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Nightrain
Profile Joined August 2010
481 Posts
November 23 2010 12:58 GMT
#3341
herpderpzerg
If at first you don't succeed, you fail.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
November 23 2010 12:58 GMT
#3342
On November 23 2010 21:54 me_viet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:52 Metalwing wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:49 yandere991 wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:47 Metalwing wrote:
I definitely wouldn't gg to this guy.


Naturally you would clap for the zerg who 6 pool or the zerg who 7rr. In those games it would naturally be the oppositions fault for not reacting correctly.


Tell me ANY particular case where 6pool or 7rr is that dependant on map (yes, it depends on rush distance but WTF was this).


You realise. This is a BROADCASTED tournament and also ONLY the r64. WHY on earth would HongUn prime want to show off his strat to the WHOLE world, when he didn't have to?


Actually if HongUn had won only 1 macro game that is longer than 15 minutes, I'd say that you were right. But he does nothing but 1 base allins since GSL Season 1.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
Spectorials
Profile Joined October 2010
558 Posts
November 23 2010 12:58 GMT
#3343
What did the interview say?
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
November 23 2010 12:58 GMT
#3344
On November 23 2010 21:55 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase.



maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game?

WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg?
Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk?


What are you actually talking about?

P and T don't FE every damn game.

I'm happy P and T can afford to encorporate various styles and zerg players dont.
Thanks for supporting my arguement.
twitter.com/therealdhalism | "Trying out Z = lots of losses vs inferior players until you figure out how to do it well (if it even works)."- Liquid'Tyler
Kavas
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia3421 Posts
November 23 2010 12:59 GMT
#3345
On November 23 2010 21:58 Spectorials wrote:
What did the interview say?

"Roach Imba" HongUnPrime.WE
HuHEN
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom514 Posts
November 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#3346
On November 23 2010 21:54 Metalwing wrote:
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On November 23 2010 21:51 xevis wrote:
anypro fast expand and look at what happened to him


Yeh, when we see it on this way, doing 1 base allins like HongUn does since GSL S1 is much better. After all, he achieved code s with only 1 base allins.



You just dont remember his games, I specifically remember him doing a macro style with blink stalkers, he did a 1gate FE in almost every game, for gods sake dont just make up bullshit when you dont know WTF you are talking about.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
November 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#3347
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.

I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke
yandere991
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia394 Posts
November 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#3348
On November 23 2010 21:56 Sfydjklm wrote:

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On November 23 2010 21:49 yandere991 wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:47 Metalwing wrote:
I definitely wouldn't gg to this guy.


Naturally you would clap for the zerg who 6 pool or the zerg who 7rr. In those games it would naturally be the oppositions fault for not reacting correctly.

6 pool or 7rr cheeses are garbage.
the fact that your micro is bad doesnt mean that at the highest level those things work.


Yes oGsNada and oGsInca both have terrible micro and tell me which part of the post did I say I have trouble with it. Just using it to point out the heavy bias that usually happens when a zerg wins with cheese and when a protoss does it we need to crucify him.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
November 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#3349
On November 23 2010 21:59 Kavas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:58 Spectorials wrote:
What did the interview say?

"Roach Imba" HongUnPrime.WE


I lost my non-existing respect to HongUnPrime after this thing.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
November 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#3350
On November 23 2010 21:58 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:55 The KY wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase.



maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game?

WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg?
Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk?


What are you actually talking about?

P and T don't FE every damn game.

I'm happy P and T can afford to encorporate various styles and zerg players dont.
Thanks for supporting my arguement.



Protoss can not fast expand vs zerg at all. Or terran before 20 supply, just like a zerg now.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
mavyric
Profile Joined November 2010
Taiwan104 Posts
November 23 2010 13:00 GMT
#3351
On November 23 2010 21:58 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:55 mavyric wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase.



maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game?

WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg?
Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk?



And how many times do you see T or P actaully sucessfully expanding when Z is playing off one base?




That's what I thought

A lot.
Zerg playing off 1 base is a BO loss against anything anyway so what are you getting at.



