EPTHDH Invitational #1 - Page 109
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Therapist
United States97 Posts
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
On April 28 2010 10:41 Spork wrote: The VODs that have been released so far are nearly all very fast games  ((!Yeah, extremely one sided games. | ||
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. Yeah 50k subs x 2 can't be right huh? Troll. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:11 AlgeriaT wrote: Yeah 50k subs x 2 can't be right huh? Troll. You're confusing prolificacy with proficiency. | ||
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See.Blue
United States2673 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players talking shit about things they should just sit back and be thankful for ..but even in that light this is 'just fail.' The tournament should be something for us to all just enjoy for its own sake, not bitched about by forum-goers or others who seem to know very little about the game. As mentioned before, some people just bitch because they're too spoiled. I hope to see all people who complain about useless things in events that are being done out of charity for the community get hit by a bus in the future, they should probably just sit back and enjoy the show led by competent starcraft gamers. | ||
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RogerChillingworth
2870 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. I'd hate to sink to your level, but you really don't know what you're talking about ;\ I'm as big a fan of Day9 and Tasteless as the next person, but these aren't random youtube commentators who know nothing about the game. Do a little more research before forming such incriminating opinions. Remember, too, that this is the first of many tournaments. HD and Husky, from what I've observed, respond well to the community and take their opinions into consideration (if stated intelligently and respectfully  ). They've already mentioned that they're looking into guest commentators, I assume for the semi-finals and finals (or whenever the opportunity presents itself). And any rational conjecture would have it that Day9/Tasteless are prime candidates for the co-commentating. Also, if you'd like Day9 and/or Tasteless to host tournaments, show your support to them. It'd return better results, I can guarantee, than a disjointed paragraph about how your needs aren't being met for this tournament, specifically. Given the players involved, the prize pool and the implied tournaments-to-be (HDH Invitational #1), results are sure to garner default success as well as improve over time. | ||
NonY
8748 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. --casting replays makes it easier for the players and prevents cheating (the emotion of the casters makes it easy to forget it's not live anyway) --commentary isn't advanced analysis. commentators can get the job done without being extremely knowledgeable. their main job is to help people who have no idea what's going on. if you are a pretty dedicated fan, which is almost everyone on tl.net, then you shouldnt expect much in the way of strategic enlightenment from commentaries. luckily, advanced analysis pops up in other places: articles, day9 daily, etc. you should consider yourself lucky to get people more knowledgeable than you commentating. i havent had that for a while. and in korea, when i watched starcraft with my estro teammates, it seemed like we could never get through a whole cast without some people bursting out laughing at some ridiculous thing a commentator would say. --i was invited because of popularity. anyway, not all tournaments draw crowds because they feature the best of the best. there are other ways to run a good tournament. at this stage of sc2, there's nothing wrong with a tournament like this popping up. it certainly isn't lacking skill. i really doubt any of the "skilled" players who didnt get invited would have won it, anyway. --people have to start somewhere. if hdh invitational #5 is a piece of shit, maybe you can start giving them a hard time. yeah, i don't like that they didn't randomize the bracket. as a player, that's my business. but i see how it is, and it's not so bad. | ||
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Therapist
United States97 Posts
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bountyface
United States95 Posts
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:16 Jyvblamo wrote: You're confusing prolificacy with proficiency. Nice, did you learn some tricky new words in school today? HDH wouldn't be massively popular if they weren't very proficient commentators. Which, as NonY points out, does not mean they have to possess the deepest knowledge of everyone out there. Their job is to make the matches as entertaining as possible, which they simply excel at. Hence the large number of subs. Anyway, if you don't like what they do then just don't watch their streams/vods. No need to shit up the thread with your negativity. I'm sure there will be plenty of tournaments with less entertaining but more "proficient" commentary for you to watch. | ||
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Balor
United States147 Posts
I think some over the more favored players were given easier match-ups, which of course is all relative since every player in this tournament has exceptional skill, and almost all are at the top of their platinum division. Of course RO16 did have some good matches, Moonglade vs Nony was amazing to watch, I believe Nony taught us all a lesson in phoenix micro. I'm very excited for the rest of RO16, in particular, Tasteless v Day9. I'm very surprised that almost everyone has picked TLO to win vs CauthonLuck in R08, as CauthonLuck 4-0'ed TLO in MLG. Although, personally I am rooting for TLO, as all CauthonLuck did in all 4 games was marauder spam (still OP in my opinion, but thats for another thread). Also cant wait for the assumed Idra vs (Nazgul/Nony) match-up, all these players are exceptionally strong macro players, and usually play macro, offering some potentially epic games to come =), However just to get there Idra needs to beat ret, and as we know most ZvZ games these days can end very abruptly with bling/zling openers (imo this is ret's best shot at a win). Overall, this was very well put together, despite the livestream hiccups, cant wait for 1pm EST tomorrow, go TLO, and go HD and Husky! | ||
