EPT[GSL] About GSL Streams and VODs - Page 42
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krunaldo
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:33 GenoZStriker wrote: They didn't say it was free. Don't think they ever did. The only time "free" is used in that post is for the KBS 88 Stadium. Did you read the post? "Well I guess another big question everyone has is "How the hell do we watch the games?!" We will upload them on http://www.gomtv.net. It is NOT in Korean and you do NOT need to pay." There's no reading between the lines or anything. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:33 GenoZStriker wrote: They didn't say it was free. Don't think they ever did. The only time "free" is used in that post is for the KBS 88 Stadium. Well I guess another big question everyone has is "How the hell do we watch the games?!" We will upload them on http://www.gomtv.net. It is NOT in Korean and you do NOT need to pay. | ||
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Ome
Canada157 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:33 GenoZStriker wrote: They didn't say it was free. Don't think they ever did. The only time "free" is used in that post is for the KBS 88 Stadium. I'm not saying it should be free, I'm saying 50$ for a month (a season) is ridiculous. Heck, it's only 200$ for 5 months of NHL center ice, 200$ for four months of NFL Sunday Ticket. Heck it's 140$ for MLB extra innings for 6 months. | ||
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emperorchampion
Canada9496 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:25 JWD wrote: This is spot on, and what really grinds my gears. Why is GOM punishing non-Koreans?  As I understand it, it's because they can get Korean ads to an all Korean audience. However, it's a little difficult to get ads to a foreign audience because of the wide demographic. I'm not really sure if that's the true reason- and if it is, if it's legit, but whatever... Some refinements that I think would help are: -1 week trial, this way you can see if your schedule accommodates the GSL, and order accordingly -Single day live views, maybe like $2.00- so you can watch VODs on the weekdays and live on the weekends I guess I expected it to be free, but to be honest I don't mind paying if I know it's a quality product. Yeah, I'm disappointed- but that's life. If there was an option to pay for live matches individually I would pay 100% for those, and probably buy VODs as well, as it is I might not get either | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Kishkumen
United States650 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:56 djWHEAT wrote: Do we have a comprehensive budget one-sheet of how GOM has spent this money? Do we have ANY detail on the "poor decisions" that have been made? Do we even know the justification as to WHY it's going to be this way? I mean, we've all speculated in this thread, but can you really say those things in confidence? I was just going off of your speculation that all the sponsor money went towards the prize pool. I felt as long as we were playing the speculation game that I could say that they probably made some poor decisions. Of course it could be completely justified that we have to pay so much, but I feel like the evidence doesn't point towards that. IEM and MLG didn't make me pay for an LQ stream and they don't seem to have gone bankrupt. Why couldn't GOM do something similar to what MLG and IEM did? I can't see what sort of extenuating circumstances would make GOM incapable of providing the same services that these smaller tournaments provided. That's why I suspect there's poor decision making involved. Perhaps if they offer a good explanation, I'll change my mind, but at the moment I'm more inclined to believe that they just goofed up and are asking me to foot part of the bill. | ||
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:37 Kishkumen wrote: I was just going off of your speculation that all the sponsor money went towards the prize pool. I felt as long as we were playing the speculation game that I could say that they probably made some poor decisions. Of course it could be completely justified that we have to pay so much, but I feel like the evidence doesn't point towards that. IEM and MLG didn't make me pay for an LQ stream and they don't seem to have gone bankrupt. Why couldn't GOM do something similar to what MLG and IEM did? I can't see what sort of extenuating circumstances would make GOM incapable of providing the same services that these smaller tournaments provided. That's why I suspect there's poor decision making involved. Perhaps if they offer a good explanation, I'll change my mind, but at the moment I'm more inclined to believe that they just goofed up and are asking me to foot part of the bill. Fair enough. I made the assumption because I doubt that GOM themselves have the money to create that sort of prize pool. I like your question about why couldn't GOM do something similar to MLG and IEM... and I wonder how much of it has to do with cultural differences. Do they really know the Western audience? Those are also two organizations who've clawed through years of BS to get to where they are today, and even they still respect the Western/European approach to Pro-Gaming... meaning, they know many of us have spent the past 4 years never having to pay for a damn thing. Coincidentally, I've purchased both MLG and ESL premium streams. | ||
