SC2 All-Stars Ro16 - Page 22

On November 19 2010 07:00 Uncultured wrote:
Unaliased, I suggest you don't use quotation marks when you aren't directly quoting someone. To help make it look less like you're trying to take things out of context to fit your point...

You're putting words into Tylers post now. He said he disliked testers play, not that he disliked it because it wasn't a "Day9 approved build" He was just further letting people know why he found the play to be weak, and disappointing...

Please, leave your bleeding heart dramatic bullshit for Battle.net forums. This pot doesn't need be stirred. You're just spreading drama for no reason at all. And you Completely disregard anything anyone says to you.

Definition of troll, anyone?

On November 19 2010 06:12 Klamity wrote:

This would be fine if he didn't explain himself 4 or 5 posts down, only to continually have people poke at it. You could try reading before commenting with something idiotic.

His initial comment more or less says "Tester's build wasn't refined, I am not impressed." Not once did he say Tester was bad, and further, he's commenting on ONE game.

On November 19 2010 07:07 unaliased wrote:
And all I'm saying is I dislike the way he went about his criticism because he did it in a dick way. I basically just did exactly what he did in his first post and you're saying it's uncalled for. Yes. Just like his first post was.

On November 19 2010 06:25 unaliased wrote:
Tester = S class. Tyler = won a gosu coaching match. Why doesn't Tyler bother to fly out to Korea so he can show us all how much better he is?

And all I'm saying is I dislike the way he went about his criticism because he did it in a dick way. I basically just did exactly what he did in his first post and you're saying it's uncalled for. Yes. Just like his first post was.

On November 19 2010 07:29 norterrible wrote:


The difference is people care what tyler has to say, and discussing the games is relevant to the interests of the thread. No one cares what you have to say, and you hating on tyler has nothing to do with the thread.

On November 19 2010 03:21 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

Yeah his build was just plain bad. It's possible to expo faster safely and simply have more units. Tester's build is exactly the build that Day9 doesn't like either but Koreans keep doing it. NaDa's build should be owned by Tester's build so much faster on LT because NaDa's little timing attack is horrible against the tiny choke on LT's naturals, so all those units do nothing but delay a proper TvP composition. But Tester does a bad version of that build and so he doesn't easily repel NaDa's attack and NaDa's 4rax pump with delayed Starport actually works. On close position Metalopolis -- ok try it. On LT, no that shouldn't work.

Mass Phoenix looks so cool until they get EMP'd and take 600+ shield damage instantly and then can't kill the Vikings nor do any lifting. Or until Terran leaves a group of ~8 Marines in back of their army, so when it's Viking vs Phoenix, 8 stimmed Marines turn the tide and the Colossi can't run forward to do anything about it.

But NaDa broke him anyway and tried to stream in units to capitalize but it was the wrong choice because he never EMP'd the Phoenixes and they had dozens of lifts in them. He could have sat back and had another timing where he could build a composition that didn't give a shit about Colossi because Tester would only have ~3 Colossi rebuilt and not much Force Field either (if any) by the time NaDa hit his timing. But instead, he continued to build an anti-Colossi composition and then just let Tester rebuild Colossi. That's not how to play TvP.

Or NaDa could have gone the PainUser route and centered his composition around Thors. I'd bet that PainUser saw that game as totally winnable for NaDa.

Better yet, combine those ideas. After breaking Tester, go in when you have 3 Thors, 1 ghost and whatever other MM Viking your Barracks and Starports were able to make. gg phoenix composition

On November 19 2010 05:53 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
Tester can do essentially the same build (gateways, robotics for observer to scout, expand, colossus) but he can optimize the order to have an equal or better economy and definitely a stronger army. This optimization doesn't sacrifice any safety. It sacrifices nothing. It's just better.

On November 19 2010 06:54 unaliased wrote:

Saying things like "I'm not impressed by Tester because he didn't use Day9 approved builds" is pretty silly. I don't see Tester hopping on here to talk about how he's not impressed by Tyler.

On November 19 2010 05:53 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

Your summary of my criticism is way off. It's like I'm teaching a grad class but I summarize a 2 hour lecture in 5 minutes, and you're a freshman in undergrad anyway, so there's like no chance we're gonna have clear communication.

Tester can do essentially the same build (gateways, robotics for observer to scout, expand, colossus) but he can optimize the order to have an equal or better economy and definitely a stronger army. This optimization doesn't sacrifice any safety. It sacrifices nothing. It's just better.

What is your point about me talking about NaDa when criticizing Tester? Tester won the game so there are two ways to criticize his play: (1) how he could have won more easily while doing essentially the same thing and (2) what things could have theoretically beaten him that he needs to address. I did both, first by saying that he could have improved his build to dominate NaDa in the midgame and second by saying the different things NaDa could have done in the lategame to beat Tester. I don't have to say what Tester needs to do to defeat the things that NaDa could have theoretically done in order to defend my criticism of Tester.

And Xxavi, when you say

that is essentially what I said in my very first post

except no, I'm not annoyed about it. Everyone knows Tester unexpectedly failed to qualify for both GSL2 and GSL3. We don't get to watch those games. But we do get to check out Tester's play in these games and I'm looking to see if it's impressively rock solid or if it has some faults that anybody with good mechanics could possibly take advantage of in a bo3. My original comment is saying "yeah I can see how he's not qualifying"

On November 19 2010 07:18 ssregitoss wrote:
tester could expand early but his scouting probe denied.and it was too late to put a nexus down.i think he wanted to expand after his first collo.i dont agree with day9 for fast collo review.cause even nexgenius goes for it and he is currently the best pvt (lost to hopetorture only).i refrerance these korean guys play rather than usa or europen guys.

On November 19 2010 06:25 unaliased wrote:
Tester = S class. Tyler = won a gosu coaching match. Why doesn't Tyler bother to fly out to Korea so he can show us all how much better he is?