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On September 02 2010 15:21 JayDee_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 15:14 Ascorius wrote:On September 02 2010 15:05 JayDee_ wrote:
This does make sense in hindsight. Koreans are batshitcrazy for starcraft, so you can charge them to watch high quality games. If GOM charges Koreans, then they have to charge the rest of the world or else they would lose massive amounts of money. I have spent $30 on worse things. But they dont charge the Koreans. Its free in Korea. But, for some reason they believe the western market are more willing to shell out money. Are you sure that is correct? Are they milking the foreigners or is this an flat rate for the world? The latter is fair.
Sorry for double posting if I am, but this was just such a funny quote. Companies do not care for fair, (and besides that would not be fair!) they care for maximized profit. How do you achieve that in a world with great disparity when it comes to income and living standard? You price discriminate, and it is more fair, as it often is used to match prices in different countries to their income:
"Pharmaceutical companies may charge customers living in wealthier countries (such as the United States) a much higher price than for identical drugs in poorer nations, as is the case with the sale of anti-retroviral drugs in Africa. Since the purchasing power of African consumers is much lower, sales would be extremely limited without price discrimination. The ability of pharmaceutical companies to maintain price differences between countries is often reinforced by national drugs laws and regulations. (or lack thereof)"
It wouldnt be "fair" if you had to pay the same amount as some chinese dude, as you probably have alot more money, working less. Having the same price does not constitute as fair in my opionion, that is just way to simplistic.
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I am so restreaming and recording this! People shouldn't pay for someything like they, they get enough money from ads
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On September 02 2010 19:05 Aurdon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 18:07 rAize- wrote:
As everyone here screams that e-sports should become bigger and better. You pay to watch professional sports(Sky-sports anyone?) etc...You dont pay to watch everygame just like in sc. You dont pay for every game you could possibly watch, its a step further to professional e-sports and its a company...why not charge money if you see this serious. No need to whine. Accept it or dont. You don't pay for MLB, NFL, NBA, or NHL. You don't pay for the Olympics or World Cup. You advertise and broadcast it free. IEM, MLG, and other eSports companies find a way to do this. Why can't GOMTV?
So nhl center ice... don't cost money? People must be doing something wrong then.
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Ahem... $50/month for unreliable, bad quality internet stream ridden with ads? That's about the cost of a huge cable TV package with hundreds of channels broadcasting 24/7, many in true HD. Excuse me GOMTV, but this just doesn't make sense. $30-40/year would be a reasonable price.
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On September 01 2010 18:00 GOMTV wrote:
Gretech, GomTV
e-Sports Division
rofl, good job on promoting esports. Simultaneously trying to kill pro-broodwar and charging excessively for your own over-hyped tourney full of no-name semi-pro's. I paid for Gom Season 3 just because I wanted to contribute money towards esports (the value was shite btw). After this announcement I see you have no intention of promoting esports, it seems you're in it for some quick cash rather than building a viewership. If your company's goal is to stop people watching SC altogether you're heading in the right direction.
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Ill add my two cents here as well:
Charging for this stream will prevent exactly the thing I was hoping for. It will deny the ability for any starcraft interested person to watch this event with other friends of lower starcraft interest. Instead of creating a possibility for new people to enjoy the game and see it played at a professional level it will exclude most people. Charge for a HQ stream if you must, but provide a standard quality stream for free.
To those that said they needed money to finance the league and that it might get free / financed by sponsors in the end, you are misinformed about the way of capitalistic intent: Once the audience has accepted that something must be payed for there is never again a reason to provide it for free. Even if they got sponsors and made more money they would not start providing it for free because the audience would allready have accepted that they need to pay for it.
I do not, however, believe that the international starcraft community will accept doing so. Perhaps a few select fans will pay this, extraordinarily high amount, but most people will not. Blizzard just threw the best chance of getting starcraft recognized as an esport out the window by allowing gomtv to charge for this stream.
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This is the final straw for me as far as Gretech and Gom are concerned.
Complete fail- who the hell do they think they are? What an awful business decision- no doubt they are hoping the Koreans will lap this up.
FAIL..
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Gretech cannot imagine getting koreans to pay (yet) for watching SC2 or attending the games.
