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Yesterday I gave it a try to 1v1 after 6 years of pause.
What I did in the meantime:
- watch online tournaments (I did it for years)
- watch live streaming and tutorials from pro players (like BeastyQt and others)
I remember the ladder as if it was yesterday. For me, it was really hard to beat Bronze 1. It felt like I was in a different league (maybe wood).
Yesterday I played 28 games (~6h), from which:
- 2 instaleave
- 2 wins (players were way worst than me)
- all the other games: I played against Dia, Plat and Gold almost constantly. Only a few games were against Silver.
After yesterday, I thought that today will be the big day. I played again. I got Plat.
Do I need to play hundred of games to have the opponent closest to my league? I don’t think I can play hundred of loss games. It's just depressing.
What am I missing?
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Were you playing unranked ? I reinstalled recently since I got the fiber. I created a new account and reached diamond 1 with P after ten games or so, after which I wanted to try to play some Z for fun. So I tried to play Z unranked. And all I got were diamond 1 / masters players, even after 5 losses. I didn't insist but maybe the problem lies here (are/were you diamond / plat in team games ?).
If you were playing ranked I have no idea.
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I played ranked. This is my profile https://starcraft2.com/en-us/profile/2/1/2576787.
A few years back I played team games. I got carried by a friend a lot. We played against masters in 2v2.
I was thinking that maybe APM has something to do with the discrepancies. For the moment I have it 60+. The MM algo thinks I can be diamond or something similar. I don't know.
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Throughout the past years the caps of the leagues went down.
Like, 4 years ago Diamond 2 MMR is in today's Masters MMR range.
In other words, the indication of the leagues aren't as what they were several years ago. Perhaps the free to play had something to do with it with a lot more accounts which make 25% of the accounts be a way larger number then what it was 4 years ago, lowering the MMR cap for Diamond. Same for Plat and Gold.
Just treat it as if you play opponents of the same level as you, even if you aren't used to them having league borders as high as you get now.
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Yeah, the leagues have changed a lot. Just play and enjoy it. It takes some time for the MMR to settle down, then you'll face opponents on your skill level.
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Youngest people love to see how strong they are, and Blizzard didn t change his ladder since 10 years... I m not surprised if you find it a bit messy. still 7 leagues !? do they really need to be ranked as diamond ?
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sry to hijack this here
so i actually tried sc2 again today. i kinda dont know what to build but unranked seems weird.
was high master back in the day, before gm was there. But wheres a good stating point for now, dont wanna watch hundreds of hours of videos to get a grip of strategy right now.
€ apparently my last post here is from 2012  that must have been around the time i last played
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On August 13 2020 06:35 oOa)sInNeR wrote:sry to hijack this here so i actually tried sc2 again today. i kinda dont know what to build but unranked seems weird. was high master back in the day, before gm was there. But wheres a good stating point for now, dont wanna watch hundreds of hours of videos to get a grip of strategy right now. € apparently my last post here is from 2012 that must have been around the time i last played
Welcome back! Try spawningtool.com for builds. And check Lowko/PiG/Harstem (and many others that I forget) for content that is both fun and useful.
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I have heard this from other people too. As bad a solution as this is for the general ecosystem, at this point I recommend instaleaving for a bit until you get to a more reasonable mmr. I'm sick of people finally trying starcraft after years of being intimidated because the game is too hard only to quickly leave when their fears are proved right. I don't care if you are masters or gold level, you should be winning about half of your games! If, in order to reach a place where you can actually enjoy the game you need to throw a few, I think that's totally worth it.
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You're probably a plat player. I don't think the average gold player (let alone silver or bronze) has 6 years of watching the game and all the game sense that comes with it.
The ladder was different 6 years ago, lots of players that had been around since launch, maybe even beta. Lots of players had tuned in to day9 tutorials and all the other content. There's not so much easily digested content like that today, and you've also got a lot of f2p players coming in that may or may not have a rts background.
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When you start fresh account MMR is going crazy in first 50ish~ games. You can see it under "Provisional mmr".
After the dust settles, you MMR will be decided based on score, toughness of your opponent, etc.
Ladder is definately hard these days but considering a fact you are gold after 6 years pause means you are good for starters. If I recall correctly you werent playing LotV at all, mechanics are different in this expansion, plystyle and metas changes week to week.
