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mOnion
United States5660 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:58 djWHEAT wrote: So I can eventually charge $20 per episode for people to access the amazing 150k quality video stream... obviously. Chill's not cheap you know. hahaha I fuckin love you dude, I can like hear your voice through your text, its amazing | ||
Chill
Calgary26004 Posts
On September 02 2010 03:46 djWHEAT wrote: OMG YOU ARE SO FIRED!?! Why couldn't this news have come out prior to Sunday??? This would be an awesome Weapon of Choice discussion topic  I mean I get that everyone's spending is different, and that people are upset for different reasons. It's not much different from Microsoft raising XBOX LIVE another $10/year starting in November. I don't feel like I get $50/year worth in the first place. But others may think that playing Halo with 12 year old kids is worth that and don't give a damn. I wish, like a few of the other posters who have pointed out, that GOM would offer a bit more explanation as for the change. If they told you that they were charging for this premium service so that they could fully upgrade their infrastructure to ensure they are delivering a good product... would you go for it? Or are you simply just not happy with the fact that you get no way to "review" the product without paying money... And for that matter... is it worth it to someone to say, buy a 1 day pass to determine if it's worth a damn? Or is that already BS? I spend money on some pretty stupid shit, so on one hand that doesn't seem a big deal to me... but I'm trying to put myself in other's shoes, and that 1 day pass could be like 3 days of ramen. I'm more curious than anything... I think, in all things, I like transparency. Do you know why they are charging foreigners and not Koreans? Because foreigners may (unknown) pay and Koreans have shown in the past they will not pay for Starcraft (outside of the cable channels). If there was an explanation of the costs associated with streaming to foreigners I would be much more likely to pay. Image is important, and posting that we will have to pay 3 days before the opening broadcast makes me feel like they haven't put any forethought into setting this up for anyone who isn't Korean. That makes me feel like shit, and I'm not going to pay to feel like shit. The costs of servers and bandwidth for streaming TSL was insane. But forethought was put into it on how to cover those costs in order to maximize viewership. Yes, the staff could have probably just hosted it on UStream and saved a bunch of money, but it would have affected the viewers' experience with it. Hell, I think I would even feel better if they had marketed it as "The Korean stream is free for everyone, but because of the extra costs, if you want the English stream for foreigners, you will have to buy our premium service." But it wasn't said like that, it was said as "We set up this international tournament and put in effort to cater to foreigners; By the way, if you are foreign, you will pay." So that's my explanation. I can't speak for why the other 1071 people aren't going to pay, but I'm a very spiteful man. In the end, I'm not going to pay someone whom I feel doesn't deserve it. As I've said time and again, the actual dollars don't matter (to me). | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4769 Posts
Not to mention that there is lot of free sc2 events, gom is not FIFA it does not have monoply on the game. PS. I 100% agree with Chill. | ||
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Midj
Canada253 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:00 mOnion wrote: hahaha I fuckin love you dude, I can like hear your voice through your text, its amazing With his quasi-stoner laugh. =P | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:00 mOnion wrote: hahaha I fuckin love you dude, I can like hear your voice through your text, its amazing Yeah its a bit of a mindfcuk, speaking of which... ![[image loading]](http://dontclickthis.whatingods.name/farnsworth.jpg) User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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DeLoAdEr
Japan527 Posts
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Magnacx
3 Posts
I just made some research. We have this digital PayTV called Sky, here in Germany( i think other countrys have sky aswell). The Basic FamilyBundle with 20+ Channels cost 19,90 €/month They have a special BundesligaBundle(Soccer National League) which covers all soccergames (+championsleague, etc) on 6 different channels and with extras like chosable camera POV. 19,90€/month The Premium Bundles with additional Moviechannels or Sport Channels cost 33€ Monthly. ESL.tv (european esports league) premium fee is 2€/Month. And you also get profesionall QL, CSS, CS1.6, and many many more coverage!! Lowquality for free of course... | ||
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Al Bundy
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hyouro
Denmark45 Posts
