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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 06:06:23
August 25 2019 06:05 GMT
#1461
On August 25 2019 07:39 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 05:05 ZeKk84 wrote:
On August 23 2019 02:18 ArtyK wrote:


You want mass tempests and the key is to save recalls to teleport away whenever they try to jump on you. Other than that just keep chipping away at one BC at a time with superior range.



A good terran will making thors with high impact load to counter tempest. Then it all get alot more complicated. Usually terran has a mix of the 2 and tanks, and other things. I dont know how to deal with mech and especially this type.



Have some immortals below then

edit : wth is wrong with quotes


You accidentally deleted one of the [s so it broke the HTML
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ArtyK
Profile Joined June 2011
France3144 Posts
August 25 2019 09:44 GMT
#1462
On August 25 2019 15:05 Olli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 07:39 ArtyK wrote:
On August 25 2019 05:05 ZeKk84 wrote:
On August 23 2019 02:18 ArtyK wrote:


You want mass tempests and the key is to save recalls to teleport away whenever they try to jump on you. Other than that just keep chipping away at one BC at a time with superior range.



A good terran will making thors with high impact load to counter tempest. Then it all get alot more complicated. Usually terran has a mix of the 2 and tanks, and other things. I dont know how to deal with mech and especially this type.



Have some immortals below then

edit : wth is wrong with quotes


You accidentally deleted one of the [s so it broke the HTML


Nope, I simply clicked on quote as usual. I wouldn't even have asked if it didn't happen to the person right before me too ^^
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-08-25 12:33:26
August 25 2019 12:32 GMT
#1463
On August 25 2019 18:44 ArtyK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 25 2019 15:05 Olli wrote:
On August 25 2019 07:39 ArtyK wrote:
On August 25 2019 05:05 ZeKk84 wrote:
On August 23 2019 02:18 ArtyK wrote:


You want mass tempests and the key is to save recalls to teleport away whenever they try to jump on you. Other than that just keep chipping away at one BC at a time with superior range.



A good terran will making thors with high impact load to counter tempest. Then it all get alot more complicated. Usually terran has a mix of the 2 and tanks, and other things. I dont know how to deal with mech and especially this type.



Have some immortals below then

edit : wth is wrong with quotes


You accidentally deleted one of the [s so it broke the HTML


Nope, I simply clicked on quote as usual. I wouldn't even have asked if it didn't happen to the person right before me too ^^


Ah, then it's because you quoted their broken post (missing a [ )! I've fixed both now.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Branch.AUT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Austria853 Posts
October 18 2019 09:16 GMT
#1464
I need help in pvz, especially in the scouting department. From watching Harstem on youtube, i know the number of geysirs zerg takes is very important to identifying an all-in. But what if they take full saturation and play macro with composition switching?

It feels like scouting their army with poking is always dangerous because they can flank/counter/catch my army, trade off and win with remax in 3 or 4 base situations. I usually play immortal/templar based midgames, after early pressure using either adepts or oracle.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-10-18 17:29:58
October 18 2019 17:28 GMT
#1465
On October 18 2019 18:16 Branch.AUT wrote:
I need help in pvz, especially in the scouting department. From watching Harstem on youtube, i know the number of geysirs zerg takes is very important to identifying an all-in. But what if they take full saturation and play macro with composition switching?

It feels like scouting their army with poking is always dangerous because they can flank/counter/catch my army, trade off and win with remax in 3 or 4 base situations. I usually play immortal/templar based midgames, after early pressure using either adepts or oracle.

most people make 2-3 oracles so that after harassing you can have energy for stasis, revelation and defensive DPS against allins. if there's no allin then use your oracles to constantly tag your opponent's army. if you just see a few roaches/lings and not much else then you already know he's teching into something like muta, lurkers, or fast hive for infestor/brood lord

the other main ways to scout are hallucinated phoenix (make sure you either use 2-3 hallucinations or micro them heavily so they don't die) or harass with prism + zealots and use the zealots to spot tech buildings
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DanceSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States751 Posts
October 26 2019 02:15 GMT
#1466
What end game composition should I be aiming for against Zerg? I have been opening with the oracle pheonix into archon drop with speedlot, but I am having difficulties transitioning into an end game composition. I take storm and then pressure every base, but the zerg always manages to hold and it becomes a gglord infestor end game.
I tried transitioning into skytoss but it feels like I am building too tall, and zerg just attack all my bases, and when I mass zealot stalker the fungals shut me down
Dance.943 || "I think he's just going to lose. There's only so many ways you can lose. And he's going to make some kind of units. And I'm going to attack him, and then all his stuff is going to die. That's about the best prediction that I can make" - NonY
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
October 26 2019 02:29 GMT
#1467
You don't play for late game against Zerg. At all.
If you really want, then I guess archons + tempests + high templars + distruptors + maybe mothership (but I never find it worthy the price) and carriers is what you want to go for. And oracle or two for constant revelation. Maybe few leftover immortals/colossi (?) if you still have them. And zealots everywhere where zerg main army isn't.
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ploist125
Profile Joined November 2019
3 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-11-06 18:51:29
November 05 2019 18:15 GMT
#1468
That being said gas steals aren't very common since it's really easy to keep them from happening and you need to send your probe very early, thus sacrificing economy, to have a chance to perform them... snaptube
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
November 25 2019 18:47 GMT
#1469
On October 26 2019 11:15 DanceSC wrote:
What end game composition should I be aiming for against Zerg? I have been opening with the oracle pheonix into archon drop with speedlot, but I am having difficulties transitioning into an end game composition. I take storm and then pressure every base, but the zerg always manages to hold and it becomes a gglord infestor end game.
I tried transitioning into skytoss but it feels like I am building too tall, and zerg just attack all my bases, and when I mass zealot stalker the fungals shut me down


