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Nuri
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand280 Posts
October 19 2010 08:06 GMT
#2781
On October 19 2010 17:04 necroticah wrote:
i believe SangHo is the first Protoss to get to Ro32?

no NexGenius InCa aswell
The biggest risk in life is not taking any risks at all
gundream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States229 Posts
October 19 2010 08:06 GMT
#2782
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

User was warned for this post



though he does make a small point....4 gate was the safest move to make
Kachna
Profile Joined October 2010
134 Posts
October 19 2010 08:07 GMT
#2783
Well TLO is gone which is sad but i have feeling that Grack has a pretty good chance to win it.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
October 19 2010 08:07 GMT
#2784
On October 19 2010 17:03 BraveGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:58 Full.tilt wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:49 bigjenk wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:46 iCanada wrote:
I really can't wait till the tournament is actually seeded... All the good players will make it automatically, then our boys like Haypro, Jinro, and Huk can not get knoecked out of the tournament by guys like Clide.


You realize haypro jinro and huk have done absolutely nothing so far to even get a seed right? Even with a reasonable ro32 showing in s3 they most likely would only see top koreans if they qualified.


He means that clide will be seeded so they won't have to play against the better players during the qualification days.


they won't be in the premier section of the tournament if they can't get in far in GSL3...

however, there haven't been very clear rules yet on how to get into future GSLs, there will be an "S" class of 32 players, and an "A" class of 64 players, based on points from the 3 GSLs, and there will be some way to make it in to the A class of players based on ladder and qualification tournaments which I can see them doing.

However I can't see them making it to the S class at this point

don't quote me on this stuff, the future gom seasons are very strange to me, and I have a limited understanding of them

Quoted

But yeah I forgot it won't be staying the same and will have a funky format when it starts for real next year.
bks
Profile Joined October 2010
Ukraine62 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:08:51
October 19 2010 08:07 GMT
#2785
On October 19 2010 17:04 necroticah wrote:
i believe SangHo is the first Protoss to get to Ro32?

No, Inca and Genius are as well.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3889 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:08:26
October 19 2010 08:07 GMT
#2786
On October 19 2010 17:04 necroticah wrote:
i believe SangHo is the first Protoss to get to Ro32?


Genius is through to the Ro32, as well as Inca..

actually I think SangHo, Inca, and Genius might be the three best toss in the tournament as well.. could be wrong though.. just not many great toss with tester not in, and Inca wasn't that impressive the other day either.. oh well.. SangHo looks strong despite all the hate in this thread for him beating TLO..

I hope TLO wrecks GSL season 3
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Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
October 19 2010 08:07 GMT
#2787
On October 19 2010 17:05 Penetrates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.

Are you serious -_- Come to HK...we have stores that close at 1am and open at 10am, and McDonalds open 24/7. The newspaper stand, those who work in the restaurant, the bus drivers..they all wake up before 6am...


He's European; there's a reason why they've stagnated for the last half century.
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
The.Imperator
Profile Joined October 2010
138 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:09:38
October 19 2010 08:07 GMT
#2788
TLO's most weak matchup definitely is TvP. These creative starts works a lot better against the other two races but as a Protoss there's nothing better than a Terran that doesn't go standard MMM mixed up with some vikings/ghosts a bit later.

kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 19 2010 08:08 GMT
#2789
On October 19 2010 17:03 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.


In the developed world, a lot of people have to commute to work in city centres, which can mean early starts just to get to work by 9am.


In the "developed world"? Excuse me?

If your commute is 2 hours long each way, it's not your "development", it's that you've "developed" into urban sprawl and/or are retarded enough to actually take a job with a 2 hour commute.

Oh, and how's your shitty british broadband treating you, o Developed One?

User was temp banned for this post.
whatsgrackalackin420
Sqq
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway2023 Posts
October 19 2010 08:08 GMT
#2790
On October 19 2010 17:04 necroticah wrote:
i believe SangHo is the first Protoss to get to Ro32?


NexGenius and InCa, yesterday ?
Dead girls don't say no.
SF
Profile Joined October 2010
United States13 Posts
October 19 2010 08:08 GMT
#2791
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.


Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
October 19 2010 08:08 GMT
#2792
Sangho was pushing TLO's front with 3-4 sentries. If TLO had tried to repair the bunker, Sangho could have easily just FF'd the repairing scv's away and still taken down the bunker. It was a very good push against a teching terran.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 08:09 GMT
#2793
On October 19 2010 16:58 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:49 bigjenk wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:46 iCanada wrote:
I really can't wait till the tournament is actually seeded... All the good players will make it automatically, then our boys like Haypro, Jinro, and Huk can not get knoecked out of the tournament by guys like Clide.


You realize haypro jinro and huk have done absolutely nothing so far to even get a seed right? Even with a reasonable ro32 showing in s3 they most likely would only see top koreans if they qualified.


He means that clide will be seeded so they won't have to play against the better players during the qualification days.


Yeah and at this point if they do not have a great gsl 3 then they won't be in the tournament at all. And if they do they will be up against top 8 players in the first round so most likely will not advance unless they advance their game by leaps and bounds.

As of right now without a strong showing by another foreigner in gsl3 prob meaning a run into ro32 ro16 tlo idra and loner will be the only foreigners in the actual gsl event. Im not sure how strong showing in the ladder tournament will affect being in the main gsl league but this could realistically be the only foreigners in half the events next year.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 19 2010 08:10 GMT
#2794
On October 19 2010 17:05 Penetrates wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.

Are you serious -_- Come to HK...we have stores that close at 1am and open at 10am, and McDonalds open 24/7. The newspaper stand, those who work in the restaurant, the bus drivers..they all wake up before 6am...


He said most people. Most people aren't bus drivers.

