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bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 08:14 GMT
#2801
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.




It's an open with random seeding. Tlo will surely be at least a high "a" class a player even if he fails to qualify for gsl3 and with a ro16 showing in gsl 3 could easily be a class s player.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
October 19 2010 08:14 GMT
#2802
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.




these are open tournaments and the seeding will be complete next year as far as i know.
FTD
gundream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:15:56
October 19 2010 08:14 GMT
#2803
On October 19 2010 17:11 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:06 gundream wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

User was warned for this post



though he does make a small point....4 gate was the safest move to make


In that case how was it an awful play? I really don't see the difference between that 4 WG build and 3 Rax rauder timing push. Difference is that if TLO had gone 3 rax MM and won, I imagine a lot less people here would be complaining.

As for the people who say this being a Team Liquid site means we should forgo rationality and logic, that's ridiculous. Supporting TLO and his accomplishments is one thing, but to belittle the achievements of other because they played to win is simply childish. The roots of Team Liquid, founded in BW, are based on respect for players, not senseless personal attacks as if this were WoW.

i thought it was a very smart play....never have i said it was awful....the other guy did....but i do agree with the OPINION that he 4gated like an "american" if thats how he wants to put it
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
October 19 2010 08:15 GMT
#2804
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.



These tournaments are meant to be ranking tournaments for the "real" league which will take place in 2011 from what I understand. They have no way to seed the players at the moment.
zerg/human - vancouver, canada
Liveon
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Netherlands1083 Posts
October 19 2010 08:15 GMT
#2805
On October 19 2010 17:12 Tirr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.





Let's just put TLO straight to ro8 for example. Or mb to the finals.
You know, it's tournament. I'm not get used to american football, but in soccer, in UEFA Champion's league there happen a lot of situations when 2 great, strong teams meet each other just in the first or in the second round. It's called "Draw", you know.


actually, in the Champions league you've got 4 poules where there is drawn from. A very strong group,2 less strong groups and a 'weak' group, so that the poules are fair. (1 of each group in a poule)
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TBO
Profile Joined September 2009
Germany1350 Posts
October 19 2010 08:15 GMT
#2806
On October 19 2010 17:12 Tirr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.





Let's just put TLO straight to ro8 for example. Or mb to the finals.
You know, it's tournament. I'm not get used to american football, but in soccer, in UEFA Champion's league there happen a lot of situations when 2 great, strong teams meet each other just in the first or in the second round. It's called "Draw", you know.


Champions League seeds Teams into 4 different categories. However given that those tournaments are pre-season tournaments intended to decide on a sort of seeding it would be sort of strange to already have seeds in them themselves (however looking at the brackets they definitely are not random either)
SF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
October 19 2010 08:16 GMT
#2807
On October 19 2010 17:12 Tirr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.





Let's just put TLO straight to ro8 for example. Or mb to the finals.
You know, it's tournament. I'm not get used to american football, but in soccer, in UEFA Champion's league there happen a lot of situations when 2 great, strong teams meet each other just in the first or in the second round. It's called "Draw", you know.



I think it's an easy fix. If this is going to be a sports league, then have a sports "season" to go along with it. And then playoffs. Just like physical sports. This will eliminate mediocre players getting to the freaking Finals by flukes, which completely discredits the whole tournament.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 19 2010 08:16 GMT
#2808
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.


So on one hand you say the better player did not win today (implying TLO is better than Sangho,) yet on the other you complain that the system is luck based on who you play, implying TLO drew a bad hand and played someone as good or better than him?

Your complaints are ridiculous. Why even have tournaments? Let's just crown players as champions via popularity contests.
Cloud92684
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States236 Posts
October 19 2010 08:16 GMT
#2809
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.




After GSL 3 they'll start seeding the players. The game is new so they're trying to give everyone a chance to compete before they start establishing the best from the best. The rankings don't mean anything yet. Gomtv added them in without explanation to what they truly represent. Many big names such as Tester and oGsTop didn't even qualify so it's not like the tournament is deliberately trying to unfairly pair up players.
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KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
October 19 2010 08:16 GMT
#2810
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.