I am all in for supporting "esports" (which is a fucking gay word) and it is our duty to help contribute when it is needed. But in this case, GOM has to prove them selves that they are able and mature enough for this job. They got some cleaning up to do with their reputation. But let's no go and say GOM is fucking idiots, because they are the only ones in Korea that actually gives a flying fuck for the rest of the world. So please don't say you will never support GOM again. I really do hope they will see and learn from their mistakes and keep improving from that point. I also raged hard when I saw this, but it was mostly by principle I did that. People need to convince me I have to throw money into something good. Else they aren't getting a dime. And love goes out to DJWheat and my hero Slasher | ||
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FindingPride
United States1001 Posts
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FreezerJumps
Canada653 Posts
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djWHEAT
United States925 Posts
I'm not sure what to expect, but I hope they can give up some info. | ||
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butter
United States785 Posts
On September 02 2010 02:46 djWHEAT wrote: I don't feel like GOMtv is intentionally trying to gouge anyone here, I think they are trying to prove the tournament and coverage's worth to support upcoming seasons/competitions. With that being said, I do agree with many that it would be a wise idea for GOMtv to offer at least a portion of the event for free to offer a "Proof in Concept" that things will work as effectively as they should. The idea that ESPORTS is going to grow little by little if we all just chip in our $30 or whatever to the first company that comes along is absurd. I appreciate your contribution as a shoutcaster and tireless campaigner for the cause of esport, but come on. Be realistic. Gom built up some goodwill and a moderately sized audience with their SC:BW leagues. "Community-generated" Youtube commentaries and the release of SC2 attracted substantial attention to the scene. Now they are trying to milk their exclusive deal with Blizzard till it's dry. They are the only show in town, and they know it. Of course Gom would be happy if their audience grows and grows, because (as is taught in business schools) a bigger number is bigger than a smaller number. But in what way are they helping that cause? Of course MLG would be happy if a million noobs came and paid $60 to play Nony in their random bracket. That doesn't mean they are genuinely investing in the growth and long-term success of esport. If SC2 esport succeeds, it will be despite these blatant moneygrabs. | ||
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Skvid
Lithuania751 Posts
On September 02 2010 04:07 djWHEAT wrote: I've officially knocked on the doors of both Tasteless and Artosis to find out if we can get ANY information in regards to the reasoning behind this. I'm not sure what to expect, but I hope they can give up some info. I doubt that they are allowed to voice their opinions on this matter. But keep us posted. | ||
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xs101
Romania86 Posts
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itsrick
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
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Aikin
Austria532 Posts
I mean GSL may be the tournement with the biggest price pool and probably very high quality of players but in ESL and MLG events I know a lot more of the players and thus have more people to root for. It´s just that there are so many events I can watch for free with good english coverage and sometimes hero interviewers that paying only for 1 event just seems unreasonable for the average user. Also the price is quite high for students like me and we like people said before we don´t even know how good the stream will work here in Europe. Therefore gom should keep in mind that 1000 people paying like 10 $ is still more then 100 paying 20-50 $. | ||
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deo1
United States199 Posts
If 2000* people pay $50 for the stream and VODS then they'd make $100,000 off of that and cover over half the prize winnings of the gsl. However, if they charged $10 for stream and VODS and 10000 people subscribed (more reasonable scenario I think, more people tuned into the TSL2*), they would make just as much money* and get way more exposure. I don't know how they set the price point, but based on my little knowledge of foreign viewership tendencies, I think they could vastly improve both viewership count and their own profit. *+ Show Spoiler + (notes: *even 2000 seems like a stretch. *tsl was free, but sc2 is way more popular. *more viewers means more bandwidth means higher cost so the 2 scenarios are not identical earnings but I think it's a reasonable comparison. higher viewership counts also increases likelihood of sponsorship.) | ||
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shrinkmaster
Germany947 Posts
I don't know exactly for what i'm paying. How long i can use it. Which quality it will have. If it will run stable. If i will get a refund if it's not working etc. etc. It boils down to this: I would feel pretty stupid if i took their offer and i don't like feeling stupid. And even if i want to support professional esports i don't think that a company who has such a poor communication policy deserves my money. Now and in the future. | ||
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