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HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
November 23 2016 00:56 GMT
#941
so with new patch - if Adept goes to top of ramp that is blocked it can only see the 3 or so buildings of the wall? nothing else in the base?
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
November 23 2016 07:48 GMT
#942
On November 23 2016 09:56 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
so with new patch - if Adept goes to top of ramp that is blocked it can only see the 3 or so buildings of the wall? nothing else in the base?

i believe so. the sight range of the adept is now 2, which is almost melee range
$O$ | soO
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 07:04:29
November 25 2016 07:03 GMT
#943
So any thoughts after the patch? Vs. mech experience anyone, cyclones in particular? I'm asking because i've played some pvt vs tanks/hellions and didnt' really notice any difference (archon/immortal destroy that as always), but people are whining about early game cyclones smashing stalkers. I can imagine. But is it THAT bad?

As for pvz i'm glad hydras and banes are not that scary as i thought. But my 2-base allins definetely became worse (if even viable) with 7 range hydras. Well, anyways, macro is the way.
Less is more.
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
November 26 2016 19:44 GMT
#944
On November 25 2016 16:03 insitelol wrote:


As for pvz i'm glad hydras and banes are not that scary as i thought. But my 2-base allins definetely became worse (if even viable) with 7 range hydras. Well, anyways, macro is the way.


Can we switch lives? I find Zerg unbeatable right now. Before the patch it was my best matchup...
GaliX
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany380 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-27 00:30:56
November 26 2016 23:55 GMT
#945
On November 27 2016 04:44 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Can we switch lives? I find Zerg unbeatable right now. Before the patch it was my best matchup...



my PvZ was pretty bad before the patch... If I was able to harass enough to get to 3 base I had a good chance to win.


Now Zerg just crawl up with 200 supply hydra ling and the game is over.... It's pretty broken to me. Even if you get very fast Colossi and micro your best with force-fields it's almost impossible to hold a 3rd since you most likely won't even have colossi rang.... no matter how good your harass was as long as it was not game ending, I lost to every game I played the last couple days against zerg....
If you go for disrupters it's even worse... Either you hit your 2 balls because zerg doesn't move at all or you auto lose the game.


I guess I won't even touch starcraft anymore until they find a real balance... I really wish I could just keep playing HotS instead of this LotV cluster f.... There are so many things I dislike right now in LotV it's just awful.

and I have way over 6k games played always as master overall. Very few in LotV thought it's just no fun as a player anymore.



Seems like the only way to win is carrier rush against a good zerg right now... Every other build simply gets crushed on high levels.
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
November 27 2016 01:25 GMT
#946
On November 27 2016 08:55 GaliX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2016 04:44 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
Can we switch lives? I find Zerg unbeatable right now. Before the patch it was my best matchup...



my PvZ was pretty bad before the patch... If I was able to harass enough to get to 3 base I had a good chance to win.


Now Zerg just crawl up with 200 supply hydra ling and the game is over.... It's pretty broken to me. Even if you get very fast Colossi and micro your best with force-fields it's almost impossible to hold a 3rd since you most likely won't even have colossi rang.... no matter how good your harass was as long as it was not game ending, I lost to every game I played the last couple days against zerg....
If you go for disrupters it's even worse... Either you hit your 2 balls because zerg doesn't move at all or you auto lose the game.


I guess I won't even touch starcraft anymore until they find a real balance... I really wish I could just keep playing HotS instead of this LotV cluster f.... There are so many things I dislike right now in LotV it's just awful.

and I have way over 6k games played always as master overall. Very few in LotV thought it's just no fun as a player anymore.



Seems like the only way to win is carrier rush against a good zerg right now... Every other build simply gets crushed on high levels.


The most depressing part is, this is not a map pool issue either. It's just balance. I mean what is the point of making adepts anymore?
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States766 Posts
November 28 2016 01:44 GMT
#947
Another thing to add to this list: Ravens are basically invincible now right?
Odowan Paleolithic
Profile Blog Joined May 2013
United States232 Posts
November 28 2016 22:04 GMT
#948
As a protoss rushing carriers since HOTS I say the patch makes my life a bit easier. (it all comes down to macro)
I need a bigger fridge. I cannot hold all the Cheese that are given to me.
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 01 2016 07:34 GMT
#949
Yep, it seems i was horribly wrong about hydra. They melt everything and its not even funny. Like any toss ground force seems useless. Even if you manage to somehow counter pure hudra, there are still mass-ravager/banelings threat. Not like it was easy before the patch, but now it's just ridiculous. What am i supposed to do on the ground? There are literally 0 options left. It was a period when dt/archon-prism build worked really well, but now they adapted. Plus with adepts threat reduced to nothing, there is NO other build that meant to harras into macro. Every zerg knows that and counter it perfectly. If you think about it, zerg is ridiculously overpowered now. Queens and hydra range? It is really supposed to work that way? Super safe early game/super strong mid/late game comps. I tried air and it worked pretty fine but air is boring.
Less is more.
iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
December 01 2016 08:49 GMT
#950
On December 01 2016 16:34 insitelol wrote:
Yep, it seems i was horribly wrong about hydra. They melt everything and its not even funny. Like any toss ground force seems useless. Even if you manage to somehow counter pure hudra, there are still mass-ravager/banelings threat. Not like it was easy before the patch, but now it's just ridiculous. What am i supposed to do on the ground? There are literally 0 options left. It was a period when dt/archon-prism build worked really well, but now they adapted. Plus with adepts threat reduced to nothing, there is NO other build that meant to harras into macro. Every zerg knows that and counter it perfectly. If you think about it, zerg is ridiculously overpowered now. Queens and hydra range? It is really supposed to work that way? Super safe early game/super strong mid/late game comps. I tried air and it worked pretty fine but air is boring.

you can try doing what PiG is experimenting with.