In my opinion, a system where TLO, SangHo and the rest of the top players are kept from each other till later in the tournament doesn't make for a fair tournament. It would make it a joke if you were'nt considered a top player, cause they'd intentionally feed you to the best players so you'd be eliminated, while the player who draws the most moves on. It adds a feeling of illegitimacy.

Good players should have to play other good players, depending on the brackets. Anything else is garbage. College Basketball is stupid for that reason, because the NCAA makes the brackets to get viewers, not get the best games.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 08:17 GMT
#2811
On October 19 2010 17:14 gundream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:11 Ocedic wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:06 gundream wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

User was warned for this post



though he does make a small point....4 gate was the safest move to make


In that case how was it an awful play? I really don't see the difference between that 4 WG build and 3 Rax rauder timing push. Difference is that if TLO had gone 3 rax MM and won, I imagine a lot less people here would be complaining.

As for the people who say this being a Team Liquid site means we should forgo rationality and logic, that's ridiculous. Supporting TLO and his accomplishments is one thing, but to belittle the achievements of other because they played to win is simply childish. The roots of Team Liquid, founded in BW, are based on respect for players, not senseless personal attacks as if this were WoW.

i thought it was a very smart play....never have i said it was awful....the other guy did


I agree it was the absolute smartest play especially on that map. I just hate the fact that there are maps in this tournament with such abusable terrain, i guess it is kind of payback for terran abusing lost temple against zerg so much.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
SF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
October 19 2010 08:18 GMT
#2812
On October 19 2010 17:14 bigjenk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.




It's an open with random seeding. Tlo will surely be at least a high "a" class a player even if he fails to qualify for gsl3 and with a ro16 showing in gsl 3 could easily be a class s player.



I was under the impression that this tournament WAS the leaque. But now people are writing that there will be a league in 2011 based off results here?
Can anyone explain in more detail or lamens terms?
Bluest
Profile Joined September 2010
133 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:21:18
October 19 2010 08:18 GMT
#2813
On October 19 2010 17:11 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:06 gundream wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

User was warned for this post



though he does make a small point....4 gate was the safest move to make


In that case how was it an awful play? I really don't see the difference between that 4 WG build and 3 Rax rauder timing push. Difference is that if TLO had gone 3 rax MM and won, I imagine a lot less people here would be complaining.

As for the people who say this being a Team Liquid site means we should forgo rationality and logic, that's ridiculous. Supporting TLO and his accomplishments is one thing, but to belittle the achievements of other because they played to win is simply childish. The roots of Team Liquid, founded in BW, are based on respect for players, not senseless personal attacks as if this were WoW.


If TLO had gone 3 rax push and won early I wouldn't be as frustrated because I'm not a Sangho Fan. BUT I would feel the same, that Sangho lost because he reacted poorly and not because TLO did some smart amazing thing. Which is how I felt about this game, TLO if he plays smartly doesn't lose to that type of push, heck, the top 100 terran players probably don't lose to that push right off the bat more than 2 or 3 times out of 10. TLO made bad mistakes and lost because of it which is sad. I'm distinguishing this from if they'd both played as best they could and Sangho had won I wouldn't be so dissapointed.

I'm not saying TLO deserved to win or out played Sangho in this match or even that if he'd reacted right he would have won game 3. Sangho would have backed off and tried something else. Maybe Sangho would have played amazingly and won anyway. I am saying I think Sangho's strategy was poor and would have put him at a disadvantage if TLO had played as well as I've grown to expect from him.
KingRajesh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States927 Posts
October 19 2010 08:19 GMT
#2814
On October 19 2010 17:17 bigjenk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:14 gundream wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:11 Ocedic wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:06 gundream wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

User was warned for this post



though he does make a small point....4 gate was the safest move to make


In that case how was it an awful play? I really don't see the difference between that 4 WG build and 3 Rax rauder timing push. Difference is that if TLO had gone 3 rax MM and won, I imagine a lot less people here would be complaining.

As for the people who say this being a Team Liquid site means we should forgo rationality and logic, that's ridiculous. Supporting TLO and his accomplishments is one thing, but to belittle the achievements of other because they played to win is simply childish. The roots of Team Liquid, founded in BW, are based on respect for players, not senseless personal attacks as if this were WoW.

i thought it was a very smart play....never have i said it was awful....the other guy did


I agree it was the absolute smartest play especially on that map. I just hate the fact that there are maps in this tournament with such abusable terrain, i guess it is kind of payback for terran abusing lost temple against zerg so much.