I've lived in North America for 4 years. Most people do in fact wake up that insanely early because they're brainwashed into thinking it's OK to spend 80 hours a week commuting/working, and us Europeans are lazy slobs with no work ethic, with our 4 weeks paid vacation and our 35-40 hour workweeks.
whatsgrackalackin420
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 08:11 GMT
#2795
On October 19 2010 17:07 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:03 BraveGhost wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:58 Full.tilt wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:49 bigjenk wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:46 iCanada wrote:
I really can't wait till the tournament is actually seeded... All the good players will make it automatically, then our boys like Haypro, Jinro, and Huk can not get knoecked out of the tournament by guys like Clide.


You realize haypro jinro and huk have done absolutely nothing so far to even get a seed right? Even with a reasonable ro32 showing in s3 they most likely would only see top koreans if they qualified.


He means that clide will be seeded so they won't have to play against the better players during the qualification days.


they won't be in the premier section of the tournament if they can't get in far in GSL3...

however, there haven't been very clear rules yet on how to get into future GSLs, there will be an "S" class of 32 players, and an "A" class of 64 players, based on points from the 3 GSLs, and there will be some way to make it in to the A class of players based on ladder and qualification tournaments which I can see them doing.

However I can't see them making it to the S class at this point

don't quote me on this stuff, the future gom seasons are very strange to me, and I have a limited understanding of them

Quoted

But yeah I forgot it won't be staying the same and will have a funky format when it starts for real next year.


Yeah im kind of confused as to how a strong showing in the ladder tournaments or the world championship would affect a 2011 ranking or if it just factors into 2012 seeding.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
Ciryandor
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3735 Posts
October 19 2010 08:11 GMT
#2796
On October 19 2010 16:24 netherDrake wrote:
Disappointed that TLO lost, but good thing I'm still 9-0

One of fifty-one people. We'll see it spread out as the next Ro64 matches play out. Glad to actually be in that list of 51 too though... but too bad for TLO.
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Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:12:39
October 19 2010 08:11 GMT
#2797
On October 19 2010 17:06 gundream wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

User was warned for this post



though he does make a small point....4 gate was the safest move to make


In that case how was it an awful play? I really don't see the difference between that 4 WG build and 3 Rax rauder timing push. Difference is that if TLO had gone 3 rax MM and won, I imagine a lot less people here would be complaining.

As for the people who say this being a Team Liquid site means we should forgo rationality and logic, that's ridiculous. Supporting TLO and his accomplishments is one thing, but to belittle the achievements of other because they played to win is simply childish. The roots of Team Liquid, founded in BW, are based on respect for players, not senseless personal attacks as if this were WoW.
BeaTeR
Profile Joined March 2003
Kazakhstan4130 Posts
October 19 2010 08:12 GMT
#2798
On October 19 2010 17:03 PredY wrote:
update the OP pls


or someone summarize the results plz
gundream
Profile Joined April 2010
United States229 Posts
October 19 2010 08:12 GMT
#2799
On October 19 2010 17:08 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:03 Full.tilt wrote:
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.


In the developed world, a lot of people have to commute to work in city centres, which can mean early starts just to get to work by 9am.


In the "developed world"? Excuse me?

If your commute is 2 hours long each way, it's not your "development", it's that you've "developed" into urban sprawl and/or are retarded enough to actually take a job with a 2 hour commute.

Oh, and how's your shitty british broadband treating you, o Developed One?

i live in the US....dont get up anywhere near 6am....and commuting....yeah really developed...sounds more like you need to save some more money for gas
Tirr
Profile Joined September 2010
Russian Federation122 Posts
October 19 2010 08:12 GMT
#2800
On October 19 2010 17:08 SF wrote:
The match-up between TLO and SangHo prompted me to create a Liquid account just to post in this thread.

As a new fan to pro gaming, I've been thoroughly enthralled by the entertainment value in SC2. And especially entertained by the creative and obviously talented players.

After watching this round 64 live on GOMtv (for the first time ever), and seeing several mediocre players advance, I am disgusted that somehow the tournament designers managed to put two players that are clearly and obviously massively superior in skill to their round 64 counterparts against each other in a preliminary round, forcing an elimination.

This is the equivalent of having an NFL Quarterback Tournament, by which the winner is decided by elimination in 1v1, and in the very first round Peyton Manning is pitted against Drew Brees, while every other match-up involves a 2nd string nobody.

The outcome of this "GSL" now seems as much decided by pure luck as it is by actual skill. How can a tournament that forces the elimination of top players in the preliminaries be seen as credible whatsoever at all?

I didn't feel as if "the best player won" today, as I would hope to feel. I am a fan of both players, and I felt disgusted and cheated of the pleasure of watching one of my favorite stars play again in the tournament. The TLO vs. SangHo game should have been either in the final of the tournament, best out of 7, or at a minimum the Round of 8.

This needs to be fixed before pro 1v1 gaming becomes a joke. I'm sure a new system can be devised that pits players of appropriate skill at appropriate times in a tournament against each other.

P.S. The Rankings by GSL are pathetic. TLO = a "private", and a fake "Boxer" is now going to be a "Sergent" or something? That's like calling Babe Ruth a "little leaguer" and telling a bench warmer that he's "MVP" because the refs didn't know how to set up a fair game.

P.P.S. And yes, I'm very pissed right now, so apologies if any of this seems like "hating", but it's also important, because this is the "new guys" opinion on something that seemed so cool at first, and now seems lame.





Let's just put TLO straight to ro8 for example. Or mb to the finals.
You know, it's tournament. I'm not get used to american football, but in soccer, in UEFA Champion's league there happen a lot of situations when 2 great, strong teams meet each other just in the first or in the second round. It's called "Draw", you know.
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