EPTCan you link me to some clanwars where ROOT beat Sen Lucifron Fenix and 'insert 4th player here'? I could have been mistaken so if you can show me those cw's I'd gladly support ROOT as being #1.
Team EG vs Fnatic MSI - Page 7
| Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments |
|
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
Can you link me to some clanwars where ROOT beat Sen Lucifron Fenix and 'insert 4th player here'? I could have been mistaken so if you can show me those cw's I'd gladly support ROOT as being #1. | ||
|
synapse
China13814 Posts
| ||
|
Darpa
Canada4413 Posts
| ||
|
OverKiLL.
United States199 Posts
On October 26 2010 07:54 SCC-Faust wrote: Are there replays to this CW? ya i think they r on the sgl league website sgleague.co.nr | ||
|
ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
On October 26 2010 08:33 Shinta) wrote: CatZ, I know ROOT isn't a 1 man team and that you win wars off your 4 man lu being better overall than your opponent's. I never said that ROOT, or that any team for that matter, was a 1 man team. Can you link me to some clanwars where ROOT beat Sen Lucifron Fenix and 'insert 4th player here'? I could have been mistaken so if you can show me those cw's I'd gladly support ROOT as being #1. it hasn't happened, and im not saying we would win or lose, I mean I like my chances much like im sure Fnatic would like theirs... Drewbie QXC KiWiKaKi SLush CauthonLuck SUGGY Sheth and Myself I think if we go deep into the rosters should be the best team unarguably. ofc in a clanwar with only 4 1v1's or 'korean style' anything can happen... but it hasn't happened yet.... we haven't lost a single clanwar to any of the top teams in NA yet, that's all im saying. If we were to lose one soon, it would probably be to Fnatic, they have an amazing roster. Either way, Sen and Lucifron arent really NA server players, so if we are to bring them into the discussion perhaps we should discuss where Team Liquid, Mouz, mTw, oGs and Prime stand in the mix too, no? anyways, pointless discussion of what if's, and if you think fnatic or EG is a better team than ROOT, I won't dispute nor argue with that because its pointless, its all subjective and they're both great teams. cyu! | ||
intrigue
Washington, D.C9933 Posts
now time to win a tourney plz | ||
|
drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
On October 26 2010 08:58 AzaleasFighter wrote: ya i think they r on the sgl league website sgleague.co.nr can't find the replays on that page. can someone link to them directly? would love to see tt1's play :s | ||
|
ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On October 26 2010 06:59 crms wrote: Why the hell can't you say EG is the best team because they have (not really arguable) the best non-korean player, who would quite literally carry EG in all these friendly clan wars? Sports teams in other arenas have been carried by 1 or 2 stars, don't see why starcraft is any different. If you want to rank purely on accomplishments, Root is far and away #1. I don't really care to do that as EG hasn't played with its full roster really.. ever. When looking at the strength of each team IdrA is clearly the best of the bunch. With IdrA leading and EG's other players supporting I find it hard to believe they wouldn't win the majority of these scrims, i'm not sure how anyone could deny that. This reminds of an MMA argument that was had 6-7 months ago back when everyone was crying over the LW rankings of BJ Penn and Shinya Aoki. Some people argue only accomplishments matter and Aoki should be #1 as in the past year he'd fought and defeated better fighters. While some argued BJ should still be ranked ahead because in a match up BJ would be a heavy favorite to win. I tend to agree with the BJ ranking. Whocares if you're #1 on paper if everyone thinks you would lose if you fought someone else. for the tl:dr i find it hard to believe with EG's full roster (IdrA) EG would lose the majority of clanwars against any NA team ie. 100 scrims vs root, 100 scrims vs fnatic, eg loses more than 50 vs each team. Therefore I believe EG Is the best team. i'm confused, are you saying that idra would carry EG in a 4 1v1 and 1 2v2 CW or in a korean style cw? idra is good but he is not invincible and theres no way in hell he can allkill root, sorry pal. also idra has no clue how to 2v2 so maybe in a standard cw he would be a 75% chance to win 1 match....... how does this make EG the best team? also there is no way in hell that idra will ever all kill fenix/lucifron/sen/tt1 whoever else fnatic throws at him. he is good but you are seriously over rating him. | ||
|
RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
| ||
|
blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On October 26 2010 09:57 drewbie.root wrote: i'm confused, are you saying that idra would carry EG in a 4 1v1 and 1 2v2 CW or in a korean style cw? idra is good but he is not invincible and theres no way in hell he can allkill root, sorry pal. also idra has no clue how to 2v2 so maybe in a standard cw he would be a 75% chance to win 1 match....... how does this make EG the best team? also there is no way in hell that idra will ever all kill fenix/lucifron/sen/tt1 whoever else fnatic throws at him. he is good but you are seriously over rating him. I have to agree. I wouldn't even really call it a team if they had to rely on Idra in winners league to win clan wars against top clans such as root/fnatic. Would be like Jaedong and oz  .but I can't wait to watch the root vs fnatic hopefully Sen plays :D | ||
|
crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 26 2010 09:57 drewbie.root wrote: i'm confused, are you saying that idra would carry EG in a 4 1v1 and 1 2v2 CW or in a korean style cw? idra is good but he is not invincible and theres no way in hell he can allkill root, sorry pal. also idra has no clue how to 2v2 so maybe in a standard cw he would be a 75% chance to win 1 match....... how does this make EG the best team? also there is no way in hell that idra will ever all kill fenix/lucifron/sen/tt1 whoever else fnatic throws at him. he is good but you are seriously over rating him. everything you addressed I've already commented on, I suggest you read the post where I responded to ZSlaSHeR. With the addition of Sen/Fenix Fnatic is a clear favorite in any format vs EG (including IdrA) or Root. | ||
