EPT[GSL] S3 Ro64 Day 2 - Page 172
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jeremycafe
United States354 Posts
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:28 Shizuru~ wrote: its called build order advantage? u wanna do a build that rewards at a later stages of the game while having a weaker early game strength, well guess what u will be at a disadvantage at the early stages of the game because ur taking a risk why the hell are u guys complaining when ur punished for doing a greedy build? and expect to be able to 14 hatch every game without consequences? i'm fine with risks, it's a 100% loss part i'm worried about. | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
*i missed the hungun games lol | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:27 yandere991 wrote: And the mediocre showing of protoss is because we need to L2P. Of course evidence inferring the weak state of protoss is invalid but the evidence of zerg players are are not. Could also lose the condescending attitude, its quite pathetic. You're talking about evidence you can not provide. Here buddy i'll help you since youre clearly not on my level. GSL 2 winrate for ZvP is 70%. To which i claim but MLG dallas its 60% in favor of protoss, and Genius won Blizzcon and beat GSL 2 champ in GOMTV invitational. Also Whitera is in the finals of GGI after beating Sen(who 3-1ed huk) and Dimaga to get there. And Krolu 2-0ed dimaga in IEM qualifications. To which you say but whitera has lost to Deathangel 1-2 in the very same qualifications. So there we go there is no evidence whatsoever to claim that ZvP is imbalanced towards neither Z nor P, and it's simply the extreme effectiveness and accessability of cannon rushes that we're discussing here. | ||
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ShadezOwnage
184 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:29 jeremycafe wrote: Where the Nov 23, 2010 19:00 KST(GMT+9) matches played? Thought they would have been going on still but live says 14 hours till next and no results posted here or on gom they played. none of these idiots can pause for a second from their zvp bs to update us on who won the matches. | ||
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Sfydjklm
United States9218 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:36 ShadezOwnage wrote: they played. none of these idiots can pause for a second from their zvp bs to update us on who won the matches. maybe an idiot is the one who cant go to the last page of the thread to look for updates? | ||
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ShadezOwnage
184 Posts
I cant even tell if he won or lost.... | ||
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Bleb
Croatia278 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:42 ShadezOwnage wrote: The last 10 pages have been about HongUnPrimes interview. I cant even tell if he won or lost.... he wouldn't be giving interview if he'd lost ; ) | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:42 ShadezOwnage wrote: The last 10 pages have been about HongUnPrimes interview. I cant even tell if he won or lost.... Uh, there are multiple posts on the last page giving the results. | ||
palookieblue
Australia326 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:36 Sfydjklm wrote: You're talking about evidence you can not provide. Here buddy i'll help you since youre clearly not on my level. GSL 2 winrate for ZvP is 70%. To which i claim but MLG dallas its 60% in favor of protoss, and Genius won Blizzcon and beat GSL 2 champ in GOMTV invitational. Also Whitera is in the finals of GGI after beating Sen(who 3-1ed huk) and Dimaga to get there. And Krolu 2-0ed dimaga in IEM qualifications. To which you say but whitera has lost to Deathangel 1-2 in the very same qualifications. So there we go there is no evidence whatsoever to claim that ZvP is imbalanced towards neither Z nor P, and it's simply the extreme effectiveness and accessability of cannon rushes that we're discussing here. You are so condescending in your posts, it's really unbecoming. ): Your 'evidence' is nothing more than selecting games here and there, results from so-and-so tournament that support your ramblings. GSL is a higher level tournament than MLG. This is my opinion. I don't feel obligated to provide evidence for this statement since I'm quite sure most people will agree with me, and having watched both tournaments, this is not even worth discussing. You posted earlier than you didn't agree, and I don't really know what to say to you. Secondly, you're bringing up Blizzcon? Blizzcon had some decent players, but c'mon, it was for show. Case in point: BoxeR vs Fruitdealer wasn't even part of the main tournament. You're claiming all this ridiculous stuff and not backing it properly at all, whilst shooting down anyone else who disagrees. | ||
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ulf5
Sweden208 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:42 ShadezOwnage wrote: The last 10 pages have been about HongUnPrimes interview. I cant even tell if he won or lost.... They interview the winner. | ||
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SiNoCiDe
