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pAzand
Sweden539 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
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PirateFX
Malaysia252 Posts
On November 19 2010 02:35 Promises wrote: Tester is still one of the only Protosses who can impressively win PvT's in my eyes ^^ The rest win aswell but it never feels quite as... well played. I have to say tho I was very impressed with Genius' play v NesTea (only saw game 2 and 3 tho), I didnt held him in too high regard but he might be better then I thought ^^ You should check out game 1 as well, Genius was relentless. As for Tester..........sigh, its a damn shame we won't be seeing him or Sangho this season. | ||
NonY
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Obbalord
Germany166 Posts
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ParasitJonte
Sweden1768 Posts
On November 19 2010 03:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not impressed by Tester. Not surprised he can be sniped in a bo3. His play on LT so sloppy, so vulnerable. I agree. Except I wouldn't call it sloppy. Just, very fragile. | ||
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Obbalord
Germany166 Posts
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noD
2230 Posts
At least I know he isnt cheese or fluke, i still think he is just way above average ... | ||
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Elefanto
Switzerland3584 Posts
On November 19 2010 03:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not impressed by Tester. Not surprised he can be sniped in a bo3. His play on LT so sloppy, so vulnerable. I've nothing against good player "bad mouthing" other good players, still i personally would like it, if you could give a bit of your insight why you think it that way. You don't have to write 1k words about it, or analyse it to the tiniest detail, just maybe 2-3 sentence why it's that way so we other people without your knowledge can actually follow your reasonning behind and maybe also discover his flaws in play. Same with Idra and his "Nestea is bad, MVP is bad". More of a wish of mine than everything, tiny bit for the community. (guess you won't do it because silver guys comming along and trying to theorycraft) | ||
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NonY
8748 Posts
On November 19 2010 03:06 Obbalord wrote: and what were his mistakes tyler? what would u improve? More Gateway units in the earlygame ? i have to agree there, he hold off the rush very close. Yeah his build was just plain bad. It's possible to expo faster safely and simply have more units. Tester's build is exactly the build that Day9 doesn't like either but Koreans keep doing it. NaDa's build should be owned by Tester's build so much faster on LT because NaDa's little timing attack is horrible against the tiny choke on LT's naturals, so all those units do nothing but delay a proper TvP composition. But Tester does a bad version of that build and so he doesn't easily repel NaDa's attack and NaDa's 4rax pump with delayed Starport actually works. On close position Metalopolis -- ok try it. On LT, no that shouldn't work. Mass Phoenix looks so cool until they get EMP'd and take 600+ shield damage instantly and then can't kill the Vikings nor do any lifting. Or until Terran leaves a group of ~8 Marines in back of their army, so when it's Viking vs Phoenix, 8 stimmed Marines turn the tide and the Colossi can't run forward to do anything about it. But NaDa broke him anyway and tried to stream in units to capitalize but it was the wrong choice because he never EMP'd the Phoenixes and they had dozens of lifts in them. He could have sat back and had another timing where he could build a composition that didn't give a shit about Colossi because Tester would only have ~3 Colossi rebuilt and not much Force Field either (if any) by the time NaDa hit his timing. But instead, he continued to build an anti-Colossi composition and then just let Tester rebuild Colossi. That's not how to play TvP. Or NaDa could have gone the PainUser route and centered his composition around Thors. I'd bet that PainUser saw that game as totally winnable for NaDa. Better yet, combine those ideas. After breaking Tester, go in when you have 3 Thors, 1 ghost and whatever other MM Viking your Barracks and Starports were able to make. gg phoenix composition | ||
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ZerOfy
United Kingdom405 Posts
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Lalgee
United Kingdom65 Posts
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NeoSlicerZ
Ireland470 Posts
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skipdog172
United States331 Posts
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Obbalord
Germany166 Posts
@ lalgee the 2gate robo fe to fast colossi build is nothing special, most toss do this, look genius vs loner blizzcon finals for example =) Hope blizzard get some patch out for PVT very soon, im 2200+ diamond p by myself and i think this matchup is horrible, if Protoss survives the first 15 minutes, gets 2 expansions and templar+Colossi tech terran is totaly fucked, and before p is very weak => Boring Matchup, do you have other impressions of this matchup in its current state tyler? | ||