|
SUGGY
Canada224 Posts
On October 26 2010 10:11 crms wrote: everything you addressed I've already commented on, I suggest you read the post where I responded to ZSlaSHeR. With the addition of Sen/Fenix Fnatic is a clear favorite in any format vs EG (including IdrA) or Root. where does sen fit into this whole discussion of top NA teams? I can see fenix being considered maybe because he is from south america but... he plays on the NA server. Sen should not be in the discussion | ||
|
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
I wish all teams the best in future big competitions to come, and I can't wait to see what ends up happening with them. | ||
|
Denizen[9]
United States649 Posts
On October 26 2010 09:57 drewbie.root wrote: idra is good but he is not invincible and theres no way in hell he can allkill root, sorry pal. I bet you he could | ||
|
crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 26 2010 10:22 SUGGY wrote: where does sen fit into this whole discussion of top NA teams? I can see fenix being considered maybe because he is from south america but... he plays on the NA server. Sen should not be in the discussion interesting point I guess we should define some rules. Can fnatic even be considered a NA team if their HQ is in Europe (iirc from cs 1.6 days.) Should NA teams have to be based in NA, or is it simply rostered player locations? Can IdrA be considered part of EG's NA team when he lives in Korea and has for a few years now? Can Sen be considered part of Fnatic NA when he lives/plays in asia? Should team liquid be included in this since they have NA players in Huk and tyler? Does it matter where you're living location is if youre actively competing in major NA events, MLG, IEM, Blizzcon etc? To me I'd have to look at the entire teams roster. To my knowledge Fnatic doesnt have fnatic.NA, fnatic.Asia, fnatic.EU so I tend to look at the team as a whole, so I would include Sen, Fenix and lucifron etc. if I'm going to try and rank teams as a whole. The tricky thing with rankings is everyone has to be using the same critieria or you're really arguing fruitlessly. This happens ad naseum on MMA forums. And for the record I have nothing against root, they actually are home to some of my favorite zerg heros. <3. I'm just a nerd who loves to debate/reason/argue about superfluous things like subjective rankings lols, hence all the MMA references. SC and MMA are the only 'sports' I follow and I discuss them to a fault. | ||
|
Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On October 25 2010 18:59 KingRajesh wrote: Too bad EG couldn't RELEASE THE GRACKEN. He could have crushed TT1. Ahahaha well said! Also nice informative post EmperorChampion  . CaNaDa1 FiGhTiNg~!@On October 26 2010 02:02 fush wrote: just sayin... if your argument is that EG is the best "team" in NA because they have idra... there's a bit of a hole in the logic. EG is a great team but let's not get carried away just because they have a player who happens to be very good amongst other great players... We're talking a team full of people equipped in 2-2 gear, or Shako MF sorcs. IdrA resembles 10-10 + fully legendary zealer :D | ||
|
Nuri
New Zealand280 Posts
| ||
|
kataa
United Kingdom384 Posts
I also wouldn't be surprised if Idra in the current patch could all-kill Root. Catz in ZvZ or Qxc might be threatening. I simply haven't seen enough of Idras ZvZ to judge. But certainly it seems possible he could all-kill them. | ||
|
Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On October 26 2010 10:37 crms wrote: interesting point I guess we should define some rules. Can fnatic even be considered a NA team if their HQ is in Europe (iirc from cs 1.6 days.) Should NA teams have to be based in NA, or is it simply rostered player locations? Can IdrA be considered part of EG's NA team when he lives in Korea and has for a few years now? Can Sen be considered part of Fnatic NA when he lives/plays in asia? Should team liquid be included in this since they have NA players in Huk and tyler? Does it matter where your living location is if youre actively competing in major NA events, MLG, IEM, Blizzcon etc? To me I'd have to look at the entire teams roster. To my knowledge Fnatic doesnt have fnatic.NA, fnatic.Asia, fnatic.EU so I tend to look at the team as a whole, so I would include Sen, Fenix and lucifron etc. if I'm going to try and rank teams as a whole. The tricky thing with rankings is everyone has to be using the same critieria or you're really arguing fruitlessly. This happens ad naseum on MMA forums. And for the record I have nothing against root, they actually are home to some of my favorite zerg heros. <3. I'm just a nerd who loves to debate/reason/argue about superfluous things like subjective rankings lols, hence all the MMA references. SC and MMA are the only 'sports' I follow and I discuss them to a fault. lol I like the way you discuss your points. I must say though, it's not only arguable whether IdrA is or is not the best non-Korean sc2 player, but it's also VERY unlikely. Imo he most definately is not the best non-Korean player in the world. He perhaps may be in the top 5 though. That's arguable ^_^ | ||
JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
On October 26 2010 10:41 Nuri wrote: lol Idra would easily all kill root clan Well, they're saying that root members are able to take games from Idra (as seen during MLG DC, even though they eventually lost in the bo3). If Idra is the only one carrying EG (hypothetically), then root wins as soon as Idra loses to a unique strat from someone like Kiwikaki. Once that happens, then it all comes down to the posturing of the lineups. If Idra goes 3-0 before losing, then whoever beats Idra will have to be prepared for a lot of different strats and root's chances are low. If he loses before 3-0, then root has a much higher chance. | ||
| ||
