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Man, i so wish some mods would go on a banning spree.
It's so disgusting that every thread here becomes a flame/whine thread where every moron states the same things over and over again. I mean come on guys, this is a LR thread, yet one has to search through pages and pages of imba talk to find some posts actually describing the games...
And I'm sure this won't stop unless the mods do some terrible, terrible banning.
People have to realize that this is not the right place for "balance discussion".
How much are you helping by calling everyone morons straight out of the gate? People are goddamned upset, i bet even the mods watching these games are disgusted by that Reaper stuff you just saw, whether they play T or not dosent matter, BS is BS
Stop with the "dont nerf me bro" posts and contribute to the game and community by actually speaking the truth instead of pushing it under the rug for your own self intrest
Something is obviously wrong, and people are upset when they see that and naturally speak out about it.
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On September 15 2010 21:24 On_Slaught wrote:
Well, we can take one thing away from tonight at least.
Tasteless is no doubt getting better as an obvs with the camera control. Well done sir. Haha, this is so true.
Tasteless learned from the Mr. Miyagi of observing.
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On September 15 2010 21:21 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:16 clusen wrote:On September 15 2010 21:14 UberThing wrote:
From todays play I think they need to define the role of voidrays better instead of the current mass a small number (2-4) and rofflestomp everything. They did exactly what they are supposed to do, it's not the Voidrays fault that Idra was not prepared for them. That's just the thing. If you are not prepared for voids when they come, you lose. No other unit is like that. You still have a small chance of out-micoring to survive. If a zerg doesn't have a hydra den or spire already up, they lose. How many overlords was idra supposed to sack? 4? 5?
He was as much prepared as he could be, he had both buildings up plus upgrade. Where the first 2 voids hit the board idra already lost the game with being down 1 base most of the time and no chance on taking another one (one was taken and the gold wasn´t possible). Also in supply he was way behind even before the voids.
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On September 15 2010 21:19 diehilde wrote:
With Z its like being in a boxmatch and having ur arms cut off, ur only chance of winning is dodging every move he has until he finally falls over from exhaustion.
yeah, that is good
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I think they will wait until the first season ends. I don't see them patching it mid-season.
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On September 15 2010 21:21 Fa1nT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:16 clusen wrote:On September 15 2010 21:14 UberThing wrote:
From todays play I think they need to define the role of voidrays better instead of the current mass a small number (2-4) and rofflestomp everything. They did exactly what they are supposed to do, it's not the Voidrays fault that Idra was not prepared for them. That's just the thing. If you are not prepared for voids when they come, you lose. No other unit is like that. You still have a small chance of out-micoring to survive. If a zerg doesn't have a hydra den or spire already up, they lose. How many overlords was idra supposed to sack? 4? 5?
Cloaked banshees come to mind.
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On September 15 2010 21:26 gozima wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:21 Fa1nT wrote:On September 15 2010 21:16 clusen wrote:On September 15 2010 21:14 UberThing wrote:
From todays play I think they need to define the role of voidrays better instead of the current mass a small number (2-4) and rofflestomp everything. They did exactly what they are supposed to do, it's not the Voidrays fault that Idra was not prepared for them. That's just the thing. If you are not prepared for voids when they come, you lose. No other unit is like that. You still have a small chance of out-micoring to survive. If a zerg doesn't have a hydra den or spire already up, they lose. How many overlords was idra supposed to sack? 4? 5? Cloaked banshees come to mind.
cloaked banshees are killable unlike charged voidrays
id rather lose drones than my main+natural
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On September 15 2010 21:25 Shatter wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:24 On_Slaught wrote:
Well, we can take one thing away from tonight at least.
Tasteless is no doubt getting better as an obvs with the camera control. Well done sir. Haha, this is so true. Tasteless learned from the Mr. Miyagi of observing.
There was one big slip up in the first game of the fourth set, but it was only because Artosis kept yelling, "A DROP IN MAKA'S MAIN" drop over and successful, "oh whoops I meant jookTo".
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On September 15 2010 21:23 Armsved wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:20 Pekkz wrote:On September 15 2010 21:12 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:07 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 21:04 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:01 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 20:58 cnas wrote:
This is SC2. Terran makes 10 mistakes, Zerg makes 1, terran wins haha, that was exactly what went through my mind. Z played so well too, shame  And you're back  No bias here, none whatsoever! My favourite part was when he thought magic box applied to mutas, and unborrowed his roaches just as his all his mutas died. Both players made mistakes, this was the critical one. And none with you either, nope! My favorite was when Zerg outplayed and over ran Terran early game with a massive flock of muta, taking out a gold expo, couple of barracks, but all he had to do was make one mistake to lose when though Terran was dropping the ball at the start Lmao early game. You mean when he lost his spire and let him mule the gold for a solid amount of time? Then didn't upgrade his mutas? Seriously my friend... The second game was utter bullshit - short distance map, 5rax reaper - but the first was winnable. Let him mule gold? wtf was he supposed to do. Reapers>lings,roach(nospeed) , that gold was 100% safe, he had tower up on gold when the 6 muta hatched, but not in his main. That game was utter bullshit, and maka should have lost it if there was any balance to the matchup. Blizzard is for sure watching GSL, and after 2th game I think they know they gotta do somthing more then 5 sec to reaper to balance the matchup. They are also NERFING ultralisk... I agree that reapers are incredible retarded and should be getting the bat. But ultra's are also incredible good and I think a nerf is fine there aswell. Surving to tier 3 shouldnt mean autowin for Z aswell as zerg shouldnt suffer coinflip loses due 20 different terran openings.
