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b_unnies
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
3579 Posts
October 19 2010 07:58 GMT
#2761
Depot next to rock wouldn't have helped. So what if he sees it? He still needs to split to defend against both sides. TLO lost because he tried to be cute
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:05:05
October 19 2010 07:58 GMT
#2762
On October 19 2010 16:49 bigjenk wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:46 iCanada wrote:
I really can't wait till the tournament is actually seeded... All the good players will make it automatically, then our boys like Haypro, Jinro, and Huk can not get knoecked out of the tournament by guys like Clide.


You realize haypro jinro and huk have done absolutely nothing so far to even get a seed right? Even with a reasonable ro32 showing in s3 they most likely would only see top koreans if they qualified.


He means that clide will be seeded so they won't have to play against the better/experienced GSL players during the qualification days.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
October 19 2010 07:59 GMT
#2763
On October 19 2010 16:42 Qikz wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:41 Sabu113 wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Sqq wrote:
Sangho showed he was a better player than tlo, he either needs a to mirically discover a korean gene pool, because he is obviously "only" a max 32 round player for gsl.



Bit underrated TLO's quality I think. He had an offish night. Maybe a bit too cutesy?

Gah just frustrating because we all want him to do well so badly. Good though to get him to see those foreign styles again. Right now foreign T seems miles head of korean T.


Especially how the Emporer himself actually said how much he likes TLO's play.


It's clear Boxer likes TLO's play because it is different and usually aggressive. Doesn't necessarily make it the 'best' play when it comes to winning.

As for foreign T being miles ahead of Korean T: simply no.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 19 2010 08:00 GMT
#2764
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.
whatsgrackalackin420
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 19 2010 08:00 GMT
#2765
What you call out SangHo being bad for, I call him being good. Thats also the reason TLO is so good. He's unpredictable and he usually has a transition of some kind. I'm pretty sure SangHo didn't blindly throw units in there.

He could have backed off and transition which obviously would gave TLO a huge advantage but wouldn't lead to a loss directly. Sometimes you have to take risks in a best of 3 / best of 5. Its part of mindgaming.
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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:02:25
October 19 2010 08:00 GMT
#2766
dammit I overslept, FU different timezones/round earth

EDIT: just from reading some posts: ffs even I know that TLO rarely goes MMM vs toss, his builds effectively ask his opponents to 4-gate him once in a while
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hydraden
Profile Joined April 2010
United States719 Posts
October 19 2010 08:01 GMT
#2767
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.

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bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 08:02 GMT
#2768
On October 19 2010 16:58 b_unnies wrote:
Depot next to rock wouldn't have helped. So what if he sees it? He still needs to split to defend against both sides. TLO lost because he tried to be cute


That doesn't change the fact that it is such an advantageous map for p that it shouldn't be in the map pool. Tlo failed to play the map and that is what lost him the game.
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Cloud92684
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States236 Posts
October 19 2010 08:02 GMT
#2769
On October 19 2010 16:46 BraveGhost wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:43 hydraden wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:32 Fa1nT wrote:
This is why I dislike the GSL match system...

There needs to be a losers bracket


Never liked a tournament with losers' bracket. it is more like stuff just for entertainment, but not for competition.


i would actually make a case for the opposite, losers bracket lets you find the best players in the tournament.. if you lose to a player better than you, you still have a chance to finish where you belong, cause you can test your skills vs other losers.

Single elimination is more set up for entertainment, every match on the line counts, it's very on the edge, you care more.. unlike double elim where winner's bracket is more of a formality, the real placement edge of your seat matches take place in losers

either way, both systems have their positives and negatives


The fact that they play each match without other matches going on would make losers brackets impossible or very convoluted. Even if they played the losers brackets concurrently, it would still be very difficult to pull off in this multi-day format. It works better for the MLG since the whole tournament is done in two days as opposed to weeks. Also, winners brackets are played together instead of one after the other. I would be very disappointed if the casters could only choose one game to cast out of four that may be going on.
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PandaPolice
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia86 Posts
October 19 2010 08:02 GMT
#2770
On October 19 2010 16:59 Ocedic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:42 Qikz wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:41 Sabu113 wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:37 Sqq wrote:
Sangho showed he was a better player than tlo, he either needs a to mirically discover a korean gene pool, because he is obviously "only" a max 32 round player for gsl.



Bit underrated TLO's quality I think. He had an offish night. Maybe a bit too cutesy?

Gah just frustrating because we all want him to do well so badly. Good though to get him to see those foreign styles again. Right now foreign T seems miles head of korean T.


Especially how the Emporer himself actually said how much he likes TLO's play.


It's clear Boxer likes TLO's play because it is different and usually aggressive. Doesn't necessarily make it the 'best' play when it comes to winning.

As for foreign T being miles ahead of Korean T: simply no.


Agree, I feel that Boxer and TLO belongs to the same type of player, who not only seek to win, but also to be ahead of the curve in terms of innovative play.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
October 19 2010 08:03 GMT
#2771
update the OP pls
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Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
October 19 2010 08:03 GMT
#2772
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.