If you had your MMR borderline before, you can start fresh account until you are placed in league which suits your current skill.
Play 20 more games and that should be it!
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I guess it depends on your state of mind. I love playing and losing against people who are better than me. You can immediately see where the flaws in your game / BO are.
When you beat someone who is better than you, most of the time you don’t learn anything at all so it’s not a very productive use of your practise time.
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So I think your league is mostly based on your first 5 games. Then your mmr is a more accurate representation.
I had two friends who 5-0ed placements including beating a masters team and got put in masters, but then began a losing stream. The result is they had high platinum MMR, but were still technically ranked Masters.
They same thing might be going on with you.
The ladder should even things up for you eventually. I suspect you did well in your first 5 matches and got ranked too high and you have been overly challenged since.
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If you've left a game on pause for 6 years, I'd say it's time to just unpause the game, because I don't think your opponent is coming back to his computer. The only reasonable amount of time I'd ever keep a game paused is one year, maximum. After that, I will definitely unpause and win the game, and if he wants to report it, fine.
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On August 17 2020 17:24 ninazerg wrote:
If you've left a game on pause for 6 years, I'd say it's time to just unpause the game, because I don't think your opponent is coming back to his computer. The only reasonable amount of time I'd ever keep a game paused is one year, maximum. After that, I will definitely unpause and win the game, and if he wants to report it, fine.
10/10 post
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On August 10 2020 17:05 LittleOne2nd wrote:
Yesterday I gave it a try to 1v1 after 6 years of pause.
What I did in the meantime:
- watch online tournaments (I did it for years)
- watch live streaming and tutorials from pro players (like BeastyQt and others)
I remember the ladder as if it was yesterday. For me, it was really hard to beat Bronze 1. It felt like I was in a different league (maybe wood).
Yesterday I played 28 games (~6h), from which:
- 2 instaleave
- 2 wins (players were way worst than me)
- all the other games: I played against Dia, Plat and Gold almost constantly. Only a few games were against Silver.
After yesterday, I thought that today will be the big day. I played again. I got Plat.
Do I need to play hundred of games to have the opponent closest to my league? I don’t think I can play hundred of loss games. It's just depressing.
What am I missing?
considering you just came back, did you use proper builds or just did whatever? i would guess you wouldnt have a problem if you used optimized build order, i just came back myself and honestly most important thing is build order, since then you can focus more on actually game tactics and strategy instead of thinking what to build next.
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Post some replays if you are looking for advice
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On August 17 2020 17:24 ninazerg wrote:
If you've left a game on pause for 6 years, I'd say it's time to just unpause the game, because I don't think your opponent is coming back to his computer. The only reasonable amount of time I'd ever keep a game paused is one year, maximum. After that, I will definitely unpause and win the game, and if he wants to report it, fine.
This is sound advice.
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On August 10 2020 17:05 LittleOne2nd wrote:
Yesterday I gave it a try to 1v1 after 6 years of pause.
What I did in the meantime:
- watch online tournaments (I did it for years)
- watch live streaming and tutorials from pro players (like BeastyQt and others)
I remember the ladder as if it was yesterday. For me, it was really hard to beat Bronze 1. It felt like I was in a different league (maybe wood).
Yesterday I played 28 games (~6h), from which:
- 2 instaleave
- 2 wins (players were way worst than me)
- all the other games: I played against Dia, Plat and Gold almost constantly. Only a few games were against Silver.
After yesterday, I thought that today will be the big day. I played again. I got Plat.
Do I need to play hundred of games to have the opponent closest to my league? I don’t think I can play hundred of loss games. It's just depressing.
What am I missing?
just insta leave 50times in row, if you think you are getting to strong opponents, pretty simple
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On August 18 2020 05:30 starkiller123 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2020 17:24 ninazerg wrote:
If you've left a game on pause for 6 years, I'd say it's time to just unpause the game, because I don't think your opponent is coming back to his computer. The only reasonable amount of time I'd ever keep a game paused is one year, maximum. After that, I will definitely unpause and win the game, and if he wants to report it, fine. 10/10 post
Well, that's kind of how you know that BW players are weirders than SC2 ones.
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