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
The second game between FruitDealer and HongUnPrime didn't end properly. FruitDealer's computer crashed or something so they had to restart it. HongUn used the same strategy both times. The first time he seemed to have an advantage and might have won, but we'll never know. FruitDealer reacted differently the second time. | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
On November 19 2010 03:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote: Not impressed by Tester. Not surprised he can be sniped in a bo3. His play on LT so sloppy, so vulnerable. Who do you think is the best protoss right now? | ||
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Xxavi
United States1248 Posts
Even the names of these strategies sound funny, when you think it's Nada playing. I wish all these people who aren't impressed by these bad players could show why and how much they are better in actual games. Otherwise we keep hearing Idra and others, yet they didn't finish in top 8 of GSL as yet. Folks, to me, it sounds like sour grapes. I would like to see these brilliant protosses employing these brilliant strategies, cuz I am fairly disappointed with the Protosses. Didn't see anybody remotely close to Tester at his best, so if he is bad, then others are simply terrible. PS And yes, Nony, I watched your games against Idra as well. Nothing to write home about. The same strategy that tons and tons of protosses use, a lot of cheddar cheese in there. I hope your above post doesn't imply, like Idra's comments, that you are better than Tester. | ||
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ShLiM
Bulgaria178 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:35 Xxavi wrote: I love how these foreigners mouth of Koreans. It would be OK if they achieved anything remotely close, but no, it's just the talking. "They should have used Day9 strategy, PainUser strategy" etc. No offense, but that doesn't sound anything good. Whoever used Day9 strategy against Nada and won? Who did use PainUser strategy and won? Even the names of these strategies sound funny, when you think it's Nada playing. I wish all these people who aren't impressed by these bad players could show why and how much they are better in actual games. Otherwise we keep hearing Idra and others, yet they didn't finish in top 8 of GSL as yet. Folks, to me, it sounds like sour grapes. I would like to see these brilliant protosses employing these brilliant strategies, cuz I am fairly disappointed with the Protosses. Didn't see anybody remotely close to Tester at his best, so if he is bad, then others are simply terrible. PS And yes, Nony, I watched your games against Idra as well. Nothing to write home about. The same strategy that tons and tons of protosses use, a lot of cheddar cheese in there. I hope your above post doesn't imply, like Idra's comments, that you are better than Tester. I have to agree with this | ||
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Kyuki
Sweden1867 Posts
On November 19 2010 04:35 Xxavi wrote: I love how these foreigners mouth of Koreans. It would be OK if they achieved anything remotely close, but no, it's just the talking. "They should have used Day9 strategy, PainUser strategy" etc. No offense, but that doesn't sound anything good. Whoever used Day9 strategy against Nada and won? Who did use PainUser strategy and won? Even the names of these strategies sound funny, when you think it's Nada playing. I wish all these people who aren't impressed by these bad players could show why and how much they are better in actual games. Otherwise we keep hearing Idra and others, yet they didn't finish in top 8 of GSL as yet. Folks, to me, it sounds like sour grapes. I would like to see these brilliant protosses employing these brilliant strategies, cuz I am fairly disappointed with the Protosses. Didn't see anybody remotely close to Tester at his best, so if he is bad, then others are simply terrible. PS And yes, Nony, I watched your games against Idra as well. Nothing to write home about. The same strategy that tons and tons of protosses use, a lot of cheddar cheese in there. I hope your above post doesn't imply, like Idra's comments, that you are better than Tester. You need to learn to read and intepret posts properly before you respond. There is no comparing, there is only the idea and theory behind why X isnt working, and why it worked now. Imo the game on LT was a great example of how this is still a very new game and how it will keep evolve. Protoss need to evolve to go deeper in tournaments at the very highest level that's for sure. I agree with Tyler, Testers play on LT felt really vulnurable. Protoss is very unforgiving imo, and if you have holes in your build that can be abused, those holes will be abused, especially in a series. Thus, as Tyler states, it's no surprise that Tester gets sniped in BO3s. I'm sure Tester will come out as a even stronger player eventually, and I think he's still one of the absolut bests. I'm very glad he won . | ||
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