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Enervate
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1769 Posts
November 23 2010 07:06 GMT
#2081
Man I stayed up just to watch and root for Haypro. Haypro really should have expected an aggressive push, though. He just had way too few units.

Imo, Haypro shoulda 6pooled on Scrap after Game 1.
Everlong
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1973 Posts
November 23 2010 07:06 GMT
#2082
Haha, I cant wait for Blizz to nerf early rax pressure again to see what else will come out to end the game before 10 minute mark. :D
nanoscorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1237 Posts
November 23 2010 07:06 GMT
#2083
I feel like the hatch before pool isn't really the deciding factor in these SCV vs zergling showdowns, zergs haven't made enough spines or banelings to handle the pushes. 15h 14p 13g can get slowbanes and a spine or two, maybe not enough income to support 2 immediate injections, but creep doesn't hurt either.
eggs
Profile Joined August 2010
1011 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-23 07:07:47
November 23 2010 07:06 GMT
#2084
On November 23 2010 16:05 Fa1nT wrote:
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On November 23 2010 16:05 Subversion wrote:
I can't get over this.

Is noone else like REALLY disappointed by Haypro's play?

He looked terrible out there


When one person plays really well, it makes the other player LOOK like they are playing really bad.


only if they're outplayed.
there are great games where both players play really well, but the loser doesn't look bad other than maybe 1 mis-micro'd battle that ended up costing him the game.
kwkwookw
Profile Joined August 2010
218 Posts
November 23 2010 07:06 GMT
#2085
oh wow, autoturret to counter banelings. i guess he was thinking ahead of haypro way more than haypro was actually capable of. nice strategy i must admit.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2086
On November 23 2010 16:05 Subversion wrote:
I can't get over this.

Is noone else like REALLY disappointed by Haypro's play?

He looked terrible out there


I just don't understand the insistence to hatch first. Ok, you can pull it off on Scrap but you'd better be scouting like a crazy man. What he needed against that push was speedling/bling/queen, not roaches.
whatsgrackalackin420
k20
Profile Joined September 2010
United States342 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2087
Did Foxer pioneer this SCV/marine all-in? I don't remember anyone talking about it up until I saw him do it.
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2088
gl ret all eleventy-billion of us tl trolls are rooting for you
get rich or die mining
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8323 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2089
I'm not making a claim about balance, but I think due to the current metagame Terran WILL win this season of the GSL. Not because the 2 rax is unstoppable, but because right now if you're terran you can make them play your game for the first ten minutes of the game. You can put up two barracks so they are forced to put up a baneling nest. They put up a baneling nest so they're gonna be a little slower on their lair. They're slower on their lair so you can get some solid kills with a cloaked banshee. You can diminsh their income with the banshees so they'll need to spend more larva on drones to replenish. They're spending more larva on drones which means they have a smaller army than you therefore you can win.

My logic could be WAY off here, but that's the way Tasteosis seems to be saying these games will play out and it looks like that's what's been happening. I'd very much appreciate your guy's thoughts on this.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2090
On November 23 2010 16:06 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Haypro was doing insanely well in practice... I think nerves combined with the almost impossible to scout builds used by this terran got the best of him....its extremely easy to die to these kind of timing builds, that's starcraft 2 for you, it all happens a lot faster than it did in sc1 and you need almost psyhic abilities to consistently win in this game..,,and that's why you see so many upsets.


Can we get a promise of your psychic powers to crush all who oppose you this GSL? ^^
keioh
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France1099 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2091
On November 23 2010 16:00 Everlong wrote:
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On November 23 2010 15:58 dtz wrote:
stop calling scv pulls all in.

everyone knows that is not true.

and pulling scv is always smart for Terrans no matter what. as Day9 puts it.

60 scv + 1 mule against 60 probes/drones is 10 percent economic advantage.

6 scv + 1 mule against 6 probes/drones is 100 percent economic advantage.

No reason whatsoever not to force the opponent to trade workers.


Sorry, but since its obvious, that if Terran fails with this push with scvs, hes gonna gg right away.. So whats the definition for all-in? If theres no transition, its all-in.. What is the transition for this? Start from 0 Scv against 2 Zerg base? Please.



You can transition into losing your whole fucking base.

For this game I think Haypro didn't make a baneling nest because, like Artosis said, he saw a potential blue flame Hellion play which would have crippled him. So he went Roach Den, saw Banshees, teched to lair, and got timing pushed with lotsa ground units and no Baneling nest.

