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DJ Roomba
Profile Joined October 2010
158 Posts
October 08 2010 22:50 GMT
#2241
On October 09 2010 07:49 cAsaLocoS wrote:
is the stream not workin or are the games finished?


games are finished for today i believe.
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
October 08 2010 22:51 GMT
#2242
On October 09 2010 07:47 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:43 Cranberries wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army.....


^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive.



I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly.


your not going to discuss balance, but you are ?

yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF

Planetary Fortresses are 3 "range" big. Colossi have range 9. Planetary Fortresses have range 6.

Colossi get hit if they try to target SCVs that are repairing, especially when the Terran player is competent enough to move them to the furthest possible location from the Colossi.

So he sends in a zealot first to eat hits, then picks off SCVs, then moves back. This is the "tactics" thing we're talking about.

Except Zealots would get massacred by the Planetary Fortresses 40 damage AoE attacks? Or are you suggesting that you suicide 500 minerals to kill 3 SCVs?

The problem I have with the Planetary Fortress is that it's an expansion with no risk of being harassed on the ground, and Protoss have not a single decent air harass unit (at least not the Phoenix with it's Graviton Beam bug). It breaks the flow of a game because you've instantly lost to a Terran who gets a third expansion Planetary Fortress and you're still playing on two bases.
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 08 2010 22:51 GMT
#2243
On October 09 2010 07:50 DJ Roomba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:49 cAsaLocoS wrote:
is the stream not workin or are the games finished?


games are finished for today i believe.


Drewbie and SUGGY are still playing, then that is is. But they are not being streamed.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Funkatron
Profile Joined July 2010
United States725 Posts
October 08 2010 22:51 GMT
#2244
are the vods up? if so could they be linked by the OP? thanks!
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
October 08 2010 22:51 GMT
#2245
On October 09 2010 07:50 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:49 Laekoth wrote:
Does anyone know why Huk has two penalty points according to the ESL site?


Edit: Nevermind, answered in post before me.

I think it's due to him refusing casters in a Go4SC2 a while back, there was some drama about that.
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
October 08 2010 22:52 GMT
#2246
On October 09 2010 07:49 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:46 EzoGooD wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:44 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well.


And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post?



Someone has to post that ... it makes no sense that i would be warned saying and that there are no zergs , and ppl think this game is balanced. That is what I said. I just find it funny that there is no zergs in this tourney. in korea or EU there is always a zerg in the finals or very close to the finals , in US there is no Zergs in the finals... just a statement.

"Its funny how no zergs are in here , and ppl still think this game is balanced ... lol"

Clearly that's not what you mean. Either take it to PM or face further punishment. You've already crapped in this thread once.



Your BOT wont let me PM him back, IT SAYS (Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.) so how can I PM that? Well if im lying about that balance thing then i guess im dying.... notice how no one argued with me lol. I wont say another word about it... just wanna put my 2cents in thats all.
WELCOME TO THE PARTY
Dalavita
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1113 Posts
October 08 2010 22:53 GMT
#2247
When he was focusing the PF he could literally have stepped in, done one shot per colossus and gibbed all the repairing SCVs and moved back. He wouldn't have lost one Colossus with the number he had. This was before Fenix had mass vikings or tanks at the PF.

There is no excuse for focusing the PF.

Hell, even two void rays from his SGs would have done it in since he had air and ground control at that point and 2 SGs pumping phoenixes.
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
October 08 2010 22:53 GMT
#2248

the results are wrong 2-0 for fenix not 2-1
SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 08 2010 22:53 GMT
#2249
Suggy beat drewbie 2-1.

Does drewbie still advance no matter what?
When I think of something else, something will go here
DonKey_
Profile Joined May 2010
Liechtenstein1356 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 22:55:49
October 08 2010 22:53 GMT
#2250
On October 09 2010 07:51 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:47 Jibba wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:43 Cranberries wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army.....


^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive.



I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly.


your not going to discuss balance, but you are ?

yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF

Planetary Fortresses are 3 "range" big. Colossi have range 9. Planetary Fortresses have range 6.