In the developed world, a lot of people have to commute to work in city centres, which can mean early starts just to get to work by 9am.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 19 2010 08:03 GMT
#2773
On October 19 2010 16:58 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:49 bigjenk wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:46 iCanada wrote:
I really can't wait till the tournament is actually seeded... All the good players will make it automatically, then our boys like Haypro, Jinro, and Huk can not get knoecked out of the tournament by guys like Clide.


You realize haypro jinro and huk have done absolutely nothing so far to even get a seed right? Even with a reasonable ro32 showing in s3 they most likely would only see top koreans if they qualified.


He means that clide will be seeded so they won't have to play against the better players during the qualification days.


they won't be in the premier section of the tournament if they can't get in far in GSL3...

however, there haven't been very clear rules yet on how to get into future GSLs, there will be an "S" class of 32 players, and an "A" class of 64 players, based on points from the 3 GSLs, and there will be some way to make it in to the A class of players based on ladder and qualification tournaments which I can see them doing.

However I can't see them making it to the S class at this point

don't quote me on this stuff, the future gom seasons are very strange to me, and I have a limited understanding of them
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kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 19 2010 08:03 GMT
#2774
On October 19 2010 17:01 hydraden wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


Geez, SC2 new comers are so ignorant.


Unlike SC2 veterans?

Blindly 4-gating is a bit scrubby. Effective if you coin toss it, but scrubby.
whatsgrackalackin420
billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 08:04:57
October 19 2010 08:03 GMT
#2775
for new players who hate sangho but dont actually know who he is!!!
watch this:


hes a really chill guy and really good at starcraft. you'd like him.
necroticah
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa233 Posts
October 19 2010 08:04 GMT
#2776
i believe SangHo is the first Protoss to get to Ro32?
hp.Shell
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2527 Posts
October 19 2010 08:05 GMT
#2777
On October 19 2010 16:37 BraveGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:32 hp.Shell wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:21 Miles_Edgeworth wrote:
Why are people complaining about Sangho 4-gating when TLO just did a SCV/Thor all-in?

Look at TLO's uniform. Now look up at the url. Now back at TLO's uniform. His uniform is now diamonds!

Also, it's way more BM to cheese in game 3 than it is in game 2, imo. I hate the player selection for this match. I really want to say that TLO got stacked. Even if he made it to the Ro16, he'd probably have to play Fruit Dealer. TLO is a top 8 contender; there's no excuse for stacking the odds against him just so he has a lower rank for the major GSL next year. Yes, I'm accusing GOM of race bias. But I'm mainly just frustrated. I really think TLO could make top 8 if the players were properly seeded.


yeah... I doubt that..

TLO draws a lot of foreign fans, and a lot of koreans enjoy his play as well, Boxer himself said TLO inspired him in SC2... For gom to "stack" the odds against him would be silly, I personally think Idra has a really easy bracket.. so you think Gom thinks Idra is korean now? I think they would at least let TLO play one of those morons in the second match today if they could, those guys aren't bringing any viewers in, I'll tell you that

This is exactly my point. With the less inspired match that came before these two powerhouses, you would think GOM would look at the bracket and think "hey, maybe we should switch this up a bit so that we have potentially more viewership due to TLO AND SangHo playing on multiple days." Because the two scrubs who played each other in the earlier match aren't going to draw much of an audience for their day in the Ro32.

I think GOM respects IdrA more because he is more "legit" in their eyes due to having been a B-teamer on CJ for so long. I contend that IdrA is more "Korean" because TLO has only played on a foreign team (to my knowledge), even if It's technically TLAF-Liquid`/oGs. I like SangHo too, but I would rather see a new face who I know can play top level games do well. GSL3 needs to seed players after the Ro64 qualifiers have been determined.
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Penetrates
Profile Joined August 2010
Hong Kong82 Posts
October 19 2010 08:05 GMT
#2778
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.

Are you serious -_- Come to HK...we have stores that close at 1am and open at 10am, and McDonalds open 24/7. The newspaper stand, those who work in the restaurant, the bus drivers..they all wake up before 6am...
Flatha
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada45 Posts
October 19 2010 08:05 GMT
#2779
Depot next to rock wouldn't have helped. So what if he sees it? He still needs to split to defend against both sides. TLO lost because he tried to be cute


If he had something there to see to SEE the pylon being dropped down, he can quite literally send 2 marines to shoot it down before its up and is able to warp in units in the back of his base. LOGIC.
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 19 2010 08:06 GMT
#2780
On October 19 2010 17:03 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 17:00 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:56 Bear4188 wrote:
You have to be fairly lazy to complain about something being on at 6 AM, many if not most people wake up every day at 6 AM.


Only in Insanistan, i.e. the United States, where you people like working yourselves to death.

I don't know anyone who gets up before 7. Maybe dairy farmers.


In the developed world, a lot of people have to commute to work in city centres, which can mean early starts just to get to work by 9am.


I had too do 5:15 am, got home at 6:00 pm.. a few years back .. wasn't fun, physical labor as well, man i did nothing but sleep the little free time I had away..
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