Skip the archon drop, it's too slow. You either open phoenix/oracle or open archon drop. After that you should go for archon immortal chargelot and try to end the game
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
November 25 2019 21:42 GMT
#1470
How do I win with mass voidrays properly? I heard they will be xxx in the new patch. But I couldn't really manage to take games on the patch server which means I am bad.
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
Allred
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
November 27 2019 22:24 GMT
#1471
On November 26 2019 06:42 Kertorak wrote:
How do I win with mass voidrays properly? I heard they will be xxx in the new patch. But I couldn't really manage to take games on the patch server which means I am bad.



I have like a 90% win rate vs zerg right now cannon rush into 3 voidrays while getting a second base.
Depending on what i scout. I take an early third using the voids to defend. most common response is heavy hydras so I get a few carriers and get HT's behind it. Once you get about 4 carriers, and some HT, can start transitions back into voids and get a group of 5 or 6 and start roaming the map. depending on the creep spread, i work towards observer speed to take out creep tumors.
An expert is a man who tells you a simple thing in a confused way in such a fashion as to make you think the confusion is your own fault. ~William Castle
Allred
Profile Joined November 2010
United States352 Posts
November 27 2019 23:54 GMT
#1472
of course i can't figure out what to do with all my extra minerals anymore since zealots don't actually do anything in pvt any more
An expert is a man who tells you a simple thing in a confused way in such a fashion as to make you think the confusion is your own fault. ~William Castle
Obamarauder
Profile Joined June 2015
697 Posts
November 28 2019 03:16 GMT
#1473
On November 28 2019 08:54 Allred wrote:
of course i can't figure out what to do with all my extra minerals anymore since zealots don't actually do anything in pvt any more


ye this patch is fucked for protoss. cant do gateway centric styles anymore.
Kertorak
Profile Joined November 2019
125 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-04 18:46:31
December 04 2019 17:40 GMT
#1474
I only asked, no complaints.

Regarding the zealots, I think they are just different - speed is a much different unit than that op damage bonus. looking at speedlings. Not saying I can give you The strat. Artosis says speed is more powerful - in another way.
I see it is ewakining the deatballs of courrse.
I wish I had quality over quantity | "The point of Sc<x> is that your skill a constant WIP - which provides that unique joy of the game - not to post which rank you are in a this moment"
Solio1
Profile Joined July 2019
26 Posts
December 05 2019 19:43 GMT
#1475
how to deal with mass voidrays in pvp ? what army composition should i make ? i tried zealots archons but i lost
Arcanefrost
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium1257 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-12-07 15:50:43
December 07 2019 15:50 GMT
#1476
On December 06 2019 04:43 Solio1 wrote:
how to deal with mass voidrays in pvp ? what army composition should i make ? i tried zealots archons but i lost


Void rays are weak early on, so you can take fast expansions and gain an economical advantage. You can use this to hit a zealot/archon timing before the void rays get too high in numbers, or to tech up to carriers.

If you get to the point where there are mass void rays, you basically need your own air army. The ideal composition is probably mothership/carrier/archon
Valor is a poor substitute for numbers.
brickrd
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States4894 Posts
December 07 2019 18:20 GMT
#1477
a couple of psi storms are a good addition against mass void ray. void rays are extremely clumpy when attacking, so dropping continuous storms on them during a fight does an insane amount of DPS. you don't need too many storms, as you'll still need archons for anti air if you're using a ground army.
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Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 19 2019 00:09 GMT
#1478
On December 08 2019 00:50 Arcanefrost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2019 04:43 Solio1 wrote:
how to deal with mass voidrays in pvp ? what army composition should i make ? i tried zealots archons but i lost


Void rays are weak early on, so you can take fast expansions and gain an economical advantage. You can use this to hit a zealot/archon timing before the void rays get too high in numbers, or to tech up to carriers.

If you get to the point where there are mass void rays, you basically need your own air army. The ideal composition is probably mothership/carrier/archon


thanks
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 19 2019 00:15 GMT
#1479
How to defend a 12 pool but with a proxy hatchery that prevents you from walling, i have tried to chronoboost 2 zealots and pull 6 probes i'm able to barely win the fight but then more lings come and i die.

image of the zerg build : [image loading]

Should i try to build a wall behind the hatch or should i try to pull more probes ?
Solio
Profile Joined June 2016
France145 Posts
December 20 2019 19:18 GMT
#1480
does someone know how to defend this : https://drop.sc/replay/12658023 ?
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