And as we know:
- KPop isnt cheap
- Insane prize pool
So we have to bail them out.... NOT HAPPENING
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wait, so clarification, will there be a standard quality stream for free?
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On September 02 2010 20:11 Kokujin wrote:
wait, so clarification, will there be a standard quality stream for free?
no.
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On September 02 2010 20:11 Kokujin wrote:
wait, so clarification, will there be a standard quality stream for free?
You will get nothing for free.
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On September 02 2010 20:11 Kokujin wrote:
wait, so clarification, will there be a standard quality stream for free?
Seriously mate. You need to at least read the OP before asking a question like this.
Here is from the OP:
However, for GSL all streams and VODs will be charged.
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lol who cares about a league you can't even watch these days? Terrible
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sigh...I guess that I understand about streams but why do we have to buy the rights to watch vods???
That's just not good business decision
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So many people just want everything for free... Stupid arguments like "now I can't introduce new people to SC2", as if there wasn't thousands of hours of commentaries available and 5-30 live streams running any given time of the day. I agree that it's overpriced, the $30 option should have both the live stream and the VODs. Most people who catch it live won't sit down and watch the VODs all over again, so bandwidth costs won't increase much. They should provide at least a 700+ kbps stream, since they streamed 300kbps for free. Now it is most likely a smaller audience so bandwidth shouldn't be a problem.
People say that they don't have money and that advertisements should cover the broadcasting costs, but they don't realize that ads only work because people actually buy the products advertised. If the audience hasn't got any money, nobody will want to advertise to that audience. Ads also work much better if they are targeted. You can clearly see how the MLG ads are targeted towards American college students. ESL is a bit more global, and it also has Intel as a sponsor who wouldn't necessarily want to pay for advertising in 2 different global SC2 tournaments. ESL also has long presentations that sometimes interrupt the matches. The list of sponsors that want to advertise globally to gamers but aren't already doing so might not be that long.
Traditional sports can be streamed for free (ad-supported) because 90% of their audience doesn't just immediately pull the "I am really fucking broke" card.
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Holy Crap, what's happening with this sick world?
Paying for everything, better twice, seems like customer care is something from yesterday.
They would have the chance to promote e-Sport with SC2 in the western world, starting something to establish, or at least laying the basement, and they ruin it right from the start with charging fees for streams?
Good luck in gaining audiance, i bet it's gonna fail miserably.
Crap World we're livin.
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On September 02 2010 19:22 nam nam wrote:Show nested quote +On September 02 2010 19:05 Aurdon wrote:On September 02 2010 18:07 rAize- wrote:
As everyone here screams that e-sports should become bigger and better. You pay to watch professional sports(Sky-sports anyone?) etc...You dont pay to watch everygame just like in sc. You dont pay for every game you could possibly watch, its a step further to professional e-sports and its a company...why not charge money if you see this serious. No need to whine. Accept it or dont. You don't pay for MLB, NFL, NBA, or NHL. You don't pay for the Olympics or World Cup. You advertise and broadcast it free. IEM, MLG, and other eSports companies find a way to do this. Why can't GOMTV? So nhl center ice... don't cost money? People must be doing something wrong then.
NHL Center Ice: $80 for 40 games/week from October to April, professional players far beyond the level of anything BW or SC2 has yet seen, professional announcers, production/stat/interview teams of dozens of people, full 1080p HD broadcasts. Why would you even begin to compare that to GOM's stream?
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Well I can't afford that... Simple as that... I'm still hoping we'll get free version filled with commercials and very low quality...
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Get your money from sponsors like everyone else. There are too many people out there that aren`t old enough, got money enough or are just able to pay for this service. Dont take this great experience away from them. If u are to !LAZY! to get enough sponsor money, put up a donation as well. Im 100% sure alot of people who are able to pay will donate some money for the sake of eSport. But dont take this away from the ones who can`t.
If you go through with this I`ll stop using anything related to GOM for all feature and I got a feelign Im not the only one.
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I will not watch a single match of GSL, I am sad to say. Further, I will not watch any VODs, until Gretech gives assurances that uploaders and restreamers will not be subjects to a witchhunt.
Very, very sad news.
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