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teamsolid
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada3668 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 17:29:20
August 21 2010 17:26 GMT
#4861
Rofl, Terrans crying about when at least 2-3x the gas cost of thors get beat by mutas... The reason Tarson lost on Xel Naga was that he spent WAY too much money on hellions and too much gas on tanks. What he needed was a mix of marine/thor/hellion. Which might require the Terran to actually scout the Zerg army composition for once and adapt? Oh noes.
dolpiff
Profile Joined June 2010
France300 Posts
August 21 2010 17:26 GMT
#4862
anyway if the Terrans make splitted balls of stimmed marines instead of those thors i think it pretty much shut down any kind of muta agression doesnt it?

and i asked earlier but didnt ger response does flyer attack upgrade also increase the ricochet damage, or just the first glaive?
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 17:28:04
August 21 2010 17:27 GMT
#4863
OK, i found the rep, it's about 2 weeks old only, and it's not lalush it's Sid vs one of the best eu terrans, he was top 1 ladder at one time, and he's the best Romanian Terran

Check it out. You can see that innovative stuff right there, i learnt it here, i'm pretty sure now:

http://rapidshare.com/files/414282184/alex_vs_sid.SC2Replay
http://rapidshare.com/files/414282228/alex_vs_sid.SC2Replay
it's the same file, i just ULed for limitation issues.
the T loses as he didnt know about this thing, back then, and made nothing against Blings.

Btw i used it at least 30-40 times, and non of the terrans were shocked/surprised/outraged by it, ah, maybe 1 or 2, but still, you can understand how shocking is to see how ppl treat it as new. It's like roach unburrow from below of the T mech ball would be revolutionary now...
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
August 21 2010 17:27 GMT
#4864
On August 22 2010 02:26 dolpiff wrote:
anyway if the Terrans make splitted balls of stimmed marines instead of those thors i think it pretty much shut down any kind of muta agression doesnt it?

and i asked earlier but didnt ger response does flyer attack upgrade also increase the ricochet damage, or just the first glaive?


Banelings.
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
August 21 2010 17:27 GMT
#4865
On August 22 2010 02:11 Zinbiel wrote:
I feel bad when people compare idra to jaedong. Jaedong can micro 2 muta groups in sc1. Jaedong has killed entire proteams with his stare. Idra is winning against foreigners in sc2, while skilled, he is no jaedong.


So true. I'm sure Idra is enjoying his stay at top right now. But I think if any SC1 pro ... even lowly SC1 pro comes to play SC2 ... I don't think Idra will be on top anymore.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 21 2010 17:28 GMT
#4866
Should I say, "I told you so?"

We'll see how Morrow deals with this. IdrA has complained about Terran in the past, but his complaints have always been about the early game and the variety of strategies Terran is able to surprise the Zerg with, which Zerg is basically unable to deal with if they are denied scouting.

Notice what he never said: that any particular Terran strategy cannot be countered.
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
August 21 2010 17:29 GMT
#4867
Muahaha sweet terran tears ^^
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
August 21 2010 17:29 GMT
#4868
On August 22 2010 02:27 lac29 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2010 02:11 Zinbiel wrote:
I feel bad when people compare (T)IdrA to (Z)Jaedong. (Z)Jaedong can micro 2 muta groups in sc1. (Z)Jaedong has killed entire proteams with his stare. (T)IdrA is winning against foreigners in sc2, while skilled, he is no (Z)Jaedong.


So (Z)True. I'm sure (T)IdrA is enjoying his (Z)Stay at top right now. But I think if any SC1 pro ... even lowly SC1 pro comes to play SC2 ... I don't think (T)IdrA will be on top anymore.


"lowly" SC1 pro? (P)TesteR hello?
Seze
Profile Joined August 2010
42 Posts
August 21 2010 17:29 GMT
#4869
Thors not worth their cost and supply after today. Mark my w0rds.
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6105 Posts
August 21 2010 17:29 GMT
#4870
Idra vs Morrow will not be close imo.

Morrow looked very scrappy, while Idra dominated.
#1 Terran hater
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9035 Posts
August 21 2010 17:29 GMT
#4871
On August 22 2010 02:26 dolpiff wrote:
anyway if the Terrans make splitted balls of stimmed marines instead of those thors i think it pretty much shut down any kind of muta agression doesnt it?

and i asked earlier but didnt ger response does flyer attack upgrade also increase the ricochet damage, or just the first glaive?

