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Hakker
United States1360 Posts
Consider this, the GSL is held monthly, meaning if you were consistently a quarter-finalist, you'd be making 1700 a month. Which is certainly not poverty for the average korean. I mean, I'm sure that in BW there was a larger amount of people making livable wages from gaming, but for a new game this is not bad. | ||
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Shakes
Australia557 Posts
1st Round $19,500 2nd Round $31,500 3rd Round $52,000 4th Round $89,000 Quarter finalist $200,000 Semi finalist $400,000 Runners-up $1,050,000 Winners $2,100,000 Obviously the numbers are a lot bigger, but just looking at the ratios used it's a fair bit less top heavy than the GSL. | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On October 12 2010 10:33 Shakes wrote: I think comparing to other individual sports with an elimination format is probably a reasonable way to look at it, certainly Tennis seems a closer match to the GSL than Poker. Here's the prize money from the Australian Open singles: 1st Round $19,500 2nd Round $31,500 3rd Round $52,000 4th Round $89,000 Quarter finalist $200,000 Semi finalist $400,000 Runners-up $1,050,000 Winners $2,100,000 Obviously the numbers are a lot bigger, but just looking at the ratios used it's a fair bit less top heavy than the GSL. tennis is a whole other mess with "equal pay" for women when they play fewer sets. try to stay on topic. | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
I would also like to further say, if the only real money comes from first place, it makes it harder to actually earn a living off of it for pretty much everyone else. Even first place winners won't be making first place all the time. Which means fewer players bothering with the game or practicing less since they would need a "real" job to support themselves or rely on income elsewhere which would take time away. It would hard to call these players "professionals" when there main source of income is selling fruit. And really who watched the GSL because of the prize pool? On October 07 2010 01:30 Sadistx wrote: No, not nearly heavy enough actually. I honestly don't think ro64 or ro32 should even get anything, but they do. AFAIK most tournaments that have lower prize pools only pay out to top 4 places at best. Even bigger things like MLG only pay out to top8 and that's exactly how it should be. I think it's a bit preposterous that you'd expect to be paid something significant for just placing into ro64. What it means is that bad people would cheese the shit out of qualifying rounds just to get to ro64 to get paid, which hurts the quality of games in the long run. In some random tournament, no. But this is the GSL where the prelims consist of thousands. Coming out in the top 64 is meaningful there. | ||
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DND_Enkil
Sweden598 Posts
On October 12 2010 10:06 eggs wrote: but on the other hand the RO64 and RO32 to some extent matches in GSL1 were awful to watch. i doubt any of the games played in the first round attracted any new subscribers for season tickets. why should they pay out more to players who earn them less? I think the argument here is that they will continue to be awful to watch unless players that consistently reach round 32 but not further can make enough money to make a living and thus dedicate the time needed to raise thier skill. this isn't a gambling tournament. it's not like poker where the prize pool is covered by the entrants who are only there to try to win money. it's a unique opportunity to showcase skill and play against the best in the world. do you think Flash and Jaedong cared about the prize pool of WCG? Not sure what you are arguing for here, first off the opportunity to showcase yourself still aint worth much to the vast majority of the players if that is not followed by beaing able to support yourself due to your skill. And if Flash or JD did not care that much about the prize pool why not even it out? I would say that the argument that the biggest reason to play is to showcase yourself in order to attract sponsors actually works against your point of stacking the prize-pool for the winner. The winner and runner-up are thoose that can almost be guaranteed to attract said sponsors and secure income from other sources than prize money. The players who consistently reaches R8-R32 but never quite go all the way will be more dependant on the income from prize money since most sponsors will flock to the biggest names. On October 12 2010 10:53 eggs wrote: tennis is a whole other mess with "equal pay" for women when they play fewer sets. try to stay on topic. Please explain why the equal pay policy invalidates the comparison? The Prize pool distribution would still reamain the same (same % of the total) even if this was not the case. The actual figures are not as interesting as how large a percentage of the total it is. | ||
