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Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 15 2010 12:19 GMT
#1701
On September 15 2010 21:11 Omar91 wrote:
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On September 15 2010 21:10 Ascorius wrote:
I cant even see the logic behind some peoples opinions. If a zerg like IdrA doesnt scout a whole 4 player map for a proxy stargate (after seeing a fake robo), he apparently got outplayed and needs to learn how to scout. But if a T makes tons of mistakes like maka did now, he for some reason played well and deserved the win.

Watching T is just annoying at this point. Maka didnt deserve either of his wins. First was just full of playermistakes and the second was abuse of an OP unit.


He didn't deserve the wins ? are you drunk or something ?


I am not drunk, but I wish I were when I saw someone playing so bad and still win. Maybe I wouldnt have noticed that he played like a scrub.
Armsved
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark642 Posts
September 15 2010 12:19 GMT
#1702
Why do people say that terran did ton of mistakes, when he did nothing compared to Z... What Z did is similar to a terran walking towards the Z base on creep and gets cought unsieged by the Z army. He will get desimated and lose the game.

Z made a horrible attack, and his roach switch was just as bad. He should had stayed with linx, baneling muta and if anything added infestor.
YOOO
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 12:20:17
September 15 2010 12:19 GMT
#1703
On September 15 2010 21:18 billyX333 wrote:
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On September 15 2010 21:17 klauz619 wrote:
pssst, hey guy. have you heard tasteless and idra plays in eg?


I'm gonna play a drinking game with my mates.

1 shot of BEER for everytime tasteless either worships the ground idra steps on or mentions his EG.

I might die of alcohol poisoning tommorow.

pretty sure tasteless was brought onto eg to promote the team in korea
...hes doing his job
Yet he says it so much that it's annoying and also conflicts with his other job of casting.

It's fine to plug EG once or twice but not 10+ times that it seemed like.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
September 15 2010 12:20 GMT
#1704
he should've just nydus'd more
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Rawrie
Profile Joined August 2010
26 Posts
September 15 2010 12:20 GMT
#1705
On September 15 2010 21:19 mechanisms wrote:
It's totally Jook To Jung's fault for trying to get his expansion instead of just straight teching to broodlords because they TOTALLY hardcounter reapers.


These words made my day, really
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
September 15 2010 12:20 GMT
#1706
On September 15 2010 21:17 klauz619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
pssst, hey guy. have you heard tasteless and idra plays in eg?


I'm gonna play a drinking game with my mates.

1 shot of BEER for everytime tasteless either worships the ground idra steps on or mentions his EG.

I might die of alcohol poisoning tommorow.


I'm going to play also a game. I take a shot for every time someone who doesn't understand how marketing a business works makes a comm... and I'm already dead and writing this from the grave.
Pekkz
Profile Joined June 2009
Norway1505 Posts
September 15 2010 12:20 GMT
#1707
On September 15 2010 21:12 Mato wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 21:07 Dommk wrote:
On September 15 2010 21:04 Mato wrote:
On September 15 2010 21:01 Dommk wrote:
On September 15 2010 20:58 cnas wrote:
This is SC2. Terran makes 10 mistakes, Zerg makes 1, terran wins


haha, that was exactly what went through my mind. Z played so well too, shame


And you're back No bias here, none whatsoever!

My favourite part was when he thought magic box applied to mutas, and unborrowed his roaches just as his all his mutas died. Both players made mistakes, this was the critical one.



And none with you either, nope! My favorite was when Zerg outplayed and over ran Terran early game with a massive flock of muta, taking out a gold expo, couple of barracks, but all he had to do was make one mistake to lose when though Terran was dropping the ball at the start


Lmao early game. You mean when he lost his spire and let him mule the gold for a solid amount of time? Then didn't upgrade his mutas? Seriously my friend...

The second game was utter bullshit - short distance map, 5rax reaper - but the first was winnable.


Let him mule gold? wtf was he supposed to do. Reapers>lings,roach(nospeed) , that gold was 100% safe, he had tower up on gold when the 6 muta hatched, but not in his main.

That game was utter bullshit, and maka should have lost it if there was any balance to the matchup.

Blizzard is for sure watching GSL, and after 2th game I think they know they gotta do somthing more then 5 sec to reaper to balance the matchup. They are also NERFING ultralisk...
UberThing
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain410 Posts
September 15 2010 12:21 GMT
#1708
On September 15 2010 21:18 zimms wrote:
Man, i so wish some mods would go on a banning spree.