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dvide
United Kingdom287 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:36 emperorchampion wrote: Single day live views, maybe like $2.00- so you can watch VODs on the weekdays and live on the weekends They already have this. It's $1.95 for a 1 day live ticket. Depending on djWheat's review, I might buy this for the finals. And maybe for Idra's games if he goes far in the brackets. | ||
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
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dybydx
Canada1764 Posts
$500k is a very large pool. i m pretty sure TG-Intel, the official sponsors, are not willing to shell that much since GOM do not own a TV channel. I know they have recently entered into a deal with OGN but the effectiveness of that is still up in the air. i speculate that either blizz has guaranteed parts of the pool or that when gretech signed contract with blizz, gretech do not pay blizz but has agreed to a $500k pool. e-sport is a cutthroat industry. ESWC, one of the largest e-sport organizers went into financial troubles this yr and they were not the only one. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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PanzerDragoon
United States822 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:47 Anomarad wrote: I'll be watching the Korean version free on OGN, just like how I watch Brood War. :D Has this been confirmed officially? | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:46 djWHEAT wrote: Fair enough. I made the assumption because I doubt that GOM themselves have the money to create that sort of prize pool. I like your question about why couldn't GOM do something similar to MLG and IEM... and I wonder how much of it has to do with cultural differences. Do they really know the Western audience? Those are also two organizations who've clawed through years of BS to get to where they are today, and even they still respect the Western/European approach to Pro-Gaming... meaning, they know many of us have spent the past 4 years never having to pay for a damn thing. Coincidentally, I've purchased both MLG and ESL premium streams. If I've learned something through years of Starcraft, it's that Koreans have absolutely no idea what works outside of Korea, and they seem to have no desire to find out. | ||
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mmdmmd
722 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:53 Chill wrote: If I've learned something through years of Starcraft, it's that Koreans have absolutely no idea what works outside of Korea, and they seem to have no desire to find out. Funny I just read an article on wfbrood saying that Blizzard have absolutely no idea what works in Asia. It went on to explain why several financially motivated moves Blizz have made in recent years in Korea/China all had a negative effect. It's here if anyone want to read it (Chinese) http://www.wfbrood.com/sc2/zatan/sc2_54577.html | ||
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Zocat
Germany2229 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:46 djWHEAT wrote: And for that matter... is it worth it to someone to say, buy a 1 day pass to determine if it's worth a damn? Or is that already BS? I have to admit - I didnt think about that. So that's what I am going to do  Saturday morning. 11am. Beer in hand. In front of my PC. If everything works I'm considering paying more. Oh ... and I hope they have a way in which I can pay them *G* | ||
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DaZe
Sweden2111 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:00 hypercube wrote: Asking $25-$50/month for home entertainment is not a workable business model. Maybe if you have a great product that everyone knows is great. And I don't just mean great in the sense that it's professional and well produced. I mean great as in OMG I GOTTA SEE THIS!11. There's just so many substitutes both in entertainment in general and esports in particular that's cheaper and also high quality. Must be painful for guys like you who work very hard and would presumably like to see some returns at some point but it's just a very tough climate. Especially esports where most of your potential customers have little disposable income. You can try to change attitudes but unless you have a plan to get rid of most forms of free entertainment you're stuck. That's why I think the correct model is to ask people who can afford to pay to pay (for some premium service but mostly to support the scene) and let others get the product free, especially since the marginal cost for additional viewers is close to 0. Spot on. | ||
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SevenAteNine
126 Posts
i feel like this new business model is just a ramp up of the old one or that they just think all of us Americans are just big heads attached to designer jeans with huge wads of money and all you need is a big enough fishing rod to reel us in | ||
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Furycrab
Canada456 Posts
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Frankon
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