is it so hard for for a game that 10 years younger to have such a feature? (mind you there was plenty of other stuff about AoC that was fail in terms of e-Sports)
Shawngood
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany473 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 21:22:06
December 04 2010 21:20 GMT
#337
On December 05 2010 05:24 zere wrote:
There is no solution to be offered. Unless a player gives up the game, a disconnect has to lead to a regame. Otherwise, whenever a player feels ahead, he will simply hit the Windows-button on his keyboard and cancel the LAN connection in the task bar.

That's a quite ridiculous comparison. Here at the event we have two admins, one behind each player, to make sure that everything is running correctly. The scenario you described would never happen.

I stand by my decision to rule the game a win for DeMusliM. I watched the replay together with GoOdy and I can understand his point of view. There was still a very, very minor chance for him to win, as in:

- IF his Banshees do a ton of damage (although DeMusliM had turrets and a lot of Orbital Commands to scan)
- IF his (non-blue) Hellions kill a lot of SCVs
- IF his desperate last push stands a chance against the way superior army of DeMusliM that is containing him

The chances of any of this to happen was extremely slim. But to get back into the game and to get a new base up and running he would have needed to have all these things to happen at the same time.

GoOdy was almost mined out on his two remaining bases (~1 minute mining time left) and had no more gas. He had half the worker count and a ton of less supply.

I believe a referee opinion should matter in cases like these, judgement calls have their place in eSports just like they do in 'real' sports.
@ESL_Shawn
Elizar
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany431 Posts
December 04 2010 21:33 GMT
#338
demuslim vs cloud will be the legionaire match of the eps. I´m looking forward to it.
and I like the fact, that rotterdam entertains us with other sc2 games, cause I don´t like fifa.
zere
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1287 Posts
December 04 2010 21:58 GMT
#339
GG Goody and Demu, vwp games!

On December 05 2010 06:20 Shawngood wrote:
There was still a very, very minor chance for him to win, as in:

- IF his Banshees do a ton of damage (although DeMusliM had turrets and a lot of Orbital Commands to scan)
- IF his (non-blue) Hellions kill a lot of SCVs
- IF his desperate last push stands a chance against the way superior army of DeMusliM that is containing him

The chances of any of this to happen was extremely slim. But to get back into the game and to get a new base up and running he would have needed to have all these things to happen at the same time.

GoOdy was almost mined out on his two remaining bases (~1 minute mining time left) and had no more gas. He had half the worker count and a ton of less supply.


I agree with you on this situation ingame, yet you still fail to see the point (I still have to remind you of the nature of SC2 games being highly volatile. You have seen Demu breaking Clouds contain and giving up the advantage again shortly afterwards. You have seen Demu breaking Goody's contain. You even admit Goody still had a chance).
Demu went 1-0 not because he won the game, but because you say Goody might not have won.
Demu went 1-0 not because his opponent lost the game, but because of ESL's technical issues which Goody could not have flanked, cliffdropped, EMPed, or nuked in any way.
What is the point of having a match and/or a whole season of matches, when it's not up to the players to decide the outcome, to play out the winner?
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Elizar
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany431 Posts
December 04 2010 22:01 GMT
#340
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