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dcberkeley
Canada844 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
On October 12 2010 03:57 Reason.SC2 wrote: I think it should be this way: Ro64: $ 500 Ro32: $ 1500 Ro16: $ 3500 Ro8: $ 7500 Ro4: $15000 Runner Up: $25000 Winner: $50000 The total prize pool would still be pretty much the same as it currently is. This would make pro-gaming less of an all-in career choice as if you consistently play well you can make a living without even being a finalist. As it stands now to 'make a living' from it you pretty much have to either always make it to the Ro8... something that given cheeses and stuff that can happen in qualifying and early round, isn't doable even for who we see as the best players. This looks like a fair ratio to me and would encourage more foreigners to participate. | ||
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bjwithbraces
United States549 Posts
Like was said on the first page and I'm sure several times over, throwing 100,000,000 won(~$88k) on posters and spreading it is a sure way to get the attention of not just spectators, but potential broodwar pros. Flash won $44k beating Jaedong this last OSL. I'm no math major but for the amount of time they're putting in to make half of what sc2 winners are making should give anyone serious consideration to switch. Once you get the pros like Flash, Jaedong, Bisu et al swapping your marketability just shot through the roof. | ||
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romorc
United States6 Posts
On October 07 2010 01:30 Sadistx wrote: No, not nearly heavy enough actually. I honestly don't think ro64 or ro32 should even get anything, but they do. AFAIK most tournaments that have lower prize pools only pay out to top 4 places at best. Even bigger things like MLG only pay out to top8 and that's exactly how it should be. I think it's a bit preposterous that you'd expect to be paid something significant for just placing into ro64. What it means is that bad people would cheese the shit out of qualifying rounds just to get to ro64 to get paid, which hurts the quality of games in the long run. well making it to ro64 out of thousands of players should get paid. its not like there are only 128 or 256 in the tournament. u have to win like 5+ games to get into ro64. | ||
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skAnarky
Canada140 Posts
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mojo_ca
Canada38 Posts
On October 07 2010 01:30 Sadistx wrote: No, not nearly heavy enough actually. I honestly don't think ro64 or ro32 should even get anything, but they do. AFAIK most tournaments that have lower prize pools only pay out to top 4 places at best. Even bigger things like MLG only pay out to top8 and that's exactly how it should be. I think it's a bit preposterous that you'd expect to be paid something significant for just placing into ro64. What it means is that bad people would cheese the shit out of qualifying rounds just to get to ro64 to get paid, which hurts the quality of games in the long run. Well to even get to the ro64 is an epic feat so they surely deserve something. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
The top 3 are all that matter. The top 8 get a very nice amount of money regardless. The winner gets a life-changing amount. That's the entire point. | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
On October 12 2010 23:33 tomatriedes wrote: This looks like a fair ratio to me and would encourage more foreigners to participate. It's not fair in the least. Going from Ro64 to Ro32 triples the prize, whereas winning the finals only doubles the prize. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
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SmoKim
Denmark10305 Posts
On October 28 2010 10:40 skAnarky wrote: I think that Gretech will be changing the structure when the preseason ends. Right now, I think the singular focus is to show people that these are serious, big time/big money events so that the GSL gets large amounts of recognition. I think things will start to possibly change come the new year. pretty much this, and it worked, i was blown away when i saw the prizepool, so was everyone else. | ||
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Niick
Australia426 Posts
On October 28 2010 10:40 skAnarky wrote: I think that Gretech will be changing the structure when the preseason ends. Right now, I think the singular focus is to show people that these are serious, big time/big money events so that the GSL gets large amounts of recognition. I think things will start to possibly change come the new year. Exactly how I'm looking at it. These three GSL's are to get the BEST players going for number one, to get them placed for next year, which I'm sure will then spread the prizes more evenly so these players can attempt to make a living and not need to get 1st 2nd or 3rd at least once | ||
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