Ultras are nothing like autowin, actually. They rarely even work against Terran and if they do, you most likely had a huge advantage and could have won in numerous other ways as well. People say Ultras counter tanks but that's just in small numbers, well-places clumps of tanks absolutely decimate ultras.
Ultras are really good against Thors(unless they have the cannons, un which case 10 ultras << 10 thors), but even so I'd say that Brood Lords are the better option in almost every situation. Ultras really are quite terrible units.
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Terran and Protoss players can't really understand how difficult it is for Zerg right now. Their armies are so much better equipped and powerful.
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I liked todays games to some extent. The proxy voids in IdrA's second game was a downer though.... so was the reaper abuse in JTJ's third.
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Guaranteed 3 TvP for RO16 (7 is max)
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On September 15 2010 21:28 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:23 Armsved wrote:On September 15 2010 21:20 Pekkz wrote:On September 15 2010 21:12 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:07 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 21:04 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:01 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 20:58 cnas wrote:
This is SC2. Terran makes 10 mistakes, Zerg makes 1, terran wins haha, that was exactly what went through my mind. Z played so well too, shame And you're back No bias here, none whatsoever! My favourite part was when he thought magic box applied to mutas, and unborrowed his roaches just as his all his mutas died. Both players made mistakes, this was the critical one. And none with you either, nope! My favorite was when Zerg outplayed and over ran Terran early game with a massive flock of muta, taking out a gold expo, couple of barracks, but all he had to do was make one mistake to lose when though Terran was dropping the ball at the start Lmao early game. You mean when he lost his spire and let him mule the gold for a solid amount of time? Then didn't upgrade his mutas? Seriously my friend... The second game was utter bullshit - short distance map, 5rax reaper - but the first was winnable. Let him mule gold? wtf was he supposed to do. Reapers>lings,roach(nospeed) , that gold was 100% safe, he had tower up on gold when the 6 muta hatched, but not in his main. That game was utter bullshit, and maka should have lost it if there was any balance to the matchup. Blizzard is for sure watching GSL, and after 2th game I think they know they gotta do somthing more then 5 sec to reaper to balance the matchup. They are also NERFING ultralisk... I agree that reapers are incredible retarded and should be getting the bat. But ultra's are also incredible good and I think a nerf is fine there aswell. Surving to tier 3 shouldnt mean autowin for Z aswell as zerg shouldnt suffer coinflip loses due 20 different terran openings. Ultras are nothing like autowin, actually. They rarely even work against Terran and if they do, you most likely had a huge advantage and could have won in numerous other ways as well. People say Ultras counter tanks but that's just in small numbers, well-places clumps of tanks absolutely decimate ultras. Ultras are really good against Thors(unless they have the cannons, un which case 10 ultras << 10 thors), but even so I'd say that Brood Lords are the better option in almost every situation. Ultras really are quite terrible units.
They stomp Stalker Colossi.
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It's so frustrating watching the best zergs in the world get easily dominated by both races.
The first game IdrA lost he was simply outsmarted, basically lured into a trap which he fell for. So yeah he deserved that loss. The second game I don't feel that he should have lost at all. There is just a huge gap in balance (imo) between zerg/protoss/terran armies and unit composition. A lot of you blame player mechanics like him failing to scout the bottom expo but really, in that situation with so much pressure, how many of you would have scouted bottom? IdrA played extremely well, his decisions were right in trying to out macro the toss, but still fell short.
Don't even get me started on what happened between JookToJung and Maka. The second game obviously show cased why reapers are getting nerfed. But the first game was just frustrating to watch. Zerg should have clearly won, by the amount of advantage he barely managed to muscle over. Sure he pre-emptively attacked, but his larger army shouldn't have been obliterated in 2 seconds.
