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On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke
Yeah because forge fast expand is a 1base all in right? But lets not have that over shadow your amazing feat of figuring out what all Korean Protoss's are doing wrong *rolls eyes*
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On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke
Yeah. I think top korean protosses are way better than socke.
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On November 23 2010 22:00 yandere991 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 21:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:49 yandere991 wrote:On November 23 2010 21:47 Metalwing wrote:
I definitely wouldn't gg to this guy. Naturally you would clap for the zerg who 6 pool or the zerg who 7rr. In those games it would naturally be the oppositions fault for not reacting correctly. 6 pool or 7rr cheeses are garbage. the fact that your micro is bad doesnt mean that at the highest level those things work. Yes oGsNada and oGsInca both have terrible micro and tell me which part of the post did I say I have trouble with it. Just using it to point out the heavy bias that usually happens when a zerg wins with cheese and when a protoss does it we need to crucify him.
Inca yes, in case of Nada however- there is a difference between being garbage and never winning games. 6 pool is a weaker equivalent of proxy gates, but cannon rush is in no way same ballpark.
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On November 23 2010 22:00 Metalwing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 21:59 Kavas wrote:On November 23 2010 21:58 Spectorials wrote:
What did the interview say? "Roach Imba" HongUnPrime.WE I lost my non-existing respect to HongUnPrime after this thing.
you're obviously a Z player..
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On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke
This.
On November 23 2010 22:04 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke Yeah because forge fast expand is a 1base all in right? But lets not have that over shadow your amazing feat of figuring out what all Korean Protoss's are doing wrong *rolls eyes*
Fast expand? So you say that building cannons and pylons in your opponent's nat is fast expand? There was no friggin nexus and you call it FE? Rearrange your sc related terminology plz.
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On November 23 2010 22:00 mavyric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 21:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:55 mavyric wrote:On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase. maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game? WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg? Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk? And how many times do you see T or P actaully sucessfully expanding when Z is playing off one base? That's what I thought A lot. Zerg playing off 1 base is a BO loss against anything anyway so what are you getting at. Look, what I'm trying to say is simple When you see a FE, Just Kill It If the Zerg was one basing, there is absolutly no reason he would lose if he just attacks the player that is fast expanding If FE worked that well every T and P would be doing it all the time.
Maybe you should go watch some games instead of arguing on the forums. There hasnt been a week since Nestea played Genius and you tell me that.
One basing zerg will break a FEing P/T in less then 50% of the attempts.
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On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke
Which is why Socke can't even secure a top finish at the much lower skill MLG Dallas? Korean protosses are playing the way they do because it's currently what works best.
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On November 23 2010 22:06 Metalwing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke This. Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:04 Dommk wrote:On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke Yeah because forge fast expand is a 1base all in right? But lets not have that over shadow your amazing feat of figuring out what all Korean Protoss's are doing wrong *rolls eyes* Fast expand? So you say that building cannons and pylons in your opponent's nat is fast expand? There was no friggin nexus and you call it FE? Rearrange your sc related terminology plz.
He was clearly going for a forge FE, you can tell it by the pylon/forge placement. Then he scouted the 14hatch in clos pos and went for it.
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Some people seem to forget they play to win the money not friends on an internet message board.
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Fast expand? So you say that building cannons and pylons in your opponent's nat is fast expand? There was no friggin nexus and you call it FE? Rearrange your sc related terminology plz.
The entire build is meant for a fast expand, but when you see the opponent has idiotically gone for a 14 hatch where as you have already a forge out, why wouldn't you just take your free win?
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On November 23 2010 22:07 Shakes wrote:
Some people seem to forget they play to win the money not friends on an internet message board.
XD
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On November 23 2010 21:56 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 21:49 yandere991 wrote:On November 23 2010 21:47 Metalwing wrote:
I definitely wouldn't gg to this guy. Naturally you would clap for the zerg who 6 pool or the zerg who 7rr. In those games it would naturally be the oppositions fault for not reacting correctly. 6 pool or 7rr cheeses are garbage. the fact that your micro is bad doesnt mean that at the highest level those things work.
I can't figure out whether you're trolling or just being ignorant. Every build has its place, and depending on what your opponent does, it can either put you in an winning, advantageous, equal, disadvantageous, losing, and everything else inbetween. You said that at high level cheeses don't work.. which is ridiculous, there have been numerous 6 pools and 2 rax all-ins w/ SCVs in this GSL as well as previous ones.
Going for a 14 hatch on extremely close positions when they've scouted, you've got to assume aggression, simply because it will counter your FE build. Cannon rush, marine all in etc.
Same goes for a Terran who blindly 14 CCs against Zerg on close positions. Anything under a 10pool would be almost instant win.