+1 for first glaive, +0.3 for second, +0.1 for third.
dolpiff
Profile Joined June 2010
France300 Posts
August 21 2010 17:31 GMT
#4872
On August 22 2010 02:29 Garnet wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On August 22 2010 02:26 dolpiff wrote:
anyway if the Terrans make splitted balls of stimmed marines instead of those thors i think it pretty much shut down any kind of muta agression doesnt it?

and i asked earlier but didnt ger response does flyer attack upgrade also increase the ricochet damage, or just the first glaive?

+1 for first glaive, +0.3 for second, +0.1 for third.


so they get 40% more out of it than other units nice
tYsopz
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway215 Posts
August 21 2010 17:31 GMT
#4873
What now? Can't 5 Thors kill an infinite amount of zerg air units?!
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, ZERG NEEDS A NERF.

WILL the Terran have to respond to what the overpowered zerg is doing, or will he yet again emerge triumphant massing lowtier units?!

THE PLOT THICKENS, WHAT IS AND WHAT ISN'T TO BE DECIDED ON AUGUST 22TH.
"I'm going to send them to a far far distant place called Disneyland. Safe and sound at their own convenience, at the fastest and cheapest rate." - Lee Sung Eun
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
August 21 2010 17:31 GMT
#4874
Balls of stimmed marines is essentially what Morrow did against Dimaga. It didn't work so well so he switched to "reaper cheese," remember?
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
August 21 2010 17:31 GMT
#4875
So when do the Idra Tarson VOD's coming?
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
August 21 2010 17:32 GMT
#4876
On August 22 2010 02:26 teamsolid wrote:
Rofl, Terrans crying about when at least 2-3x the gas cost of thors get beat by mutas... The reason Tarson lost on Xel Naga was that he spent WAY too much money on hellions and too much gas on tanks. What he needed was a mix of marine/thor/hellion. Which might require the Terran to actually scout the Zerg army composition for once and adapt? Oh noes.

I've seen about 4 posts saying "LOL terran whining tehre were so many mutas thors shouldnt win" and 0 posts saying Mutas need a nerf. What the hell people?

Pretty interesting that no one picked up on that muta strategy/technique/magic box earlier though, I mean, while a few people knew about it you would've thought that it would spread like wildfire. Funny how things work sometimes, while a lot of players were whining about being unable to beat thors the information on how to was available on the most popular strategy site for SC2. Whoever said it was impossible for zerg to evolve (strategy wise) to beat a terran?
Blind86
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia30 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-21 17:35:48
August 21 2010 17:33 GMT
#4877
Re: SSQ (or wtvr) - just lol, my opinion is that you are bad at starcraft, but try really hard, get frustrated and take it out on forums. Btw, example of lack of constructivism. (someone needs to make a big "no trolls allowed" banner"

Re: Zelniq - I would think hunter seeker whilst not killing the mutas, would scare them away. This has its uses too, big 200/200 battle about to start, fire a few seekers and you dont have to worry about mutas for a small time (chain spam seekers lol). I dont think they are useless cause they can't kill, similar to mutas before "magic box" were still good transition cause it gave you map control, often times you can't harass, but it was threatening to move out.

TLDR: Got up to your post zelniq, now logging for bed
CruxSpoon!
Kurumi
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Poland6130 Posts
August 21 2010 17:33 GMT
#4878
I am scared that every ZvT will evolve into ling/bling/muta fest.
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Jimmeh
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United Kingdom908 Posts
August 21 2010 17:34 GMT
#4879
On August 22 2010 02:33 Blind86 wrote:
Re: Zelniq - I would think hunter seeker whilst not killing the mutas, would scare them away. This has its uses too, big 200/200 battle about to start, fire a few seekers and you dont have to worry about mutas for a small time (chain spam seekers lol). I dont think they are useless cause they can't kill, similar to mutas before "magic box" were still good transition cause it gave you map control, often times you can't harass, but it was threatening to move out.


Wouldn't PDD be better use then, if you just want to push them back? At least then you know they just can't come back immediately and deal damage.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
August 21 2010 17:35 GMT
#4880
are there morrow-dimaga vods anywhere? or when can i expect them to be posted? missed those games t-t
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
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