• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:22
CEST 08:22
KST 15:22
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview9[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt2: Take-Off7[ASL20] Ro24 Preview Pt1: Runway132v2 & SC: Evo Complete: Weekend Double Feature4Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy9
Community News
Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw?25Weekly Cups (Aug 18-24): herO dethrones MaxPax6Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris46Weekly Cups (Aug 11-17): MaxPax triples again!15Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6
StarCraft 2
General
Speculation of future Wardii series Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Geoff 'iNcontroL' Robinson has passed away #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Maestros of the Game: Week 1/Play-in Preview
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Maestros of The Game—$20k event w/ live finals in Paris Monday Nights Weeklies LiuLi Cup - September 2025 Tournaments 🏆 GTL Season 2 – StarCraft II Team League
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 489 Bannable Offense Mutation # 488 What Goes Around Mutation # 487 Think Fast Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies
Brood War
General
No Rain in ASL20? ASL20 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Starcraft at lower levels TvP
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Is there English video for group selection for ASL [ASL20] Ro24 Group F [IPSL] CSLAN Review and CSLPRO Reimagined!
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Muta micro map competition Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Mechabellum Teeworlds - online game
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The Happy Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread High temperatures on bridge(s) Gtx660 graphics card replacement
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale
Blogs
A very expensive lesson on ma…
Garnet
hello world
radishsoup
Lemme tell you a thing o…
JoinTheRain
How Culture and Conflict Imp…
TrAiDoS
RTS Design in Hypercoven
a11
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
INDEPENDIENTE LA CTM
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 676 users

The LotV Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 74

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 72 73 74 75 Next
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 06:06:23
August 25 2019 06:05 GMT
#1461
On August 25 2019 07:39 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 05:05 ZeKk84 wrote:
On August 23 2019 02:18 ArtyK wrote:


You want mass tempests and the key is to save recalls to teleport away whenever they try to jump on you. Other than that just keep chipping away at one BC at a time with superior range.



A good terran will making thors with high impact load to counter tempest. Then it all get alot more complicated. Usually terran has a mix of the 2 and tanks, and other things. I dont know how to deal with mech and especially this type.



Have some immortals below then

edit : wth is wrong with quotes


You accidentally deleted one of the [s so it broke the HTML
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3143 Posts
August 25 2019 09:44 GMT
#1462
On August 25 2019 15:05 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 07:39 ArtyK wrote:
On August 25 2019 05:05 ZeKk84 wrote:
On August 23 2019 02:18 ArtyK wrote:


You want mass tempests and the key is to save recalls to teleport away whenever they try to jump on you. Other than that just keep chipping away at one BC at a time with superior range.



A good terran will making thors with high impact load to counter tempest. Then it all get alot more complicated. Usually terran has a mix of the 2 and tanks, and other things. I dont know how to deal with mech and especially this type.



Have some immortals below then

edit : wth is wrong with quotes


You accidentally deleted one of the [s so it broke the HTML


Nope, I simply clicked on quote as usual. I wouldn't even have asked if it didn't happen to the person right before me too ^^
Sup dood ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ KiWiKaKi | SLush | uThermal | PtitDrogo | SortOf | Clem ~ "I told my mom she should vote for me in Nation Wars, she said 'I dunno, I kinda want Finland to win'" – Luolis ~ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_NScWV9h8k#t=1h01m
TL+ Member
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 12:33:26
August 25 2019 12:32 GMT
#1463
On August 25 2019 18:44 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 15:05 Olli wrote:
On August 25 2019 07:39 ArtyK wrote:
On August 25 2019 05:05 ZeKk84 wrote:
On August 23 2019 02:18 ArtyK wrote:


You want mass tempests and the key is to save recalls to teleport away whenever they try to jump on you. Other than that just keep chipping away at one BC at a time with superior range.



A good terran will making thors with high impact load to counter tempest. Then it all get alot more complicated. Usually terran has a mix of the 2 and tanks, and other things. I dont know how to deal with mech and especially this type.



Have some immortals below then

edit : wth is wrong with quotes


You accidentally deleted one of the [s so it broke the HTML


Nope, I simply clicked on quote as usual. I wouldn't even have asked if it didn't happen to the person right before me too ^^


Ah, then it's because you quoted their broken post (missing a [ )! I've fixed both now.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
October 18 2019 09:16 GMT
#1464
I need help in pvz, especially in the scouting department. From watching Harstem on youtube, i know the number of geysirs zerg takes is very important to identifying an all-in. But what if they take full saturation and play macro with composition switching?

