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bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 07:44 GMT
#2721
I really hope that by time the real seeded seasons start that gsl gets some real maps. It is so tiring watching the tournament when almost every map is super exploitable by one race or another. If only they keep getting shakuras or metal with no close by ground spawns.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
October 19 2010 07:44 GMT
#2722
On October 19 2010 16:42 sicp wrote:
Cheering for foreigners in Pro SC is kind of like being a US soccer fan during the World Cup: you wait so long for every event with the hope it gets better, and you're lucky if they advance as far as they did last time.

But like being a US soccer fan, I'll never give up on them. TLO played a great set, and this is a small chapter to the much bigger risk he took for going to Korea in the first place and shouldering so many of our hopes. I hope he knows what a talent he is, and lets this only motivate him to keep playing ^_^

wp SangHo. TLO in GSL 3!


Loner won today <3
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
October 19 2010 07:44 GMT
#2723
On October 19 2010 16:43 .risingdragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:33 beetlelisk wrote:
He was so close yet so far.
51 people have perfect liquibet score now D: fu traitors ;(
I could watch whole TLO's interview fine

piss off. that's betting, you use your head.

with real chips down any gambler would bet sangho, unless you're out to lose

where's all the bans for these extreme fuks who want to kill or fuck 'em in the ass? how's that alright?


I just still pissed I miss-clicked TLO I'm now irreversibly behind =[.
ggrrg
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Bulgaria2716 Posts
October 19 2010 07:44 GMT
#2724
On October 19 2010 16:22 Silidons wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:20 danl9rm wrote:
4-gate lamer. That was really disappointing

Not as lame as making 2 quick thors, with repair, and making a turret and bunkers in your opponents base.


Really? Do you happen to see thor rush every other game on ladder? On the other hand, one out of two toss on ladder will make 4-gate. Not to mention that tlo faked a fe causing sangho to try to expo and delay his robo. 4-gate was just a terrible way to end a great series...
That being said, tlo really shouldn't have gone for such a risky strat in game 3. And although the 4-gate was pretty hard to scout since it was hidden, tlo should have anticipated it.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-19 07:45:16
October 19 2010 07:44 GMT
#2725
On October 19 2010 16:31 Treva wrote:
lol I like how sending 4 scvs to repair thors is considered all in.


4 SCV's = 200 minerals + lost mining time... not to mention he built bunkers and turrets in sangho's base.

4 gating = 1 proxy pylon = 100 minerals, 1 probe lost time.

neither of the strategies were all in, or cheesy. TLO called Sangho's response to thors by saving scan, and Sangho had the sentries ready to stop the bunker repair (if TLO had noticed in time). Just good play
Bluest
Profile Joined September 2010
133 Posts
October 19 2010 07:45 GMT
#2726
On October 19 2010 16:39 G.s)NarutO wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


If you go for cloak banshee you have to assume a 4 gate, especially from Protoss and especially if you played tech-builds the games before. TLO is a good enough player to know that he wins the game with cloak banshees if he can hold off the rush and that he'll lose if he cannot defend a 4 gate.

It was completely his fault for misreading / not being able to defend.


I also think FruitDealer vs SangHo is a lot better match than TLO vs FruitDealer, since I think TLO/SangHo are both worse than FruitDealer, but PvZ is favored towards Protoss more than ZvT is (when it actually still is what I doubt) favored towards Terran.


That's exactly my point. That Sangho played poorly and won anyway because TLO screwed up which is why I'm so dissapointed. 9 out of 10 times in that situation TLO gets his cloak banshees and wins I bet. He knew that pylon was there reacted very poorly. People are making Sangho out to be a beast when he got completely outplayed in game 2 and in ro1 again TLO did something imo that was an awful BO/Army comp.

I wasn't impressed with Sangho at all.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 07:45 GMT
#2727
On October 19 2010 16:40 BraveGhost wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:38 Ocedic wrote:
On October 19 2010 16:24 netherDrake wrote:
Disappointed that TLO lost, but good thing I'm still 9-0


Only about 50 of us! All in all a shame that two good players were matched together in Ro64. Someone had to go. The question now: can Sangho take on Fruitdealer?


of course he can, he has a much better chance than other toss in the tournament since they practice together..


That and im pretty sure fruits pvz is his weakest matchup although weakest is a relative term there.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2728
On October 19 2010 16:43 hydraden wrote:
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On October 19 2010 16:32 Fa1nT wrote:
This is why I dislike the GSL match system...

There needs to be a losers bracket


Never liked a tournament with losers' bracket. it is more like stuff just for entertainment, but not for competition.


i would actually make a case for the opposite, losers bracket lets you find the best players in the tournament.. if you lose to a player better than you, you still have a chance to finish where you belong, cause you can test your skills vs other losers.