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On September 15 2010 21:31 CruelZeratul wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:28 Shikyo wrote:On September 15 2010 21:23 Armsved wrote:On September 15 2010 21:20 Pekkz wrote:On September 15 2010 21:12 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:07 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 21:04 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:01 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 20:58 cnas wrote:
This is SC2. Terran makes 10 mistakes, Zerg makes 1, terran wins haha, that was exactly what went through my mind. Z played so well too, shame And you're back No bias here, none whatsoever! My favourite part was when he thought magic box applied to mutas, and unborrowed his roaches just as his all his mutas died. Both players made mistakes, this was the critical one. And none with you either, nope! My favorite was when Zerg outplayed and over ran Terran early game with a massive flock of muta, taking out a gold expo, couple of barracks, but all he had to do was make one mistake to lose when though Terran was dropping the ball at the start Lmao early game. You mean when he lost his spire and let him mule the gold for a solid amount of time? Then didn't upgrade his mutas? Seriously my friend... The second game was utter bullshit - short distance map, 5rax reaper - but the first was winnable. Let him mule gold? wtf was he supposed to do. Reapers>lings,roach(nospeed) , that gold was 100% safe, he had tower up on gold when the 6 muta hatched, but not in his main. That game was utter bullshit, and maka should have lost it if there was any balance to the matchup. Blizzard is for sure watching GSL, and after 2th game I think they know they gotta do somthing more then 5 sec to reaper to balance the matchup. They are also NERFING ultralisk... I agree that reapers are incredible retarded and should be getting the bat. But ultra's are also incredible good and I think a nerf is fine there aswell. Surving to tier 3 shouldnt mean autowin for Z aswell as zerg shouldnt suffer coinflip loses due 20 different terran openings. Ultras are nothing like autowin, actually. They rarely even work against Terran and if they do, you most likely had a huge advantage and could have won in numerous other ways as well. People say Ultras counter tanks but that's just in small numbers, well-places clumps of tanks absolutely decimate ultras. Ultras are really good against Thors(unless they have the cannons, un which case 10 ultras << 10 thors), but even so I'd say that Brood Lords are the better option in almost every situation. Ultras really are quite terrible units. They stomp Stalker Colossi.
Yeah they're good against Stalkers but since he was talking about Reapers I really thought he was talking about TvZ
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really interesting how the big protoss-names failed early, while rather underestimated players have now made it to the Ro16
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As a Terran player I am all in favor of axing the reaper totally. Poorly designed unit that is 100% used for cheese in the first 7 minutes of the game and then never ever built again. No other unit in the game is like that. Plus it forces T/Z to always make a certain opening build just by the possibility of reapers limiting starting build options a ton.
With that being said, looking at this thread and others I wonder: What will it take for "us" to say "Hey that Terran player really deserved to win". Still yet to see the community NOT whine like crazy whenever a Zerg loses to Terran, no matter how the match played out. If the Zerg wins, he wins because he is lucky and/or God, if Terran wins it is because he plays Terran.
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On September 15 2010 21:33 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 15 2010 21:31 CruelZeratul wrote:On September 15 2010 21:28 Shikyo wrote:On September 15 2010 21:23 Armsved wrote:On September 15 2010 21:20 Pekkz wrote:On September 15 2010 21:12 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:07 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 21:04 Mato wrote:On September 15 2010 21:01 Dommk wrote:On September 15 2010 20:58 cnas wrote:
This is SC2. Terran makes 10 mistakes, Zerg makes 1, terran wins haha, that was exactly what went through my mind. Z played so well too, shame And you're back No bias here, none whatsoever! My favourite part was when he thought magic box applied to mutas, and unborrowed his roaches just as his all his mutas died. Both players made mistakes, this was the critical one. And none with you either, nope! My favorite was when Zerg outplayed and over ran Terran early game with a massive flock of muta, taking out a gold expo, couple of barracks, but all he had to do was make one mistake to lose when though Terran was dropping the ball at the start Lmao early game. You mean when he lost his spire and let him mule the gold for a solid amount of time? Then didn't upgrade his mutas? Seriously my friend... The second game was utter bullshit - short distance map, 5rax reaper - but the first was winnable. Let him mule gold? wtf was he supposed to do. Reapers>lings,roach(nospeed) , that gold was 100% safe, he had tower up on gold when the 6 muta hatched, but not in his main. That game was utter bullshit, and maka should have lost it if there was any balance to the matchup. Blizzard is for sure watching GSL, and after 2th game I think they know they gotta do somthing more then 5 sec to reaper to balance the matchup. They are also NERFING ultralisk... I agree that reapers are incredible retarded and should be getting the bat. But ultra's are also incredible good and I think a nerf is fine there aswell. Surving to tier 3 shouldnt mean autowin for Z aswell as zerg shouldnt suffer coinflip loses due 20 different terran openings. Ultras are nothing like autowin, actually. They rarely even work against Terran and if they do, you most likely had a huge advantage and could have won in numerous other ways as well. People say Ultras counter tanks but that's just in small numbers, well-places clumps of tanks absolutely decimate ultras. Ultras are really good against Thors(unless they have the cannons, un which case 10 ultras << 10 thors), but even so I'd say that Brood Lords are the better option in almost every situation. Ultras really are quite terrible units. They stomp Stalker Colossi. Yeah they're good against Stalkers but since he was talking about Reapers I really thought he was talking about TvZ
Just wanted to state out, that Ultras aren't useless even if they aren't the best option in ZvT (btw I think they are quite good in this MU) and that shouldn't be that big of a problem because Zerg still has the option to get Broodlords.
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On September 15 2010 21:34 sleepingdog wrote:
really interesting how the big protoss-names failed early, while rather underestimated players have now made it to the Ro16
The big protoss names like Tester and inca totally raped their opponents?!
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Personally, I'm not sure why the zerg player kept trying to expand there. He knew as soon as there were a decent amount of reapers, he was going to die.
Why didn't he try and hold out in his main, rather than trying to chase the reapers away to expand?
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