It feels like scouting their army with poking is always dangerous because they can flank/counter/catch my army, trade off and win with remax in 3 or 4 base situations. I usually play immortal/templar based midgames, after early pressure using either adepts or oracle.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-18 17:29:58
October 18 2019 17:28 GMT
#1465
On October 18 2019 18:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
I need help in pvz, especially in the scouting department. From watching Harstem on youtube, i know the number of geysirs zerg takes is very important to identifying an all-in. But what if they take full saturation and play macro with composition switching?

It feels like scouting their army with poking is always dangerous because they can flank/counter/catch my army, trade off and win with remax in 3 or 4 base situations. I usually play immortal/templar based midgames, after early pressure using either adepts or oracle.

most people make 2-3 oracles so that after harassing you can have energy for stasis, revelation and defensive DPS against allins. if there's no allin then use your oracles to constantly tag your opponent's army. if you just see a few roaches/lings and not much else then you already know he's teching into something like muta, lurkers, or fast hive for infestor/brood lord

the other main ways to scout are hallucinated phoenix (make sure you either use 2-3 hallucinations or micro them heavily so they don't die) or harass with prism + zealots and use the zealots to spot tech buildings
TL+ Member
DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
October 26 2019 02:15 GMT
#1466
What end game composition should I be aiming for against Zerg? I have been opening with the oracle pheonix into archon drop with speedlot, but I am having difficulties transitioning into an end game composition. I take storm and then pressure every base, but the zerg always manages to hold and it becomes a gglord infestor end game.
I tried transitioning into skytoss but it feels like I am building too tall, and zerg just attack all my bases, and when I mass zealot stalker the fungals shut me down
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
October 26 2019 02:29 GMT
#1467
You don't play for late game against Zerg. At all.
If you really want, then I guess archons + tempests + high templars + distruptors + maybe mothership (but I never find it worthy the price) and carriers is what you want to go for. And oracle or two for constant revelation. Maybe few leftover immortals/colossi (?) if you still have them. And zealots everywhere where zerg main army isn't.
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
ploist125
Profile Joined November 2019
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 18:51:29
November 05 2019 18:15 GMT
#1468
That being said gas steals aren't very common since it's really easy to keep them from happening and you need to send your probe very early, thus sacrificing economy, to have a chance to perform them... snaptube
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
November 25 2019 18:47 GMT
#1469
On October 26 2019 11:15 DanceSC wrote:
What end game composition should I be aiming for against Zerg? I have been opening with the oracle pheonix into archon drop with speedlot, but I am having difficulties transitioning into an end game composition. I take storm and then pressure every base, but the zerg always manages to hold and it becomes a gglord infestor end game.
I tried transitioning into skytoss but it feels like I am building too tall, and zerg just attack all my bases, and when I mass zealot stalker the fungals shut me down


Skip the archon drop, it's too slow. You either open phoenix/oracle or open archon drop. After that you should go for archon immortal chargelot and try to end the game
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
November 25 2019 21:42 GMT
#1470
How do I win with mass voidrays properly? I heard they will be xxx in the new patch. But I couldn't really manage to take games on the patch server which means I am bad.
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
Allred
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
November 27 2019 22:24 GMT
#1471
On November 26 2019 06:42 Kertorak wrote:
How do I win with mass voidrays properly? I heard they will be xxx in the new patch. But I couldn't really manage to take games on the patch server which means I am bad.



I have like a 90% win rate vs zerg right now cannon rush into 3 voidrays while getting a second base.
Depending on what i scout. I take an early third using the voids to defend. most common response is heavy hydras so I get a few carriers and get HT's behind it. Once you get about 4 carriers, and some HT, can start transitions back into voids and get a group of 5 or 6 and start roaming the map. depending on the creep spread, i work towards observer speed to take out creep tumors.
An expert is a man who tells you a simple thing in a confused way in such a fashion as to make you think the confusion is your own fault. ~William Castle
Allred
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
November 27 2019 23:54 GMT
#1472
of course i can't figure out what to do with all my extra minerals anymore since zealots don't actually do anything in pvt any more
An expert is a man who tells you a simple thing in a confused way in such a fashion as to make you think the confusion is your own fault. ~William Castle
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
November 28 2019 03:16 GMT
#1473
On November 28 2019 08:54 Allred wrote:
of course i can't figure out what to do with all my extra minerals anymore since zealots don't actually do anything in pvt any more


ye this patch is fucked for protoss. cant do gateway centric styles anymore.
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-04 18:46:31
December 04 2019 17:40 GMT
#1474
I only asked, no complaints.