GIMME ALL THE BELGIAN WAFFLES I CAN GET FOR THIS MONEY !!!!!! BELGIAN WAFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFLEEEEEEEEES
shutdown_exploded
Profile Joined June 2010
United States133 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2092
I feel bad for haypro that he's lost 3 days BEFORE wonderfull glorious friendly dreamhack in his native sweden and he still can't go
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2093
I don't think it's lack of practice. Based on what a lot of top foreigners have said about the Korean ladder, it seems that players are doing these kinds of all-ins and fast pushes every other game. Just read Huk's interview in the latest Liquid Weekly #17 for his thoughts on PvP on the Korean server. Haypro and all of the other top Zergs must have had plenty of practice by now against this build in particular.

In the second game it's possible that Haypro didn't know the timing of the push and was caught offguard, but in the first game I don't know what he was doing. Either he was overconfident that he could hold the Marine SCV push, or he was just stubborn and decided to 14 Hatch anyway. Either way, they were disappointing games in my opinion.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2094
On November 23 2010 16:06 Liquid`Ret wrote:
Haypro was doing insanely well in practice... I think nerves combined with the almost impossible to scout builds used by this terran got the best of him....its extremely easy to die to these kind of timing builds, that's starcraft 2 for you, it all happens a lot faster than it did in sc1 and you need almost psyhic abilities to consistently win in this game..,,and that's why you see so many upsets.

Ret, please dont 14 hatch in your games. Just dont do it.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Lush
Profile Joined May 2010
United States657 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2095
On November 23 2010 16:04 kojinshugi wrote:
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On November 23 2010 16:01 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On November 23 2010 16:00 travis wrote:
On November 23 2010 15:59 jere wrote:
On November 23 2010 15:57 travis wrote:
"all terran can do is cheese" - 5000 terran players on TL

LMAO



Terran here all I see is cheese in the form of scv all in.


that wasn't remotely allin

it's just a terran weapon

Bringing SCVs in a push is only an all in if scans are used or offensive mules are called down far from a CC.


He didn't bring all SCVs in game 2, it's hardly all-in to bring workers if it can at least guarantee you a dead hatch.


Good point.

However, by your logic, it is ridiculous that bringing a shit ton of workers can guarantee a dead nexus/hatch. I have found this to be the case only with terran. Altough, I rarely if ever bring workers in the other races, So I will have to experiment more.
"you play that nerdy game?"
blackh3d
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia49 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2096
On November 23 2010 16:00 imPERSONater wrote:
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On November 23 2010 15:58 Liveon wrote:
How could someone like that qualify while InControl, HuK and Tester couldn't? So bad...

That's a naive comment to say the least. Haypro is a phenomenal player that was caught out of his element. In terms of raw skill, he is probably one of the best foreigners around.



No offence but your counter-comment sir, is naive as well. If you claim that Haypro is a 'phenomenal player', I would appreciate you back it up with evidence / proof claiming he is of such standard. From what we saw today (and I'm assuming many ppl have not seen Haypro's play much), wouldn t you agree that he does not fit the bill of a 'phenomenal player'?

In my opinion, Haypro has much to improve on. He may possess the mechanics to make him a good player but I personally believe he needs to improve his gameplay sense, to be able to counteract what he's being faced with.

kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
November 23 2010 07:07 GMT
#2097
On November 23 2010 16:06 Everlong wrote:
Haha, I cant wait for Blizz to nerf early rax pressure again to see what else will come out to end the game before 10 minute mark. :D


Here's how they'll nerf early rax pressure - second hatchery now requires Spawning Pool.
whatsgrackalackin420
zemiron
Profile Joined August 2010
United States481 Posts
November 23 2010 07:08 GMT
#2098
Let's hope we get some better games next time.
"Fractal alligators. Like a normal alligator, but instead of arms, there are more alligators." -Day9
HowardRoark
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
1146 Posts
November 23 2010 07:08 GMT
#2099
Not a single watchable match today, sad.
"It is really good to get the double observatory if you want to get the speed and sight range for the observer simultaneously. It's a little bit of an advanced tactic, and by advanced, I mean really fucking bad."
Reedy
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom185 Posts
November 23 2010 07:08 GMT
#2100
On November 23 2010 16:06 kwkwookw wrote:
oh wow, autoturret to counter banelings. i guess he was thinking ahead of haypro way more than haypro was actually capable of. nice strategy i must admit.


Remains to be seen how effective it would have been had Haypro gotten banelings. My guess is that with banelings Haypro has no problem taking that out.
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