It's so disgusting that every thread here becomes a flame/whine thread where every moron states the same things over and over again. I mean come on guys, this is a LR thread, yet one has to search through pages and pages of imba talk to find some posts actually describing the games...

And I'm sure this won't stop unless the mods do some terrible, terrible banning.
People have to realize that this is not the right place for "balance discussion".


I think its OK to discuss issues that have gone on in the tournament.

Yes there is some flame but it is usually somewhat relevant to the games being played
Wag1
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
September 15 2010 12:21 GMT
#1709
On September 15 2010 21:19 mechanisms wrote:
It's totally Jook To Jung's fault for trying to get his expansion instead of just straight teching to broodlords because they TOTALLY hardcounter reapers. Silly mistake, attempting to make roaches, brilliant stop move micro by Maka, people here shouldn't be complaining when reapers outrange any supposed zerg counter that exists in T1. Save the whining for the bnet forums where they'll fall upon deaf ears.


That sounds reasonable...
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
September 15 2010 12:21 GMT
#1710
On September 15 2010 21:17 Chriamon wrote:
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On September 15 2010 21:12 Bear4188 wrote:
I guess he was supposed to wait for Maka to mismicro the reapers? That seems to be the only counter.


TLO claims (iirc) you can hold it with just mass spines and mass queen. Its worked for me, but I haven't faced any Ts of Maka's level for sure, so I have no idea what that Z should have done.

So what exactly are you planning on teching towards? I'd imagine Reapers can bypass the Spines quite effortlessly and just snipe the drones, or you need like 5 spines per base and will just lose in Macro
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
September 15 2010 12:21 GMT
#1711
On September 15 2010 21:16 clusen wrote:
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On September 15 2010 21:14 UberThing wrote:
From todays play I think they need to define the role of voidrays better instead of the current mass a small number (2-4) and rofflestomp everything.

They did exactly what they are supposed to do, it's not the Voidrays fault that Idra was not prepared for them.


That's just the thing.

If you are not prepared for voids when they come, you lose. No other unit is like that. You still have a small chance of out-micoring to survive.

If a zerg doesn't have a hydra den or spire already up, they lose.

How many overlords was idra supposed to sack? 4? 5?
Too_MuchZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Finland2818 Posts
September 15 2010 12:22 GMT
#1712
On September 15 2010 21:14 Somi wrote:
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On September 15 2010 21:11 xinxy wrote:
Patch 1.1 should have come out yesterday...


I'll be bit surprised if they update during tournament, tho, it'll be epic when they do it after all the zergs are out lol


Well Blizzard might update after RO32 OR in weekend but thats leaves one RO32 left. If that happens TLO might get shafted.
Na_Dann_Ma_GoGo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2959 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-15 12:23:15
September 15 2010 12:22 GMT
#1713
On September 15 2010 21:19 diehilde wrote:
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On September 15 2010 21:16 clusen wrote:
On September 15 2010 21:14 UberThing wrote:
From todays play I think they need to define the role of voidrays better instead of the current mass a small number (2-4) and rofflestomp everything.

They did exactly what they are supposed to do, it's not the Voidrays fault that Idra was not prepared for them.

I hate all these ppl who keep saying "Z wasnt prepared for X". As if the T/P players would be prepared for everything all the time. With Z its like being in a boxmatch and having ur arms cut off, ur only chance of winning is dodging every move he has until he finally falls over from exhaustion.


Nice, best analogy ever!

Edit:
Doesn't matter too much for the Zerg match ups now if Blizzard patches inbetween the GSL rounds. Because only 4 Zergs are left so few ZvT/Ps will be affected by it.
WrathBringerReturns said: No no no. Sarcasm is detected in the voice. When this forum is riddled with stupidity, you think I can tell every post apart? Fair enough it was intended sarcastically, was it obvious? Of course not.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
September 15 2010 12:22 GMT
#1714
On September 15 2010 21:14 UberThing wrote:
From todays play I think they need to define the role of voidrays better instead of the current mass a small number (2-4) and rofflestomp everything.


in game 2 it was 3 void rays vs two queens (that weren't even close together) - in game 3 it was, I think initially 2 void rays against roach/broodlord

if you wanna whine about void rays...fine: but then plz find better examples than todays' games

the 2nd game of maka was sad to watch: I don't understand how all of you can cheer "great micro, great micro" when there isn't "that" much that you could do wrong; I mean, don't get me wrong, I'm getting sick of the imba-talk too that recurs in every thread; but constantly emphasizing how awsome the skill of the reaper-user is is also getting pretty old
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
DminusTerran
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada1337 Posts
September 15 2010 12:23 GMT
#1715
On September 15 2010 21:21 UberThing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 21:18 zimms wrote:
Man, i so wish some mods would go on a banning spree.