Regarding the zealots, I think they are just different - speed is a much different unit than that op damage bonus. looking at speedlings. Not saying I can give you The strat. Artosis says speed is more powerful - in another way.
I see it is ewakining the deatballs of courrse.
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
Solio1
Profile Joined July 2019
26 Posts
December 05 2019 19:43 GMT
#1475
how to deal with mass voidrays in pvp ? what army composition should i make ? i tried zealots archons but i lost
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-07 15:50:43
December 07 2019 15:50 GMT
#1476
On December 06 2019 04:43 Solio1 wrote:
how to deal with mass voidrays in pvp ? what army composition should i make ? i tried zealots archons but i lost


Void rays are weak early on, so you can take fast expansions and gain an economical advantage. You can use this to hit a zealot/archon timing before the void rays get too high in numbers, or to tech up to carriers.

If you get to the point where there are mass void rays, you basically need your own air army. The ideal composition is probably mothership/carrier/archon
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
December 07 2019 18:20 GMT
#1477
a couple of psi storms are a good addition against mass void ray. void rays are extremely clumpy when attacking, so dropping continuous storms on them during a fight does an insane amount of DPS. you don't need too many storms, as you'll still need archons for anti air if you're using a ground army.
TL+ Member
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 19 2019 00:09 GMT
#1478
On December 08 2019 00:50 Arcanefrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2019 04:43 Solio1 wrote:
how to deal with mass voidrays in pvp ? what army composition should i make ? i tried zealots archons but i lost


Void rays are weak early on, so you can take fast expansions and gain an economical advantage. You can use this to hit a zealot/archon timing before the void rays get too high in numbers, or to tech up to carriers.

If you get to the point where there are mass void rays, you basically need your own air army. The ideal composition is probably mothership/carrier/archon


thanks
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 19 2019 00:15 GMT
#1479
How to defend a 12 pool but with a proxy hatchery that prevents you from walling, i have tried to chronoboost 2 zealots and pull 6 probes i'm able to barely win the fight but then more lings come and i die.

image of the zerg build : [image loading]

Should i try to build a wall behind the hatch or should i try to pull more probes ?
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 20 2019 19:18 GMT
#1480
does someone know how to defend this : https://drop.sc/replay/12658023 ?
Prev 1 72 73 74 75 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
PiGosaur Monday
00:00
#47
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech74
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 10380
Mind 353
Tasteless 277
Snow 245
ggaemo 162
sSak 155
yabsab 139
actioN 80
sorry 42
Aegong 38
[ Show more ]
Bale 8
Purpose 6
Icarus 5
League of Legends
C9.Mang0423
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv1549
Stewie2K658
Other Games
summit1g5900
shahzam729
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick570
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• OhrlRock 28
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush1215
• Stunt391
• HappyZerGling51
Upcoming Events
LiuLi Cup
4h 38m
Replay Cast
17h 38m
The PondCast
1d 3h
RSL Revival
1d 3h
Maru vs SHIN
MaNa vs MaxPax
Maestros of the Game
1d 10h
OSC
1d 20h
MaNa vs SHIN
SKillous vs ShoWTimE
Bunny vs TBD
Cham vs TBD
RSL Revival
2 days
Reynor vs Astrea
Classic vs sOs
Maestros of the Game
2 days
BSL Team Wars
2 days
Team Bonyth vs Team Dewalt
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
3 days
GuMiho vs Cham
ByuN vs TriGGeR
Cosmonarchy
3 days
TriGGeR vs YoungYakov
YoungYakov vs HonMonO
HonMonO vs TriGGeR
Maestros of the Game
3 days
[BSL 2025] Weekly
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Cure vs Bunny
Creator vs Zoun
Maestros of the Game
4 days
BSL Team Wars
4 days
Team Hawk vs Team Sziky
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 18: Qualifier 2
SEL Season 2 Championship
HCC Europe

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
Maestros of the Game
Sisters' Call Cup
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

LASL Season 20
2025 Chongqing Offline CUP
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
Chzzk MurlocKing SC1 vs SC2 Cup #2
RSL Revival: Season 2
EC S1
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
Skyesports Masters 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.