I agree. It sucks that it happened to TLO, but from the perspective of a Zerg player that knows the horror of LT...

Suck it Terrans!

I hope every Protoss 4 gates tomorrow on the ladder if they draw jungle basin.
"Zerg are the absolute worst thing that can happen to your day" - Dustin Browder
Penetrates
Profile Joined August 2010
Hong Kong82 Posts
October 19 2010 08:20 GMT
#2815
On October 19 2010 17:18 SF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:14 bigjenk wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.




It's an open with random seeding. Tlo will surely be at least a high "a" class a player even if he fails to qualify for gsl3 and with a ro16 showing in gsl 3 could easily be a class s player.



I was under the impression that this tournament WAS the leaque. But now people are writing that there will be a league in 2011 based off results here?
Can anyone explain in more detail or lamens terms?


The first 3 seasons are just pre-leagues. Results from them will be used to actually determine the seeding when the actual league begins.
SKAR
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands137 Posts
October 19 2010 08:21 GMT
#2816
It would be awesome if someone could update the OP, really curious to see who won todays matches!
SF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
October 19 2010 08:23 GMT
#2817
On October 19 2010 17:16 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.


So on one hand you say the better player did not win today (implying TLO is better than Sangho,) yet on the other you complain that the system is luck based on who you play, implying TLO drew a bad hand and played someone as good or better than him?

Your complaints are ridiculous. Why even have tournaments? Let's just crown players as champions via popularity contests.



I can see where you'd interpret it that way. I meant that statement to imply that I was so pissed about SangHo and TLO facing each other in the prelims that I didn't walk away feeling satisfied when SangHo won the match as I normally would. I would have felt the SAME if TLO had won. Both players are absolutely amazing, and I will not be surprised if SangHo wins the Final. It's just ridiculous that we are robbed of watching the losers of these prelim matches.
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 19 2010 08:24 GMT
#2818
On October 19 2010 17:21 SKAR wrote:
It would be awesome if someone could update the OP, really curious to see who won todays matches!


Bleach > Loner
Bleach < Loner
Bleach < Loner

BoxeR < BabyWeRRa
BoxeR > BabyWeRRa
BoxeR > BabyWeRRa


Apple < PhoenixWeRRa
Apple < PhoenixWeRRa


LiquidTLO < BabyByeBye
LiquidTLO > BabyByeBye
LiquidTLO < BabyByeBye
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
tadrik
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada4 Posts
October 19 2010 08:24 GMT
#2819
I've watched Mark Messier steal my team's Stanley in game 7, and then Linden's captaincy 2 seasons later. This isn't so bad; take a chill pill.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 08:25 GMT
#2820
On October 19 2010 17:16 SF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:12 Tirr wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.





Let's just put TLO straight to ro8 for example. Or mb to the finals.
You know, it's tournament. I'm not get used to american football, but in soccer, in UEFA Champion's league there happen a lot of situations when 2 great, strong teams meet each other just in the first or in the second round. It's called "Draw", you know.



I think it's an easy fix. If this is going to be a sports league, then have a sports "season" to go along with it. And then playoffs. Just like physical sports. This will eliminate mediocre players getting to the freaking Finals by flukes, which completely discredits the whole tournament.


If you qualify then win 5 straight series i don't think you are a mediocre player by any means. If you look at the gsl format there is an actual "season" next year along with invitationals based on the ladder and 2 "world championships" with top 4 from each region and a final playoff with the best 8 players from the year. There just is no legit way to seed any tournaments yet and doing 3 invitationals seems like quite a good way to see who is actually in the top echelon for seeding the real season. The fact that you blindly want to seed tlo highly based on you liking him. He made ro32 the first time but seeding on just one tournament isn't really accurate. Imagine if this was the tournament for seeding then tester would be a lowly seed for any future tournies if even being able to play in them as opposed to on fluke early loss when combined with his strong first showing would net him s class rank. At this point in the game there is only speculation of who is the "best". Fruit dealer would be the obvious choice but what if he shows poorly in the next 2 tournaments and just played one exceptional tournament.
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