Look, what I'm trying to say is simple

When you see a FE, Just Kill It

If the Zerg was one basing, there is absolutly no reason he would lose if he just attacks the player that is fast expanding

If FE worked that well every T and P would be doing it all the time.
Vive Hodie
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
November 23 2010 13:01 GMT
#3352
Lol, I like HongUn answers, that really made Junkka works really hard in translating :D

I don't like about this balance question in this interview, but it seems that HongUn bringing up good points.
Entaro Adun!
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6565 Posts
November 23 2010 13:01 GMT
#3353
lol alksjdflkasjdflkj your white knighting for zerg might have been seen as noble before the patch but I don't understand why you are still crying now. can you really not win zvp? btw a 12 forge is an instant loss vs anything else the zerg does. and if he goes 13 gate and the zerg went hatch first the zealot doesn't get there in time to suddenly throw down a forge and wall off; you need a 10gate- 16 forge for that kind of timing. So it's not like the protoss can do one opener and have it insta win vs every zerg build post patch.
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Jerax
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada189 Posts
November 23 2010 13:01 GMT
#3354
can anyone give us a damn results spoiler..looks like the OP went awol...have no idea of the results from day 2b
HuHEN
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom514 Posts
November 23 2010 13:01 GMT
#3355
Also! He lost to kyrix 2base allins, BECAUSE HE WAS TRYING TO FE OMFG STFU WITH THIS BS!
me_viet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia1350 Posts
November 23 2010 13:02 GMT
#3356
On November 23 2010 21:54 Wayem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:53 LittleeD wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:50 Wayem wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:49 LittleeD wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:45 Pudge_172 wrote:
Advancing so far:

T 6
Z 5
P 3



T: 6 out of 11
Z: 5 out of 12
P: 3 out of 5

Protoss doing nice so far.


You realized there were a lot of mirrors right ? -.-


Irrelevant, there hasnt been any protoss mirrors. So they are still doing nice so far.


Lol ? That's the reason ! ZvZ and TvT reduce the number of them advancing but no PvP makes P look more successful...


lol stop trolling, u get 0/10 for effort. Your just picking fights with every1 now.

"but no PvP makes P look more successful" - That's cause of the low number of P's making it into the ro64. Also Junkka probably made a conscious effort to reduce the number of PvP therefore if P still going into the ro32, it'll just means P is faring the same as every1 else.
HuHEN
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom514 Posts
November 23 2010 13:03 GMT
#3357
On November 23 2010 22:00 crappen wrote:
Of course Hongun is crying, this kid does nothing but 1 base, and this is the nr1 problem with protoss in korea. Seen Socke play? This guy is amazing, makes me wanna play protoss.

I think korean protoss needs to learn to play the damn race instead of all this 3gate pushes they do. Take a lesson or two from Socke



Will people not spread this bullshit, I realize some of you cant remember his games and thats fine, but for gods sake dont just bend reality to your bias.
Metalwing
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Turkey1038 Posts
November 23 2010 13:03 GMT
#3358
On November 23 2010 21:58 Sfydjklm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:55 The KY wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:53 Sfydjklm wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:48 Shizuru~ wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:46 Wysp wrote:
forge will probably see a build time increase.



maybe Zergs needs to think twice now rather than just lol14hatch every game?

WTF it's okay for P or T to FE but not for zerg?
Moreover it is okay that P can adjust their strategy on the fly instead of executing a premiditated offense and recieve a win with 0 effort or risk?


What are you actually talking about?

P and T don't FE every damn game.

I'm happy P and T can afford to encorporate various styles and zerg players dont.
Thanks for supporting my arguement.


And now Zerg can't fast expand vs T and vs P. What kind of "various styles" are you talking about? Zerg can't 1 base allin like T and P, so I don't see a good ending for this.
#1 CheckPrime fan // Terrans gonna Terran
Brutus
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
November 23 2010 13:03 GMT
#3359
Can someone tell me what happend? Stuck at school atm
Wayem
Profile Joined May 2010
France455 Posts
November 23 2010 13:04 GMT
#3360
On November 23 2010 21:57 LittleeD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2010 21:54 Wayem wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:53 LittleeD wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:50 Wayem wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:49 LittleeD wrote:
On November 23 2010 21:45 Pudge_172 wrote:
Advancing so far:

T 6
Z 5
P 3



T: 6 out of 11
Z: 5 out of 12
P: 3 out of 5

Protoss doing nice so far.


You realized there were a lot of mirrors right ? -.-


Irrelevant, there hasnt been any protoss mirrors. So they are still doing nice so far.


Lol ? That's the reason ! ZvZ and TvT reduce the number of them advancing but no PvP makes P look more successful...


Imagine Three match ups:
ZvZ
TvT
PvP

This garentees one of each proceeding. But if its:
ZvT
TvP
PvZ
Nothing garenteed for the protoss nor anyone.


Ok so you still didn't understand.

14 matches so far. 2 ZvZ, 1 TvT, 0 PvP.

So 11 MU no mirrors.

Results:
P: 3-2
T: 5-4
Z: 3-5

So when you say

T: 6 out of 11
Z: 5 out of 12
P: 3 out of 5

it looks pretty terrible but until now it's pretty even.

Still, it's meaningless for balance.




"who needs micro when you can have more stuff ?" -day9
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