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antas
Indonesia300 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:16 G.s)NarutO wrote: Any recommended games today? I would recommend HongUn games, not that spectacular but decent. I don't know about the first game though, coming too late for game 1 (Fruitdealer). Game 2: Lyn vs Stc is also good, but was typical TvT long game, I don't really like that. TvT is the sole reason I'm not playing T :p | ||
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Kavas
Australia3421 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:15 oZii wrote: Looks like he is right, many protoss players remembers His Phoenix play against Zenio in GSL 1. It was pretty memorable. You don't see a lot of Protoss (in fact I can't remember any off the top of my head) going stargate as toss. Usually it's 3/4 gates and Colossus. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
OP not updated yet | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:17 yandere991 wrote: I love your attitude, it reminds me exactly of all the terrans who asked for "evidence" that 60 damage siege tanks wasn't strong against zerg. The evidence was terrans were winning(and still are anyway) over 60% of all tournament titles. Also blizzard have made it clear that they are tracking ingame statistics i.e. how many games were won using unit X. Boom, next. Any more noobs want to get pwned? | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/vod/1054 http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/vod/1104 I hate to prove you completely and utterly wrong metalwing, oh wait I fucking love it, please dont spread your total misinformation here. | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On November 23 2010 21:58 Metalwing wrote: Actually if HongUn had won only 1 macro game that is longer than 15 minutes, I'd say that you were right. But he does nothing but 1 base allins since GSL Season 1. Well...even today he didn't 1 base all in the first game. He won when he was on one base. Doesn't make it all in, or cheesy, his opponent was just bad so he could finish it early. | ||
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cuppatea
United Kingdom1401 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:16 G.s)NarutO wrote: Any recommended games today? The games today were really, really bad. Really bad. I wouldn't recommend any of them. Really (did I mention they were bad?). | ||
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oZii
United States1198 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:13 Metalwing wrote: Nice writeup, but none of his wins were macro and longer than 15 minutes. He still proved that your point was completely biased by saying he does NOTHING but 1 base. When this shows its actually the opposite of that. I guess you are right though 15 minutes No Rush = macro. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:18 wxwx wrote: To the zergs who watched this match and thinks their race can no longer FE due to "op cannons"... Simply go pool first then hatch. Keep a drone patrol also. It's almost the same econ-wise really. Going hatch first is a gamble which would pay off slightly. I am sure the zerg that just lost is not whining about "op cannons", but more about luck of the spawn-positions. Youre misunderstanding the issue. I want to have options. I want to use strategies. i want to be able to expand and defend expansions. It's fine if he cannons me, but i want to be able to match my skill against his skill and see who comes out on top. | ||
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Pervect
1280 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:13 Metalwing wrote: Nice writeup, but none of his wins were macro and longer than 15 minutes. Game 1 vs Zenio ends up being about 16 minutes real time (so the clock would indicate a longer game) and HongUn ends up on 3 base. His third set against Cezanne is also fairly macro based and those were during season 1 when longer games tended to be a little more rare than they are now. Both those games HongUn had the intention of playing a macro game and ended up fairly longer and he won. Unless I'm mistaking him for someone else, I thought I recall watching him play a couple exciting PvZ's on Gisado a while back that ended up being longer and good games. From what I've seen (and what HongUn said in his season 1 interviews) I think he wound, in general, rather play a longer game but is uncomfortable with the current state of PvZ (indicated by his interview after today's match) and choose what he did because he no longer feels confident in his personal ability to compete with the Zerg in a longer game, despite desires to do so. | ||
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Eternalmisfit
United States643 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:19 Subversion wrote: what were the results? OP not updated yet Fruit Dealer > Tosyad 2-0 ScfoU>Bless 2-1 BestfoU>Anypro 2-0 + Show Spoiler + Game 1: Anypro went for a fast expand. Best attacked with 3 units and won Game 2: Anypro went 3gate timing attack. Almost took the bunker at ramp down on 1st attack but bunker was repaired. Best's single cloaked banshee killed his probe line and anypro gg'd HongUnPrime>NexNaya 2-0 + Show Spoiler + Game 1: 1 Void ray harass into blink stalkers for HongUn. NexNaya didn't have enough units to defend. Game 2: Cannon block of ramp on close positions on Metal while NexNaya went 14 hatch | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
