|
Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On November 23 2010 23:25 Holgerius wrote:I've been very disappointed when watching GSL lately. There's so much all-in, 1 base stuff going on all the time.  I wants macro games. I wants BW style greediness from both players. I wants players to learn how to defend all the silly aggression. I wants the overall mentality to change from ''How can I find a way to kill him off when he's being greedy'' to ''How can I outgreed him when he's being greedy''.
It's quite simple. Terran isn't as good late game, and it's pretty obvious. Zerg late game as well as Protoss late game just wreck Terran. And since there are a billion Terrans, all they do is try to end it early, playing to the strengths of their race.
|
On November 23 2010 23:48 sleepingdog wrote:
Wow, sometimes it seems like 80% of TL are zerg-players.
How can anybody in his right mind blame protoss-cheese for a loss with a 14 hatch? Seriously? If somebody 14 hatches me he asks me for cannons - then he better have some damn skill or just die right there, 14 hatches close positions insults me like a double 10 gate PvP.
Don't frickin 14 hatch, at least not close position, zerg has tons of safe(r) openings that do just fine. It really seems like toss have to cannon over and over and over again until the zergs finally learn.
Yesterday Sen, today Naya, stupid openings that beg for cannons. Why...just...why?
Seriously, people dont realise that 14 hatch is a greedy build. It shouldnt be standard. Cannons and early marines pressures are key to preventing zerg economy stomping. If zergs didnt 14 hatch every single game, you wouldnt see so much all in and 1 base from terran/protoss. I just cant wait until 14 hatch gets punished so much that they stop doing it everygame.
|
On November 23 2010 22:50 Gorguts wrote:
I don't get why you zerg players are so obsessed with 14 hatching. It's been proven to be the same economically as a speedling expand with hatch around 20 or w/e. The only advantage is slightly faster creep spread.
wait waht, where? How was it proven? I'm sure a speedling expand is not economically the same as a hatch first build.
It is safer, and less prone to cheese due to being able to pump lings earlier. But you'll be behind on production. Also, don't underestimate the creep spread.
|
Russian Federation370 Posts
On November 24 2010 00:09 Darpa wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 23:48 sleepingdog wrote:
Wow, sometimes it seems like 80% of TL are zerg-players.
How can anybody in his right mind blame protoss-cheese for a loss with a 14 hatch? Seriously? If somebody 14 hatches me he asks me for cannons - then he better have some damn skill or just die right there, 14 hatches close positions insults me like a double 10 gate PvP.
Don't frickin 14 hatch, at least not close position, zerg has tons of safe(r) openings that do just fine. It really seems like toss have to cannon over and over and over again until the zergs finally learn.
Yesterday Sen, today Naya, stupid openings that beg for cannons. Why...just...why? Seriously, people dont realise that 14 hatch is a greedy build. It shouldnt be standard. Cannons and early marines pressures are key to preventing zerg economy stomping. If zergs didnt 14 hatch every single game, you wouldnt see so much all in and 1 base from terran/protoss. I just cant wait until 14 hatch gets punished so much that they stop doing it everygame.
Nah, with good drone micro 14 hatch pretty safe build.
|
Can somebody say what genius said during the interview? very interested in that...
|
Yeah! My boy sC representing! All the way!
|
On November 24 2010 00:08 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 12:18 oZii wrote:On November 23 2010 12:17 karlmengsk wrote:
If I'm not mistaken NSP_Genius is NEXGenius and should be listed as Protoss. Go Haypro!!! Yea its the same person. On the even calendar it has him as Protoss here its as Zerg he either actually did switch or this was a mistake(hopes its a mistake) Anyone know why he switched teams?
He didn't - NsP is just a clan, he's currently teamless and only practicing on ladder. He did not specifiy why he left ZeNEX.
|
I just got home from work, are any of the matches from 2B highly recommended?
|
On November 24 2010 00:09 Roffles wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 23:25 Holgerius wrote:I've been very disappointed when watching GSL lately. There's so much all-in, 1 base stuff going on all the time. I wants macro games. I wants BW style greediness from both players. I wants players to learn how to defend all the silly aggression. I wants the overall mentality to change from ''How can I find a way to kill him off when he's being greedy'' to ''How can I outgreed him when he's being greedy''. It's quite simple. Terran isn't as good late game, and it's pretty obvious. Zerg late game as well as Protoss late game just wreck Terran. And since there are a billion Terrans, all they do is try to end it early, playing to the strengths of their race.
That and the crappy high ground advantage in SC2. Not to mention many of the maps have small rush distances and wide open naturals. The high ground advantage really needs to be fixed for SC2 to be as dynamic as BW. Otherwise, it'll be all-in, 1 base stuff most of the time.
|
Zerg stop complain about tvz all in play... It's like if a terran would sit on 2 base for 20mins then be like "oh geeze another macro zerg". Terrans know they are week late game if they let the zerg roam free so they need to start pressuring early so zerg doesn't get to far ahead.
Maybe zergs need to change their build orders to sacrifice some early eco for more defense... Once this start happening the Terran all ins wont happen so much as the rchance of them being successful will plum-it.
|
I just got home from work, are any of the matches from 2B highly recommended?
sC vs Lyn was pretty awesome, the others were just relatively quick 2-0's that weren't really that interesting (though that said, the first game was pretty painful).
|
On November 24 2010 00:55 rads wrote:Show nested quote +I just got home from work, are any of the matches from 2B highly recommended? sC vs Lyn was pretty awesome, the others were just relatively quick 2-0's that weren't really that interesting (though that said, the first game was pretty painful).
Thanks. I think I'll skip 2B then (long TvT? maybe later...)
|
Terran all-ins will vanish after game stabilizes and timings become clear.
|
|
|
14 hatch versus protoss on close positions is like ASKING to get cannon rushed.
|
Terran early game is too strong tbh, it is way to hard to defend against their all ins
|
lyn and haypro out.. god damn it!!!!
|
On November 24 2010 00:08 GreEny K wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2010 12:18 oZii wrote:On November 23 2010 12:17 karlmengsk wrote:
If I'm not mistaken NSP_Genius is NEXGenius and should be listed as Protoss. Go Haypro!!! Yea its the same person. On the even calendar it has him as Protoss here its as Zerg he either actually did switch or this was a mistake(hopes its a mistake) Anyone know why he switched teams?
He didn't switch. He still plays for NEX team but also reps NSP clan.
|
I can't believe Rainbow and TheWind are out already... my bracket is fucked
|
Just looked at the results of 2B: Is fOu like the best team now? seriously. They've caused sooo many upsets already
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