I've had some medium to good success with it, and I'm just replicating the composition he's using, not even the actual build. Also, it's definitely possible to just improve your mechanics, macro, and multitasking. Taking the defeatist attitude won't help your game. The only thing you can do is improve your gameplay-you can't change how blizzard or the game is going to be designed.
$O$ | soO
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-01 10:53:42
December 01 2016 10:53 GMT
#951
Well, i guess i would give it a try, thanks.
Less is more.
Hyper1
Profile Joined December 2015
158 Posts
December 02 2016 05:34 GMT
#952
I've heard a lot of talk about carriers. Did the change to auto-casting and reduced cost of interceptors really make them that much more powerful? My problem was never the cost of the interceptors but how quickly and easily they're killed.
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 02 2016 08:08 GMT
#953
Airtoss works pretty fine vs zerg, if you manage to build at least 8-10. 3 base are more than enough for that. The thing with reduced interceptor cost is that you can easily retreat and remax on interceptors now w/o completely draining you mineral bank. That helps A LOT.
Less is more.
SnakeDoctor
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland121 Posts
December 04 2016 09:48 GMT
#954
Whats the mid game composition I should get to vs mech? Stalkers with couple of immortals get massacred by tanks + support.
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-12-04 15:37:13
December 04 2016 15:14 GMT
#955
On December 04 2016 18:48 SnakeDoctor wrote:
Whats the mid game composition I should get to vs mech? Stalkers with couple of immortals get massacred by tanks + support.


Disruptors are pretty freaking good against slow armies like mech. Even better if he dares to make mines.
With immortals your army is too clunky and getting in range of anything means 70 damage tank shots.
You can do fine with a mix of stalkers, disruptors, oracles and HTs.
As your composition gets more and more expensive you probably won't be able to afford stalkers anymore so chargelots replace them.
Composition all depends on what kind of mech you're facing, no need for HTs if no ravens/banshees.

Obviously this requires an insane amount of micro, forcing the mech player to reposition all the time, but the guy literally can't push out because of disruptors so it's fine if your macro slips up more than usual.
Revelation is key even without tempests because it makes your opponents insecure and less likely to move out, while allowing you to attack where his defense is weakest.
It also means if he tries to reposition to defend, you can immediatly punish him with disruptors and feedbacks/storms.

The goal lategame used to be tempest revelation storm disruptor, but with 6 supply and 8 ground range, i'm not sure they are worth the investment anymore. Now i think you should only make 6 tempests if liberators, and not mass them blindly.

As always though vs mech, never sit at home, expand faster, deny his expands, don't take unfavorable trades, keep being mobile.
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CrimsonIce
Profile Joined December 2016
1 Post
December 05 2016 21:34 GMT
#956
I was wondering how I should interpret scouts, that seems to be one of the only things holding me back atm, I am currently silver, and I can't really see what scouts mean more than half of the time, please help!
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
December 07 2016 19:12 GMT
#957
On December 06 2016 06:34 CrimsonIce wrote:
I was wondering how I should interpret scouts, that seems to be one of the only things holding me back atm, I am currently silver, and I can't really see what scouts mean more than half of the time, please help!


To be honest I am not sure how useful scouting can be in silver league because your opponent will most likely mess up his opener and timing, so getting an accurate read would be pretty difficult. I think you just need to check that he is not cheesing and focus on executing the BO you are most comfortable with for now.
insitelol
Profile Joined August 2012
845 Posts
December 09 2016 08:25 GMT
#958
Congratulations everyone on hydra nerf.
Less is more.
Hyper1
Profile Joined December 2015
158 Posts
December 10 2016 04:15 GMT
#959
On December 08 2016 04:12 PPN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2016 06:34 CrimsonIce wrote:
I was wondering how I should interpret scouts, that seems to be one of the only things holding me back atm, I am currently silver, and I can't really see what scouts mean more than half of the time, please help!


To be honest I am not sure how useful scouting can be in silver league because your opponent will most likely mess up his opener and timing, so getting an accurate read would be pretty difficult. I think you just need to check that he is not cheesing and focus on executing the BO you are most comfortable with for now.


I'm pretty sure in silver all you really need to scout is army comp and when he moves out. Checking timings won't work well because they likely don't have their timings down.
GreenGoblin
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany7 Posts
December 12 2016 15:39 GMT
#960
Hi, quick question: Do mines oneshot phoenix?
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