EPTOn October 19 2010 18:39 eggs wrote:
umm NaDa has a winning win record (>50%) in 2010
umm NaDa has a winning win record (>50%) in 2010
most of those games were MSL/OSL offline preliminaries, where he got to play against B team players
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nozshand
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most of those games were MSL/OSL offline preliminaries, where he got to play against B team players | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:41 gozima wrote: Why are people complaining about the map pool? Did I hear anyone of you mention game 2? IIRC, TLO abused the close rush distances on that map to all-in "Thor cheese" a win. If TLO is really as good as all of you think he is, he wouldn't have been so easily baited into that choke in game 1 where his entire army got smashed. And adding tonnes of Thors in your army composition against Toss? Seriously? Small details in SC2 set you apart unlike BW where gawdly mechanics and apm can set you far apart in skill. His BO for game 3 was also VERY susceptible to any type of 4 gate timing push. He spotted the forward pylon, reacted terribly and got rolled. If he's such a great player, his decision making, game sense, and general gameplay should be miles ahead of where it is. He might have a future in SC2, but currently, I don't even see him doing well in NA or EU events like MLG and IEM. He just has bad TvP... | ||
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:39 eggs wrote: umm NaDa has a winning win record (>50%) in 2010 His most notable victory is against Hiya... even though I love Nada he was nowhere near A class. | ||
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z00t
Australia976 Posts
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:27 nozshand wrote: lol, you know julyZerg and nada were not on the A-teamer level for a long time(at least few years long), they are big names but they get beaten/crushed easily by any current A team progamer now days. Only reason they came to play GSL is because they saw COOL won the series last season who has never qualified from any major BW scenes and the pay is way better than BW. From  NaDa![[image loading]](http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/9130/capturekt.jpg) He's as good as his motivation. I doubt proleague alone is enough for him, especially since he carried his team for so long. IMO that's why you can see that he plays well right after preliminaries, but then starts struggling again when he has no title of his own to play for. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:34 netherDrake wrote: I'm not sure if those Korean a-teamers/ace players would dominate as hard, even if they have a few months of needed practice. I think the playing field would be more even in SC2, both in korea and outside korea. The potential skillcap in SC2 is IMO lower than SC1 since the mechanics aren't as tough so the world may be able to match Korea (Korea is still better at all levels atm) and those current BW a-teamers, with their superior macro/micro skills may not rape face. I think the mechanical portion of the game(small control groups minging with workers) is lower in skill cap but i don't think the strategic portion of the game has any sort of lower skill cap, i would actually expect that part of the game to even reach a higher level than bw due to the freeing of apm from unnecessary things. This is a sentiment that many former bw pros have also stated in interviews. | ||
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ultramafia
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enough said. | ||
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bigjenk
United States1543 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:41 gozima wrote: Why are people complaining about the map pool? Did I hear anyone of you mention game 2? IIRC, TLO abused the close rush distances on that map to all-in "Thor cheese" a win. If TLO is really as good as all of you think he is, he wouldn't have been so easily baited into that choke in game 1 where his entire army got smashed. And adding tonnes of Thors in your army composition against Toss? Seriously? Small details in SC2 set you apart unlike BW where gawdly mechanics and apm can set you far apart in skill. His BO for game 3 was also VERY susceptible to any type of 4 gate timing push. He spotted the forward pylon, reacted terribly and got rolled. If he's such a great player, his decision making, game sense, and general gameplay should be miles ahead of where it is. He might have a future in SC2, but currently, I don't even see him doing well in NA or EU events like MLG and IEM. I am complaining about the map pool and i said the only decent ones imo are metal and shakuras, possibly scrap and xelnaga if they were touched up a bit. Furthermore the fact that they decide to keep tons of open space on the edges of every map is pretty dumb imo. | ||
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:48 ultramafia wrote: "Sangho has beaten Jaedong on TV" enough said.  Rock beat Jaedong in Bo5, enough said? | ||
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We Are Here
Australia1810 Posts
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
 I think thats the reason why Tester and ogsTop didn't make it. It's often a coin flip. | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
On October 19 2010 17:55 shannn wrote: As much as I hate that TLO is eliminated but I knew that no matter who went on the winner deserved it and both were skilled enough to reach ro16 at minimum. I knew SangHo was an ex A-team progamer. That's like the level of Tester/Cool/ITR. And since we've seen Tester/Cool/ITR etc. playing in GSL1 we could now see how TLO plays against the real top and you must know that SangHo has a chance on winning the tournament. TLO just proved to me that he is capable of winning against top players in the GSL and if lucky enough in the bracket going top4-8. It is just that TLO was unlucky to be paired against SangHo a top player in both sc1 and 2 in the first round (ro64) but this is a no seed tournament (although you can discuss the brackets which seems to favour some people). We just have to hope TLO makes it to the ro64 in GSL3. Because if he makes it atleast to ro64 I believe he'll be in the 32 S-class players for the GSL 2011 tournaments based on the amount of appearances,achievements and the recurring participants in each GSL. except that he was better than tester/ cool / itr... Sangho is no pushover and imo wouldnt be suprised if he made the ro4 | ||
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hoppipolla
Australia782 Posts
On October 19 2010 18:51 We Are Here wrote: rocks a beast, how consistent was he in qualifying for leagues Of course, I'm just trying to highlight the gosuness that is Rock wherever I go. His innovative 2 base carrier play should be enough to solidify him as a bonjwa of Brood War, but sadly no-one agrees with me . | ||
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Fa1nT
United States3423 Posts
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Onlinejaguar
Australia2823 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
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nozshand
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ultramafia
221 Posts
my point is simply that his experience massively outweighs that of TLO. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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hdkhang
Australia183 Posts
On October 19 2010 17:11 Ocedic wrote: In that case how was it an awful play? I really don't see the difference between that 4 WG build and 3 Rax rauder timing push. Difference is that if TLO had gone 3 rax MM and won, I imagine a lot less people here would be complaining. As for the people who say this being a Team Liquid site means we should forgo rationality and logic, that's ridiculous. Supporting TLO and his accomplishments is one thing, but to belittle the achievements of other because they played to win is simply childish. The roots of Team Liquid, founded in BW, are based on respect for players, not senseless personal attacks as if this were WoW. Could not have said it better myself. I can't believe the crying over map abuse from a Terran point of view. | ||
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