It's so disgusting that every thread here becomes a flame/whine thread where every moron states the same things over and over again. I mean come on guys, this is a LR thread, yet one has to search through pages and pages of imba talk to find some posts actually describing the games...

And I'm sure this won't stop unless the mods do some terrible, terrible banning.
People have to realize that this is not the right place for "balance discussion".


I think its OK to discuss issues that have gone on in the tournament.

Yes there is some flame but it is usually somewhat relevant to the games being played


I'm actually finding that overall there seems to have been less and less whining as the days progress, or at least when balance is brought up an attempt is made to justify the complaint. As opposed to just, "ZvT hurp de derp de doo"
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
September 15 2010 12:23 GMT
#1716
On September 15 2010 21:21 UberThing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 21:18 zimms wrote:
Man, i so wish some mods would go on a banning spree.

It's so disgusting that every thread here becomes a flame/whine thread where every moron states the same things over and over again. I mean come on guys, this is a LR thread, yet one has to search through pages and pages of imba talk to find some posts actually describing the games...

And I'm sure this won't stop unless the mods do some terrible, terrible banning.
People have to realize that this is not the right place for "balance discussion".


I think its OK to discuss issues that have gone on in the tournament.

Yes there is some flame but it is usually somewhat relevant to the games being played


the discussion seems to be limited to: "maka won coz it's zvt"

Do yourself a favour and just STFU
xinxy
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada116 Posts
September 15 2010 12:23 GMT
#1717
On September 15 2010 21:21 Fa1nT wrote:
That's just the thing.

If you are not prepared for voids when they come, you lose. No other unit is like that.


You've got to be joking. Reapers are worse in TvZ. You can see it coming and still lose hardcore. Losing from something that catches you completely off guard is not imbalanced. It's quite a valid tactic.
Evil will always triumph because good is dumb.
Armsved
Profile Joined May 2010
Denmark642 Posts
September 15 2010 12:23 GMT
#1718
On September 15 2010 21:20 Pekkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 21:12 Mato wrote:
On September 15 2010 21:07 Dommk wrote:
On September 15 2010 21:04 Mato wrote:
On September 15 2010 21:01 Dommk wrote:
On September 15 2010 20:58 cnas wrote:
This is SC2. Terran makes 10 mistakes, Zerg makes 1, terran wins


haha, that was exactly what went through my mind. Z played so well too, shame


And you're back No bias here, none whatsoever!

My favourite part was when he thought magic box applied to mutas, and unborrowed his roaches just as his all his mutas died. Both players made mistakes, this was the critical one.



And none with you either, nope! My favorite was when Zerg outplayed and over ran Terran early game with a massive flock of muta, taking out a gold expo, couple of barracks, but all he had to do was make one mistake to lose when though Terran was dropping the ball at the start


Lmao early game. You mean when he lost his spire and let him mule the gold for a solid amount of time? Then didn't upgrade his mutas? Seriously my friend...

The second game was utter bullshit - short distance map, 5rax reaper - but the first was winnable.


Let him mule gold? wtf was he supposed to do. Reapers>lings,roach(nospeed) , that gold was 100% safe, he had tower up on gold when the 6 muta hatched, but not in his main.

That game was utter bullshit, and maka should have lost it if there was any balance to the matchup.

Blizzard is for sure watching GSL, and after 2th game I think they know they gotta do somthing more then 5 sec to reaper to balance the matchup. They are also NERFING ultralisk...


I agree that reapers are incredible retarded and should be getting the bat. But ultra's are also incredible good and I think a nerf is fine there aswell. Surving to tier 3 shouldnt mean autowin for Z aswell as zerg shouldnt suffer coinflip loses due 20 different terran openings.
YOOO
On_Slaught
Profile Joined August 2008
United States12190 Posts
September 15 2010 12:24 GMT
#1719
Well, we can take one thing away from tonight at least.

Tasteless is no doubt getting better as an obvs with the camera control. Well done sir.
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
September 15 2010 12:24 GMT
#1720
On September 15 2010 21:17 Chriamon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 15 2010 21:12 Bear4188 wrote:
I guess he was supposed to wait for Maka to mismicro the reapers? That seems to be the only counter.


TLO claims (iirc) you can hold it with just mass spines and mass queen. Its worked for me, but I haven't faced any Ts of Maka's level for sure, so I have no idea what that Z should have done.


I would like to see that because I'm curious how he survives until he has the Queens and Spine Crawlers up.
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