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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
On December 21 2019 04:18 Solio wrote: does someone know how to defend this : https://drop.sc/replay/12658023 ? A part of me died a little just by watching the details of the replay on drop.sc directly. I'm quite happy that I do not play PvP (I'm Zerg), and I can only say that I'm sorry for you :x | ||
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ZeKk32
4 Posts
On December 19 2019 09:15 Solio wrote: How to defend a 12 pool but with a proxy hatchery that prevents you from walling, i have tried to chronoboost 2 zealots and pull 6 probes i'm able to barely win the fight but then more lings come and i die. image of the zerg build : ![[image loading]](https://zupimages.net/up/19/51/wzmm.png) Should i try to build a wall behind the hatch or should i try to pull more probes ? You should complete the wall immediatly whence you scout the 12 pool to prevent this from evening happen. | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
A) Generally: - for instance I am unsure on probe production , if you really need that constantly, because of chrono boost giving a similiar dynamic as with zerg economy (but less extreme). and also of course you want a (new) nexus for your probes to harvest minerals from... So maybe you can share some knowledge about how the economic/army flow works perfectly? - Regarding that, I know of either timings or reactive play and alot of scouting... - what are key things to look at? - any tips welcome  B) If not being able to scout for the moment, wanting to optimize army/economic growth at the same time. ? Maybe a fitting game dymaic question would be: What ought to go first? - Building a Probe on unsaturated base? (like 10 to 13) - Or a New nexus? (When you can defend it/yourself of course) That question comes often, when building an FE for instance. - A faster probe will give you income earlier. - A faster nexus will give you another probe production center quicker. You could apply the same question to Terran's: CC first or OC transformation first? (here everyone does the OC first... offtopic) | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
United Kingdom7084 Posts
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david0925
212 Posts
In theory, Phoenix have 180 effective hp, they do 20 per attack to light units, so that means 9 phoenix will one shot a phoenix. Does this mean that I should be boxing 9 phoenixes to have them attack one phoenix to one shot them to reduce their numbers quickly, or is it better just Move them so they just attack as soon as they can to maximize overall damage output? | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
a pro gamer does most things right, it's not helping me with a priority list, also they have different reasonings on why they do what.. which even some commentators don't know about. The general order is of course useful, but on that very strategy, you answered to the example, the example is just to make my point clear. Thanks for the idea. @dav I'm not sure, I'd recommend - because those units are extremly flimsy - to prioritize being in optimal range with all your phoenix. Boxing and individual targeting is really difficult when the enemy is controlling units that fire while moving, so that could backfire alot. You will often just hit what is in range some are already damaged etc etc. If anything several hotkeys (not boxing), but again Imo that's unpractical as some of your phoenix will die durig the fight, there is no way you can regroup them quickly enough. These thigns are nice ideas, but in sc2 it is often unpractical, I think it is only done in stalker vs stalker wars. You could try several fights in the lotv unit tester! (you can do the auto-fight or you can play vs a friend) and try around. | ||
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Kertorak
125 Posts
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Aesto
44 Posts
Watching pro replays is good advice because it gives you a frame of reference for roughly what you should have at a given point in time. Knowing how many Probes to have requires a feeling for the game, and watching replays helps with that. That being said, another good reference is your opponent (if you check after the game). If you're playing macro games, you should generally be aiming to be about 5 Probes ahead against Terran, about 5 Probes ahead against Zerg until about 40 Probes, after that his econ kicks in and you'll be 5-10 Probes behind. In PvP it's harder to say because the matchup is so volatile. If you're too far ahead you might have to sacrifice some in order not to die. Making workers when you don't have bases to put them in is something you almost never do in SC2, and especially not as Protoss (only if someone contains you). You make one base, saturate it, and then perhaps you make the next. Against Terran you should aim to be making your 3rd (and any more bases) a bit earlier than him, against Zerg you should aim to not be more than 1 base behind, and against Protoss it's again really hard to explain. As for Chronoboost - it's not really comparable to the Zerg economy because you can also spend it on upgrades and units. There is no "correct" chrono use, while injecting is just required to not be bad. As a general rule, use it on workers until you have about 40, after that, on upgrades. Use it on units if you really need them asap. Also boost your first gateway unit (which you usually use to scout). Watching pro replays is an excellent source of information on what to Chronoboost. And yes, unless there is a reason not to (incoming timing attack), you should be constantly making probes until saturation. @david0925: You don't micro Phoenix wars. All that matters is 1) how many Phoenix you have compared to your opponent, 2) where your Phoenix are on the map (no use in being up 1-2 Phoenix if they're just leaving your base if the rest of your fleet is in your opponent's base), and 3) whether either player has Phoenix range. Besides not fighting over your opponent's Shield Batteries/Cannons, there is no micro involved. | ||
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
I am noob, please help lol | ||
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insitelol
845 Posts
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TentativePanda
United States800 Posts
On January 14 2020 15:07 insitelol wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XV4YfKu5E My Protoss MMR thanks you | ||
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BabelFish1
186 Posts
On January 08 2020 11:26 Aesto wrote: @Kertorak: Watching pro replays is good advice because it gives you a frame of reference for roughly what you should have at a given point in time. Knowing how many Probes to have requires a feeling for the game, and watching replays helps with that. That being said, another good reference is your opponent (if you check after the game). If you're playing macro games, you should generally be aiming to be about 5 Probes ahead against Terran, about 5 Probes ahead against Zerg until about 40 Probes, after that his econ kicks in and you'll be 5-10 Probes behind. In PvP it's harder to say because the matchup is so volatile. If you're too far ahead you might have to sacrifice some in order not to die. Making workers when you don't have bases to put them in is something you almost never do in SC2, and especially not as Protoss (only if someone contains you). You make one base, saturate it, and then perhaps you make the next. Against Terran you should aim to be making your 3rd (and any more bases) a bit earlier than him, against Zerg you should aim to not be more than 1 base behind, and against Protoss it's again really hard to explain. As for Chronoboost - it's not really comparable to the Zerg economy because you can also spend it on upgrades and units. There is no "correct" chrono use, while injecting is just required to not be bad. As a general rule, use it on workers until you have about 40, after that, on upgrades. Use it on units if you really need them asap. Also boost your first gateway unit (which you usually use to scout). Watching pro replays is an excellent source of information on what to Chronoboost. And yes, unless there is a reason not to (incoming timing attack), you should be constantly making probes until saturation. @david0925: You don't micro Phoenix wars. All that matters is 1) how many Phoenix you have compared to your opponent, 2) where your Phoenix are on the map (no use in being up 1-2 Phoenix if they're just leaving your base if the rest of your fleet is in your opponent's base), and 3) whether either player has Phoenix range. Besides not fighting over your opponent's Shield Batteries/Cannons, there is no micro involved. Just to add to this, a common mistake Protoss players make is stopping probe production. It doesn't matter if you have 21/16 on your mineral line. You can transfer them as soon as a Nexi finishes or start long range mining as a base finishes. Thank PIG and AlphaStar for that bit of goodness, not an original thought from me. | ||
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BabelFish1
186 Posts
On January 14 2020 15:07 insitelol wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5XV4YfKu5E This is one of the most important things a new player can do. Rapid Fire is integral to high level play for all races. And don't worry about rapid fire plus certain spells not working correctly, throw all the applicable spells/warp gate units on rapid fire and if you run into issues like with Force Field, cast it as per normal. I mean I have storm on rapid fire...doesn't mean I rapid fire cast storm...it just means I can if I choose to. | ||
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