Colossi get hit if they try to target SCVs that are repairing, especially when the Terran player is competent enough to move them to the furthest possible location from the Colossi.

So he sends in a zealot first to eat hits, then picks off SCVs, then moves back. This is the "tactics" thing we're talking about.

Except Zealots would get massacred by the Planetary Fortresses 40 damage AoE attacks? Or are you suggesting that you suicide 500 minerals to kill 3 SCVs?

The problem I have with the Planetary Fortress is that it's an expansion with no risk of being harassed on the ground, and Protoss have not a single decent air harass unit (at least not the Phoenix with it's Graviton Beam bug). It breaks the flow of a game because you've instantly lost to a Terran who gets a third expansion Planetary Fortress and you're still playing on two bases.


um? how do you instantly lose to a terran who has gotten a third base? sure if hes up a base he has a advantage but, that's true for all races.

edit: when jibba said to send in a zealot I'm pretty sure he meant 1 zealot ie 100 minerals not 500
`Oh, you can't help that,' said the Cat: `we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad.'
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 22:55:03
October 08 2010 22:53 GMT
#2251
SUGGY beat Drewbie 2-1

On October 09 2010 07:52 EzoGooD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:49 Jibba wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:46 EzoGooD wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:44 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well.


And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post?



Someone has to post that ... it makes no sense that i would be warned saying and that there are no zergs , and ppl think this game is balanced. That is what I said. I just find it funny that there is no zergs in this tourney. in korea or EU there is always a zerg in the finals or very close to the finals , in US there is no Zergs in the finals... just a statement.

"Its funny how no zergs are in here , and ppl still think this game is balanced ... lol"

Clearly that's not what you mean. Either take it to PM or face further punishment. You've already crapped in this thread once.



Your BOT wont let me PM him back, IT SAYS (Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.) so how can I PM that? Well if im lying about that balance thing then i guess im dying.... notice how no one argued with me lol. I wont say another word about it... just wanna put my 2cents in thats all.


I would highly suggest to stop with the IMBA talk and stop arguing with the mods. Just a suggestion however....
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
October 08 2010 22:54 GMT
#2252
On October 09 2010 07:51 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:47 Jibba wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:43 Cranberries wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army.....


^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive.



I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly.


your not going to discuss balance, but you are ?

yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF

Planetary Fortresses are 3 "range" big. Colossi have range 9. Planetary Fortresses have range 6.

Colossi get hit if they try to target SCVs that are repairing, especially when the Terran player is competent enough to move them to the furthest possible location from the Colossi.

So he sends in a zealot first to eat hits, then picks off SCVs, then moves back. This is the "tactics" thing we're talking about.

Except Zealots would get massacred by the Planetary Fortresses 40 damage AoE attacks? Or are you suggesting that you suicide 500 minerals to kill 3 SCVs?

The problem I have with the Planetary Fortress is that it's an expansion with no risk of being harassed on the ground, and Protoss have not a single decent air harass unit (at least not the Phoenix with it's Graviton Beam bug). It breaks the flow of a game because you've instantly lost to a Terran who gets a third expansion Planetary Fortress and you're still playing on two bases.
40 damage vs. 50 shields/100 hp. That means it takes 4 shots to kill 1 zealot. If you split them up, it might take even more. How many SCVs can 5 collosi kill in 8+ seconds?
ModeratorNow I'm distant, dark in this anthrobeat
Dust14
Profile Joined March 2010
Belgium490 Posts
October 08 2010 22:55 GMT
#2253
On October 09 2010 07:53 blade55555 wrote:
Suggy beat drewbie 2-1.

Does drewbie still advance no matter what?

Depends if that Huk vs Murder result on the ESL site is correct or not
Zax19
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Czech Republic1136 Posts
October 08 2010 22:56 GMT
#2254
Question: Any reliable source of the rankings? It's all messed up at their homepage x).
Thanks
Really Blizz, really? - Darnell
zeross
Profile Joined September 2010
France310 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-08 22:56:53
October 08 2010 22:56 GMT
#2255
Huk won Murder 2-1, you can check by watching the uploaded replays
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 08 2010 22:56 GMT
#2256
On October 09 2010 07:55 Dust14 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:53 blade55555 wrote:
Suggy beat drewbie 2-1.