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On November 23 2010 22:07 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 mavyric wrote:On November 23 2010 21:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:55 mavyric wrote:On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase. maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game? WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg? Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk? And how many times do you see T or P actaully sucessfully expanding when Z is playing off one base? That's what I thought A lot. Zerg playing off 1 base is a BO loss against anything anyway so what are you getting at. Look, what I'm trying to say is simple When you see a FE, Just Kill It If the Zerg was one basing, there is absolutly no reason he would lose if he just attacks the player that is fast expanding If FE worked that well every T and P would be doing it all the time. Maybe you should go watch some games instead of arguing on the forums. There hasnt been a week since Nestea played Genius and you tell me that. One basing zerg will break a FEing P/T in less then 50% of the attempts.
OK Mr. smart guy Why DONT they FE every game then?
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On November 23 2010 22:07 42bsk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke Which is why Socke can't even secure a top finish at the much lower skill MLG Dallas? Korean protosses are playing the way they do because it's currently what works best.
ya huh.
What basis exactly do you have for claiming MLG was lower skill.
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On November 23 2010 22:06 Metalwing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke This. Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:04 Dommk wrote:On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke Yeah because forge fast expand is a 1base all in right? But lets not have that over shadow your amazing feat of figuring out what all Korean Protoss's are doing wrong *rolls eyes* Fast expand? So you say that building cannons and pylons in your opponent's nat is fast expand? There was no friggin nexus and you call it FE? Rearrange your sc related terminology plz.
Ow please ...
It was planned for FE, just look at the positioning of his first pylon. He did end up cannon rushing since he saw a window of opportunity there.
Actually it's a really good idea from HongUn, whenever he saw an opportunity like that he can easily cannon rushing, otherwise he can sit back and FE-ing. I like the idea but I don't think I can pull this one easily, not at my current skill.
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On November 23 2010 22:07 42bsk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke Which is why Socke can't even secure a top finish at the much lower skill MLG Dallas? Korean protosses are playing the way they do because it's currently what works best.
Placement is one thing, but I remember epic matches vs Sen and Jinro in MLG, showing Socke's level of play to be very solid, GSL kind of solid.
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On November 23 2010 22:06 Metalwing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke This. Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:04 Dommk wrote:On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.
I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke Yeah because forge fast expand is a 1base all in right? But lets not have that over shadow your amazing feat of figuring out what all Korean Protoss's are doing wrong *rolls eyes* Fast expand? So you say that building cannons and pylons in your opponent's nat is fast expand? There was no friggin nexus and you call it FE? Rearrange your sc related terminology plz.
It just didn't make it that far its cannon contain he needed to see if there was a counter attack if there wasnt he could have thrown down his nexus. Zerg just went all in counter attack instead of going to expo elsewhere. You dont build your forge at the bottom of your ramp if your not planning to FFE.
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On November 23 2010 22:06 truewt wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 Metalwing wrote:On November 23 2010 21:59 Kavas wrote:On November 23 2010 21:58 Spectorials wrote:
What did the interview say? "Roach Imba" HongUnPrime.WE I lost my non-existing respect to HongUnPrime after this thing. you're obviously a Z player..
No, I'm just someone who doesn't respect cheesers/1base players AND stupid people who say "roach imba" without playing any televised games that has roaches in it.
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On November 23 2010 22:08 mavyric wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:07 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 22:00 mavyric wrote:On November 23 2010 21:58 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:55 mavyric wrote:On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase. maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game? WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg? Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk? And how many times do you see T or P actaully sucessfully expanding when Z is playing off one base? That's what I thought A lot. Zerg playing off 1 base is a BO loss against anything anyway so what are you getting at. Look, what I'm trying to say is simple When you see a FE, Just Kill It If the Zerg was one basing, there is absolutly no reason he would lose if he just attacks the player that is fast expanding If FE worked that well every T and P would be doing it all the time. Maybe you should go watch some games instead of arguing on the forums. There hasnt been a week since Nestea played Genius and you tell me that. One basing zerg will break a FEing P/T in less then 50% of the attempts. OK Mr. smart guy Why DONT they FE every game then?
Because different people have different styles.
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On November 23 2010 22:04 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 22:00 yandere991 wrote:On November 23 2010 21:56 Sfydjklm wrote:On November 23 2010 21:49 yandere991 wrote:On November 23 2010 21:47 Metalwing wrote:
I definitely wouldn't gg to this guy. Naturally you would clap for the zerg who 6 pool or the zerg who 7rr. In those games it would naturally be the oppositions fault for not reacting correctly. 6 pool or 7rr cheeses are garbage. the fact that your micro is bad doesnt mean that at the highest level those things work. Yes oGsNada and oGsInca both have terrible micro and tell me which part of the post did I say I have trouble with it. Just using it to point out the heavy bias that usually happens when a zerg wins with cheese and when a protoss does it we need to crucify him. Inca yes, in case of Nada however- there is a difference between being garbage and never winning games. 6 pool is a weaker equivalent of proxy gates, but cannon rush is in no way same ballpark.
Lol you know the only reason Inca has made it deep into GSL1 and 2 is because of his micro its like saying Idra is bad at macro and Nada having terrible game sense. But of course you'll just call all top protoss players trash and note them undeserving of their success.
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