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Aether
Canada123 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. Well you're free to spend probably dozens of hours of your time to organize a tournament, find sponsors, shoutcast all of the matches, fraps and upload them for absolutely no personal gain if you think you can do better. Otherwise you should probably stop talking. | ||
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automocc
United States40 Posts
Keep up to good work HD and Husky. =] | ||
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Wargizmo
Australia1237 Posts
Can't believe some people are criticizing this tournament because some of the first round matches were one sided. Have you ever seen the first round of a tennis tournament? if the brackets are set up well the first round is supposed to be one sided so the stronger players meet each other in the later rounds. Personally I don't mind seeing one sided match ups, it's often easy to forget what makes great players stand out from good players when you're seeing them bash up on average players on livestream and in vods all the time, but this tournament really shows why people like WhiteRa have the reputations that they do. | ||
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Crixus
Canada110 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. Just cuz they're not on the level of day9 or tasteless is no reason why they can't hold a tournament! I'm not that great at the game but i do share some disappointment with the commentary when it came to Whitera vs Jinro. Commentators were surprised about the whitera's warp ray's, to point where they were almost reprimanding him cuz it was PvT (whitera normal build against terran is warp ray). Jinro did his homework and made the counter by going heavy on marines. But the commentators did not recognize it, and were just further surprised by the reactor. Then admonishing the tank tech cuz it don't counter warp rays... well what else was he going to do? go straight vikings? he already has tons of marines! geez (lol kinda getting side tracked) anyway this tourney gives me another chance to see whitera in action and for that i'm grateful | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
I think they are doing a great job all around. | ||
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Spork
United States35 Posts
Game Spoiling comments if you have yet to watch below. + Show Spoiler + Nazgul was very dominant, and I was a bit disappointed with I think Jinro(?) who lost to void rays twice, the second game he knew it was coming and must not have known that Thor's aren't very effective against Void Ray's, better to learn in the beta:D! | ||
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cerebralz
United States443 Posts
I loved the matchups in this tournament because they were meant to cause stir in the community and get more people to watch. I think 8k people watching the livestream is pretty darn good. In the future, there could probably be "normal" tournament seeding, or even public poll seeding, but these are the games the people by and large wanted to see, even if they were largely one sided or short in the Ro16. All in all, you still have the best players in the pool looking to advance to the semi's as if they were the top seeds, so imo, there's not a lot to complain about. The most important thing about this tournament is that it gains popularity so we can have more and more. I can see further down the road maybe inviting a Ro64 tournament inviting the top players from Platinum, with the first round maybe not being casted. Thinking of that though, it would be killer for all the people with great livestreams could feed the different matches like the NCAA tournament is on tv. | ||
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stork4ever
United States1036 Posts
On April 28 2010 11:01 Therapist wrote: Don't get me wrong, I respect the old tradition of bad players creating tournaments for top players to play in ..but this is just fail. The games should've been casted live, not by gold league players, but by day9, tasteless, or anyone else who knows the game. As mentioned before, some players were put in this tournament because of popularity, not skill. I hope to see more tournaments like this in the future, but they should be led by competent starcraft gamers, not random youtube commentators. I dont see anythng wrong with random youtube commentators. Nukethestars in one of his video says that his job wasnt to point out some super gosu trick or strat. He wanted to make it like you were watching the game with a friend and enjoying a game. Throw some stats in along with random tangents and its a lot of fun for everyone. go nuke =) I followed the sc scene via youtube for a long time and I think veryone here enjoy the fun of waking up at 2 am to watch the OSL finals casted live by diggity, moletrap, klazart, cholera, and others. Thanks to Husky and HD for doing this tournament, I've been following them on youtube for since they started and I still look forward to their videos everyday! | ||
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johnnybrav0
United States61 Posts
Great job, I watch all of your YouTube videos and love your commentary. Also, the technical difficulties on Sunday sucked, but it ended up working out nicely. Keep up the good work. | ||
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