Does drewbie still advance no matter what?

Depends if that Huk vs Murder result on the ESL site is correct or not


No murder lost. I'm 99% sure that Drewbie still advances.

Murder lost 2-1.
When I think of something else, something will go here
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
October 08 2010 22:56 GMT
#2257
On October 09 2010 07:41 DonKey_ wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On October 09 2010 07:37 Longshank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:26 DonKey_ wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:24 question wrote:
Lol it doesnt matter if it was PF or OC. that PF was out of range that collasus army.....


^ this is very true it wasn't the fact that it was a PF that stopped kiwi from killing it , it was the repairing from the scvs that kept it alive.



I'm not gonna discuss balance, Kiwi made some bad decissions and Fenix deserved the win - but this is just nonsense. The fact that it was a PF stopped Kiwi from both getting closer to kill off the scvs(there were no tanks up at that time) and attacking with his group of sentries/stalkers. An OC would have gone down instantly.


your not going to discuss balance, but you are ?

yes the PF prevented any OTHER units from killing the scvs but the collosi could easily have had range of them, and not been shot by the PF


No I'm not. I'm just pointing out the error in saying it didn't matter if it was an OC or a PF. I'm not saying anything about PFs being too strong or not.

And you should read up on the attack range of PFs and Colossus.
eohs
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States677 Posts
October 08 2010 22:56 GMT
#2258
On October 09 2010 07:53 iCCup.Diamond wrote:
SUGGY beat Drewbie 2-1

Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:52 EzoGooD wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:49 Jibba wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:46 EzoGooD wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:44 kojinshugi wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:43 EzoGooD wrote:
I posted one thing about how ZERG isnt in this, and i get a TL.BOT saying ... "Keep the fucking trash balance whining out of the LR thread." just because i said balance. Now i have a warning because i spoke the truth that there are no zergs in this tourney how is that sparking the balance issues. I am simply stating that there are no ZERGS in this tourney. Isn't that odd? kinda makes me want to play zerg I am sure it makes some other ppl who like to be the underdog be zerg as well.


And what do you think you're gonna get for THAT post?



Someone has to post that ... it makes no sense that i would be warned saying and that there are no zergs , and ppl think this game is balanced. That is what I said. I just find it funny that there is no zergs in this tourney. in korea or EU there is always a zerg in the finals or very close to the finals , in US there is no Zergs in the finals... just a statement.

"Its funny how no zergs are in here , and ppl still think this game is balanced ... lol"

Clearly that's not what you mean. Either take it to PM or face further punishment. You've already crapped in this thread once.



Your BOT wont let me PM him back, IT SAYS (Do not reply to this message. No one will receive it.) so how can I PM that? Well if im lying about that balance thing then i guess im dying.... notice how no one argued with me lol. I wont say another word about it... just wanna put my 2cents in thats all.


I would highly suggest to stop with the IMBA talk and stop arguing with the mods. Just a suggestion however....



I have already dropped it, however this post kinda is in the same group however I am just answering u , so should be ok...
WELCOME TO THE PARTY
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
October 08 2010 22:57 GMT
#2259
On October 09 2010 07:56 blade55555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2010 07:55 Dust14 wrote:
On October 09 2010 07:53 blade55555 wrote:
Suggy beat drewbie 2-1.

Does drewbie still advance no matter what?

Depends if that Huk vs Murder result on the ESL site is correct or not


No murder lost. I'm 99% sure that Drewbie still advances.

Murder lost 2-1.


Correct, I'm going off match histories (as I am sure blade is also) not the ESL site.
Ballistix Gaming Global Gaming/Esports Marketing Manager - twitter.com/esvdiamond
Dingotrold
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark622 Posts
October 08 2010 22:57 GMT
#2260
Wow... KiwiKaki is out? God damn that makes me so sad, love his play, and get to see it so rarely... Fenix is totally baller though.

Going for SCVs is probably the only thing you can do against PF. It does seem kinda harsh that 6 Collosus can't take out a terran main, while 6 marauders can take out a protoss main without much hassle, but that's what happens man.
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