Quick, clean wins by HongUn. A bit sad that Dreamizer and Bless lost after balling so hard a few times there. Aside from that all of the games were e-barf. | ||
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antas
Indonesia300 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:19 Subversion wrote: what were the results? OP not updated yet + Show Spoiler + Tosyad < Scrap Station > FruitDealer Tosyad < Jungle Basin > FruitDealer sCfOu < Metalopolis > Bless sCfOu < Lost Temple > Bless sCfOu < Scrap Station > Bless anyproPrime < Lost Temple > TheBestfOu anyproPrime < Steppes of War > TheBestfOu NEXNaya < Delta Quadrant > HongUnPrime NEXNaya < Metalopolis > HongUnPrime | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:23 Eternalmisfit wrote: Fruit Dealer > Tosyad 2-0 ScfoU>Bless 2-1 BestfoU>Anypro 2-0 + Show Spoiler + Game 1: Anypro went for a fast expand. Best attacked with 3 units and won Game 2: Anypro went 3gate timing attack. Almost took the bunker at ramp down on 1st attack but bunker was repaired. Best's single cloaked banshee killed his probe line and anypro gg'd HongUnPrime>NexNaya 2-0 + Show Spoiler + Game 1: 1 Void ray harass into blink stalkers for HongUn. NexNaya didn't have enough units to defend. Game 2: Cannon rush on close positions on Metal tnx dude! think i got another liquibet pwned with these results lol | ||
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wristuzi
United Kingdom1168 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:23 Eternalmisfit wrote: Fruit Dealer > Tosyad 2-0 ScfoU>Bless 2-1 BestfoU>Anypro 2-0 + Show Spoiler + Game 1: Anypro went for a fast expand. Best attacked with 3 units and won Game 2: Anypro went 3gate timing attack. Almost took the bunker at ramp down on 1st attack but bunker was repaired. Best's single cloaked banshee killed his probe line and anypro gg'd HongUnPrime>NexNaya 2-0 + Show Spoiler + Game 1: 1 Void ray harass into blink stalkers for HongUn. NexNaya didn't have enough units to defend. Game 2: Cannon rush on close positions on Metal Thx for the results (quoting to make sure people can see them later on). + Show Spoiler + BAH, Anypro lost. I'm glad HongUn is through, but really, I wanted both. Protoss so underrepresented  FD kickin but though, which is good. | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:19 Sfydjklm wrote: The evidence was terrans were winning(and still are anyway) over 60% of all tournament titles. Also blizzard have made it clear that they are tracking ingame statistics i.e. how many games were won using unit X. Boom, next. Any more noobs want to get pwned? And the mediocre showing of protoss is because we need to L2P. Of course evidence inferring the weak state of protoss is invalid but the evidence of zerg players are are not. Could also lose the condescending attitude, its quite pathetic. | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:19 Sfydjklm wrote: The evidence was terrans were winning(and still are anyway) over 60% of all tournament titles. Also blizzard have made it clear that they are tracking ingame statistics i.e. how many games were won using unit X. Boom, next. Any more noobs want to get pwned? Why are you talking about tournament titles? It took me a while to figure out which side you are arguing for. Look at what race has been winning. Anyway I feel the metagame has been changing so much that it is too difficult to say which matchups are imbalanced. We need to give it more time. Perhaps protosses will discover something that gives them a higher qualifying rate in GSL4. Who knows? So lets discuss balance after a month of tournament results, not after one series. Maps and positions were definitely in P favor. Also the skill level of the Z is non-testified. GG's anyway. | ||
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ace246
Australia360 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:19 Sfydjklm wrote: The evidence was terrans were winning(and still are anyway) over 60% of all tournament titles. Also blizzard have made it clear that they are tracking ingame statistics i.e. how many games were won using unit X. Boom, next. Any more noobs want to get pwned? WOW you really are good... LIKE A HIRED PROFESSIONAL (hired by a jewish grasshopper) | ||
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Shizuru~
Malaysia1676 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:22 Sfydjklm wrote: Youre misunderstanding the issue. I want to have options. I want to use strategies. i want to be able to expand and defend expansions. It's fine if he cannons me, but i want to be able to match my skill against his skill and see who comes out on top. its called build order advantage? u wanna do a build that rewards at a later stages of the game while having a weaker early game strength, well guess what u will be at a disadvantage at the early stages of the game because ur taking a risk why the hell are u guys complaining when ur punished for doing a greedy build? and expect to be able to 14 hatch every game without consequences? | ||
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