Turkey67 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:36 ShadezOwnage wrote: they played. none of these idiots can pause for a second from their zvp bs to update us on who won the matches. Page 171, maybe you can refrain from calling everyone an idiot once you learn to read. | ||
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Piledriver
United States1697 Posts
On November 23 2010 21:49 Metalwing wrote: A win is legit as long as you don't match fix, but I would just outrage if someone at the GSL played those abuse orientated strats against me let alone gg'ing. LOL, you wont even get into GSL qualifiers with your gold level play. A player going 14 hatch must be prepared to deal with the consequences of his decision. I dont understand these zergs QQing about this shit. Maybe you should go back to the practice league with destructable rocks and transition into custom games named as "14 minutes no rush kk??" and transition into leaving if the opponent rushes. I mean its not just zvp, there is a whole thread on zvt about 2 rax scv rushes and another bunch of zergs QQing there, about how abusive it is. Do zergs do nothing but QQ? Perhaps if you actually played the game instead of camping forums and whining nonstop perhaps you would get better. Mind boggling. | ||
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yandere991
Australia394 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:36 Sfydjklm wrote: You're talking about evidence you can not provide. Here buddy i'll help you since youre clearly not on my level. GSL 2 winrate for ZvP is 70%. To which i claim but MLG dallas its 60% in favor of protoss, and Genius won Blizzcon and beat GSL 2 champ in GOMTV invitational. Also Whitera is in the finals of GGI after beating Sen(who 3-1ed huk) and Dimaga to get there. And Krolu 2-0ed dimaga in IEM qualifications. To which you say but whitera has lost to Deathangel 1-2 in the very same qualifications. So there we go there is no evidence whatsoever to claim that ZvP is imbalanced towards neither Z nor P, and it's simply the extreme effectiveness and accessability of cannon rushes that we're discussing here. I agree that I'm certainly not on your level in terms of arrogance and most people would agree that GSL is the tournament with the highest skill level and thus where the balance analysis should be placed but of course you'll refute this and pull some other statistics from a lower tier tournament to prove otherwise. Yes cannon contains are effective but so are cloaked banshees against a non robo protoss, so deal with it. I don't tell terrans on the ladder to diaf, l2p, etc when he sees a twilight council and goes cloak so maybe you should do the same to protoss who cannon contains. I think we derailed this thread long enough and nothing protoss will say would convince you otherwise of your point. I'm beginning to think the UP phase of zerg made most of their players extremely spiteful as evident in most of the posts here. | ||
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Gorguts
Canada254 Posts
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
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Ryzu
United States369 Posts
On November 23 2010 22:48 Piledriver wrote: LOL, you wont even get into GSL qualifiers with your gold level play. A player going 14 hatch must be prepared to deal with the consequences of his decision. I dont understand these zergs QQing about this shit. Maybe you should go back to the practice league with destructable rocks and transition into custom games named as "14 minutes no rush kk??" and transition into leaving if the opponent rushes. Mind boggling. Agreed. If you're going to 14 hatch, prepare to be rushed. Otherwise, Pool first, open balanced, not economically cheesing, and maybe, just maybe, the Zerg won't get rolled in the first 10 minutes. If you 14 hatch, you are willingly accepting that risk. It cannot be whined and argued about. It would be like a Terran or Protoss going 15/16 CC-Nexus, and then whining when the Zerg goes Roach all-in. | ||
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Gegenschein
Canada107 Posts
You're talking about evidence you can not provide. Here buddy i'll help you since youre clearly not on my level. GSL 2 winrate for ZvP is 70%. To which i claim but MLG dallas its 60% in favor of protoss, and Genius won Blizzcon and beat GSL 2 champ in GOMTV invitational. Also Whitera is in the finals of GGI after beating Sen(who 3-1ed huk) and Dimaga to get there. And Krolu 2-0ed dimaga in IEM qualifications. To which you say but whitera has lost to Deathangel 1-2 in the very same qualifications. So there we go there is no evidence whatsoever to claim that ZvP is imbalanced towards neither Z nor P, and it's simply the extreme effectiveness and accessability of cannon rushes that we're discussing here. I dare point out that 3 out of the 5 best Protosses at MLG Dallas didn't manage to qualify for GSL3. The other 2, of course, simply didn't go to Korea. | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
Problem solved. | ||
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