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On October 09 2010 07:36 EzoGooD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:32 kojinshugi wrote:On October 09 2010 07:30 EzoGooD wrote:
Kiwi didnt get outplayed, he did wat eh could do with that army .... he did FINE, just fenix played good to with a better army combo.... Not having the right army = being outplayed. This is an RTS, not Diablo II. So your dumb I take it... he had colossi vs the marines, he had sentries for the rauders with he colossi and FF, he had phoenix for the siege tanks and vikings.... HE DID EVERYTHING he could with the ARMY he had, if kiwi went HT and not that many colossi i bet we would have a different outcome. AS I SAID, the ARMY COMBO he had , he played PERFECT with. But as a TERRAN, the ARMY COMBO he had , HE PLAYED BETTER WITH. Every game terran has marines and rauders, he just used them smartly to win the game. u cant split up ur colossi , or they all die , u cant take all your stalkers to one spot or vikings kill the colossi , do u see what im saying, with what KIWI had , he played FINE with.
This makes very little sense to me
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On October 09 2010 07:34 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:31 kojinshugi wrote:
Yes, because Planetary fortresses poop out armies if your production buildings get destroyed. I think that upgrade is like 25/25 and researched in an ebay. didn't we see how well base-trading goes down for protoss JUST TODAY? (suggy vs murder) I really don't/didn't wanna join this balance-discussion-"gruesomeness" but how can you possibly suggest that protoss is just supposed to commit to an all-in when terran gets a PF at gold up? is this what you'd like to see in the future instead of long, intense back and forth macro-battles?
Why does it need to be an all-in? He has colossi and phoenixes, he can move in to snipe addons/rax/etc from [the north] while protecting the main attack path to his own gold, instead of leaving it empty and trying to push down from the Xel'naga.
(edit: added missing words, it's 2 am here  )
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Fenix played so well, great multi pronged attacks
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On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army..... ^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive. I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly.
your not going to discuss balance, but you are ?
yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF
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is there a rebroadcast of this?
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I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well.
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On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army..... ^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive. I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly. your not going to discuss balance, but you are ? yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF
Planetary Fortresses are 3 "range" big. Colossi have range 9. Planetary Fortresses have range 6.
Colossi get hit if they try to target SCVs that are repairing, especially when the Terran player is competent enough to move them to the furthest possible location from the Colossi.
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On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well.
And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post?
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On October 09 2010 07:43 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army..... ^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive. I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly. your not going to discuss balance, but you are ? yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF Planetary Fortresses are 3 "range" big. Colossi have range 9. Planetary Fortresses have range 6. Colossi get hit if they try to target SCVs that are repairing, especially when the Terran player is competent enough to move them to the furthest possible location from the Colossi.
how many scvs do you think can fit on the edge of a PF 3 or 4? so 3 or 4 scvs completely mitigate the damage that 5-6 collosus do?
edit: his problem was he focused on killing the PF and not the scvs
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On October 09 2010 07:38 kojinshugi wrote:
Why does it need to be an all-in? He has colossi and phoenixes, he can move in to snipe addons/rax/etc from while protecting the main attack path to his own gold, instead of leaving it empty and trying to push down from the Xel'naga.
how on earth can he move in to snipe stuff while protecting the main attack path to his own gold?
you mean like moving in with 2-3 colossi and losing them instantly to the group of vikings that comes flying? seriously, why don't you try off-racing with protoss (I've done it with terran often enough) to see how it feels like to control the dead-slow very vulnerable colossi? and then think about how it would be if you split them up;
kiwikaki is no low-level noob, the thought that he would be "unable" to split up his main force is so ridiculous, it doesn't even deserve to be commented;
not splitting up the colossi was the right choice - there's simply no way to protect two groups of colossi;
basicly protoss has to transition out of colossi fast enough to get the more mobile chargelot/phoenix/ht-combo; this is what ogssuperstar showed in his recent matches; there's a reason why high-level koreans do NOT stick to colossi when it comes to lategame although they love them in mid-game; because you can't, in fact, split them up to guard or attack multiple locations like it's possible with only 1-2 HTs whose storm can be devastating
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On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well.
I'm pretty sure
and ppl still think this game is balanced ... lol
is disingenuous enough of a remark to qualify whining about balance.
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On October 09 2010 07:44 kojinshugi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well. And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post?
Someone has to post that ... it makes no sense that i would be warned saying and that there are no zergs , and ppl think this game is balanced. That is what I said. I just find it funny that there is no zergs in this tourney. in korea or EU there is always a zerg in the finals or very close to the finals , in US there is no Zergs in the finals... just a statement.
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On October 09 2010 07:43 Cranberries wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army..... ^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive. I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly. your not going to discuss balance, but you are ? yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF Planetary Fortresses are 3 "range" big. Colossi have range 9. Planetary Fortresses have range 6. Colossi get hit if they try to target SCVs that are repairing, especially when the Terran player is competent enough to move them to the furthest possible location from the Colossi.
So he sends in a zealot first to eat hits, then picks off SCVs, then moves back. This is the "tactics" thing we're talking about.
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On October 09 2010 07:46 EzoGooD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:44 kojinshugi wrote:On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well. And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post? Someone has to post that ... it makes no sense that i would be warned saying and that there are no zergs , and ppl think this game is balanced. That is what I said. I just find it funny that there is no zergs in this tourney. in korea or EU there is always a zerg in the finals or very close to the finals , in US there is no Zergs in the finals... just a statement.
Or you could also factor in one of the top Zergs out there pulled out of the group stages. Might have something to do with it.
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is the stream not workin or are the games finished?
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Does anyone know why Huk has two penalty points according to the ESL site?
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On October 09 2010 07:46 EzoGooD wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2010 07:44 kojinshugi wrote:On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well. And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post? Someone has to post that ... it makes no sense that i would be warned saying and that there are no zergs , and ppl think this game is balanced. That is what I said. I just find it funny that there is no zergs in this tourney. in korea or EU there is always a zerg in the finals or very close to the finals , in US there is no Zergs in the finals... just a statement.
"Its funny how no zergs are in here , and ppl still think this game is balanced ... lol"
Clearly that's not what you mean. Either take it to PM or face further punishment. You've already crapped in this thread once.
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PPL that are bitching about the PF yes they are very freaking strong yes it sucks they can be repaired, but to be honest KIWI could have looked past that expo , and gone and took out all the raxes and the factorys , then throw all the money he wanted at the PF ... I could see if he had 5 or 6 PF and he just repaired them all and just used them as D , but who cares if he had 1 PF...
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On October 09 2010 07:49 Laekoth wrote:
Does anyone know why Huk has two penalty points according to the ESL site?
he got those previously to this tournament
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On October 09 2010 07:49 Laekoth wrote:
Does anyone know why Huk has two penalty points according to the ESL site?
Edit: Nevermind, answered in post before me.
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EPT