Single elimination is more set up for entertainment, every match on the line counts, it's very on the edge, you care more.. unlike double elim where winner's bracket is more of a formality, the real placement edge of your seat matches take place in losers

either way, both systems have their positives and negatives
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2729
We just need to accept TLO made lots of mistakes the last game. Not scouting the rock, IDLE scvs at minerals..his build was way risky there
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2730
I really can't wait till the tournament is actually seeded... All the good players will make it automatically, then our boys like Haypro, Jinro, and Huk can not get knoecked out of the tournament by guys like Clide.
Tears.Of.The.Moon
Profile Joined September 2009
Slovenia715 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2731
Uh, how did i manage to miss the games. :'O
Did they change the the time at when they are played in gsl2 ?

Anyways, can anyone recomend any good games from the first 2 days. ( I don't care about the players or who is playing, only gameplay maters)
ヽ(´ー`)┌
ellerina
Profile Joined April 2010
Philippines452 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2732
We have faith TLO, just do better next time. I hope next your GSL match is around this time too so I can listen to your match (and sneaking peeks) while working.
Still round the corner there may wait , A new road or a secret gate /And though I oft have passed them by, A day will come at last when I /Shall take the hidden paths that run/West of the Moon, East of the Sun
escobari
Profile Joined July 2010
Finland192 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2733
Dont make sangho some uber player just because he beat tlo. I guess they were right, white men cant craft.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2734
Please update the OP for us who can't watch it live and don't want te search the results through the 130+ pages..
Flatha
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada45 Posts
October 19 2010 07:46 GMT
#2735
I really hope that by time the real seeded seasons start that gsl gets some real maps. It is so tiring watching the tournament when almost every map is super exploitable by one race or another. If only they keep getting shakuras or metal with no close by ground spawns.


Not to suggest that maps aren't exploitable by certain races, but really players just adapt to it and deal with it. I mean Fruitdealer came through despite all the map "imbalance" and race "imbalance" after all.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
October 19 2010 07:47 GMT
#2736
On October 19 2010 16:39 G.s)NarutO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:37 Bluest wrote:
That's the point though. TLO lost because he reacted poorly which is sad to lose to such an awful play from Sangho. If TLO even has his scvs where they should be he wins easily. Sangho blind 4 gated like a bad american diamond player albeit with better control. If Sangho had played like some monster I'd feel differently but TLO just beat himself which is very sad to see =(


If you go for cloak banshee you have to assume a 4 gate, especially from Protoss and especially if you played tech-builds the games before. TLO is a good enough player to know that he wins the game with cloak banshees if he can hold off the rush and that he'll lose if he cannot defend a 4 gate.

It was completely his fault for misreading / not being able to defend.


I also think FruitDealer vs SangHo is a lot better match than TLO vs FruitDealer, since I think TLO/SangHo are both worse than FruitDealer, but PvZ is favored towards Protoss more than ZvT is (when it actually still is what I doubt) favored towards Terran.

well Jinro said TLO's TvZ is considered top notch even to Korean standards, he should have at least put up a good fight vs Cool.
bigjenk
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1543 Posts
October 19 2010 07:47 GMT
#2737
On October 19 2010 16:44 susySquark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2010 16:31 Treva wrote:
lol I like how sending 4 scvs to repair thors is considered all in.


4 SCV's = 200 minerals + lost mining time... not to mention he built bunkers and turrets in sangho's base.

4 gating = 1 proxy pylon = 100 minerals, 1 probe lost time.

neither of the strategies were all in, or cheesy. TLO called Sangho's response to thors by saving scan, and Sangho had the sentries ready to stop the bunker repair (if TLO had noticed in time). Just good play


Also with the ease terran can get cloaked banshees you are really trying to end it before they get it out and cloaked since if 2 are out with no robo on the way it is game over.
Ignore my opinions I am bad
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 19 2010 07:47 GMT
#2738
On October 19 2010 16:46 escobari wrote:
Dont make sangho some uber player just because he beat tlo. I guess they were right, white men cant craft.


a Bo3 doesn't mean much in a test of skill

In a best of 10, if Sang went 7-3 or something, then sure.
susySquark
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1692 Posts
October 19 2010 07:47 GMT
#2739
fun fact - you can build a scouting depot behind the rocks at jungle basin. But if you wall that area off with multiple depots, the pylon power cant reach over your buildings so he cant warp over the rocks at all.
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
October 19 2010 07:48 GMT
#2740
didn't sangho himself call tlo's thor build on steppes an all-in? it doesn't matter that he only sent 4 scvs, if your 2 thors die, you're fucked. game over, you lose all offensive presence and have no good transition. your only hope is if you crippled him while you lost your thors.
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